Shadow's Vault

I'm torn here.

As I was expressing to RV on IRC a week or so back, there is a large part of me that wants to see a competent opposition arise because, frankly, that simply will make things more fun. It is pretty clear to everyone that threads like these along with the rest of the verbal diarrhea that you and your small group of 5 or 6 others relentlessly spew upon every topic hinders the formation of any meaningful opposition because of the fact that it repels the people with the necessary mental aptitude from your cause. Therefore, every time you do stuff like this it lessens the chance of anything meaningful that will generate some fun from happening.

On the other hand, I really do enjoy you making yourself look more and more ridiculous (something you have been doing pretty regularly lately).

VE Lawl-yer and Chief Clowncil Impero jumps on the case

Also, I would prefer if you don't bring my ooc onto these forums, however cutesy you put it.

You may or may not have been humbled. I'd say a rational person would have been humbled by being shown to have no discernible leadership ability, no political sense, no idea how the mechanics of the game or the treaty web work. But on top of that, and most significantly, they would have been humbled by being a person who rails on and on about 'atrocities' like forced disbandment and excessive reps, derides those with 'flimsy' CBs as fabricators, and implies that dirty tricks like entrapment to draw enemies into trapdoors are specifically tools of the other side, when in reality none on that other side actually do any of those things, all things you yourself, in the comfort of #stratego, show yourself to be a proponent of.

You may not be humbled, more like exposed. I will continue doing what I am doing, and myself and those I work with will have a great time doing it. You will either continue doing what you are doing, or fade into the oblivion that your relevancy suits you to, but you'll have to live with the fact that you have been shown to be among the least competent CN'ers in the cesspool of ineptitude that #stratego was. It is funny to me, because your irrational hate of VE, which infiltrates your every post, isn't even what you are most known for to us now. No longer will people think of Schattenmann, Voxian. Nor will they think of Schattenmann, clever and classy writer of TWiP. No, they will think of Schattenmann, the worst leader of the worst attempt at a coalition this game may have ever, or may will ever see in anyone's lifetime.

Ride us all you want, but VE is here, and we mean a lot of good things to a lot of good people. You, on the other hand, are nothing. You aren't honest, you aren't competent, you aren't a friend, you aren't even an enemy. You are just irrelevant. Thank goodness you keep posting amazingly incorrigible things like this to keep reminding me that someone like you does exist, and that my laughs for the day will always be guaranteed when I see an alert saying "Schattenmann has quoted a post you made".

I should totally make more posts so I can get noticed and put into a Schatt blog!

VE should have stayed disbanded.

I guess that statement applies to quite a few alliances, however.

[Warning: the following will completely be OOC]

Honestly, I thought that Goldie's post would have been recognized as a clear joke by almost anybody that has a clue about CN politics, the UJA or the OWF.

On the other hand I am fine with My Dear Shantamantan constantly and consistently putting forth his anti-VE agenda but - as with everybody else - I'd prefer that his IC conflicts remained confined in IC places. In fact I warmly thank him for having posted this blog entry, thus removing that issue from Patjenn's thread.

What I don't get is why you all people can't recognize the value of each other and just play fair from that premise.

Schattenmann is one of the best writers of CN. He has a long, intricated and mostly transparent (after the facts) history that is a pleasure to read about and to think/comment on. If I was in VE I'd probably IC-ly verbally fight him each day I could find the time for it, but OOC-ly I'd be happy that he chose to target VE in his latest "crusade", as he always played an interesting and legitimate game.

Likewise, VE is one of the oldest prominent alliances and it reached a position of prevalence by skilled, legitimate playing, in the meanwhile creating a notable community. Goldie and Impero are experienced "politicians" which - like Shatt - always played an interesting and fair game. If I was in Shattenmann's shoes I'd probably be glad that such quality players accepted my challenge.

The situation has a great potential to be fun for everybody: you all just have to keep the "political" confrontation where it belongs and to recognize and appreciate each other's value as an opponent.

What you seem to do is instead to try to blindly exploit each remotely suitable occasion to try smear each other, continuing to repeat that your opponent is dumb/incompetent/etc. The outcome is just repetitive and boring and in fact I doubt that you find much fun in it either.

IMHO it was a bad idea to start with that attitude, it was a worse idea to continue with it until now and finally it won't be clever to insist with it in the future.

Then again as I said at the beginning I'm not really getting why intelligent people can indulge in this behaviour. Maybe the mistake is mine that I don't see some obvious reason for it... If that's the case please just explain.

(Side note: I call Shattenman "My Dear Shantamantan" with the greatest affection, and he knows it.)

Most anyone with a clue (which is probably about ten people) has known for a long time that VE doesn't understand it when the other side makes jokes.

VE always gets our jokes.

Damn, a whole post dedicated to VE hate and nary a mention.

Does this whole thing really come from one failure to notice a joke on each side? Really? That was worth a blog entry?

VE always gets our jokes.

Sardonic: "Schattenmann"

VE: "I get it!"

Last night a Justitian noted PatJenn had deleted and GPA had opened a thread, and "VE has hijacked it."

The leader of an alliance with 2 optional military treaties--creates a channel to discuss the possibility of going to war, and 16 alliances show up for the party.

I am going to have to disagree you strongly on this one. The insinuation that these alliances turned up to help you in your war is false. The people taking the charge in that room were far too eager to invite alliances to their cause. After the logs were released, I was a good MOFA and talked to two of the people in there who were treatied to MCXA. They weren't in the channel because they wanted to help your coalition. They were in there just to see what was going on. If the only two people I asked about the logs said that, its likely good deal many more had the same reasoning to be in that war room.

Goldie, if you think the "WCE" is what will define Schatt from this point on, you're mistaken. Of course his enemies will want to point it out constantly, but more moderate people (I'm meaning actual moderates and not his political allies) will not dwell on one point. It takes a lot more than one failed venture to kill a strong personality. So far, I'd say Schatt has far more successes than he does failures.

Goldie, if you think the "WCE" is what will define Schatt from this point on, you're mistaken. Of course his enemies will want to point it out constantly, but more moderate people (I'm meaning actual moderates and not his political allies) will not dwell on one point. It takes a lot more than one failed venture to kill a strong personality. So far, I'd say Schatt has far more successes than he does failures.

I think you hit it on the head, in that there are people out there who will not define Schatt by the hypocrisy he displayed in his failure during WCE, but I would point out that the majority of the world will see the name and associate it with failure. It is easy to be forgotten for your successes but difficult to be absolved of your failures, fair or not.

I don't need to be subjective about Schatt politically, because it is so easy to objectively see what he has become, and that is someone who has totally lost his touch in this game. This isn't the Schatt who wrote TWiP, this is the Schatt who can't distinguish misinformation from information, who refuses to bring logic into his arguments but still insists on making them, and who has failed miserably in his first attempt to do anything tangible in CN, like lead a group of alliances toward a common goal.

So the first coalition to form to oppose the current power structure has failed. Big whoop. How many failed coalitions were there to try and take down the NPO? I'm sure more than a few. People just didn't get together on the first go round, no, they had talked about it before, and tried to organize something, but it never took off. That's what happened with the "WCE." The only difference is those failed anti-NPO coalitions didn't get plastered all over this forum. And people know that.

Well I think that most of what I wanted to say has already been said, so I won't rehash any of that, but I do have one important thing to add.

Schatt. Buddy. I'm not really sure how to break this to you, but here goes... you aren't funny.

Now I'm not sure if humor is something new to you, or maybe you were funny at one point but you're out of good material, but regardless it's downright painful to see what you're doing now. It hurts me to say something like that to such a close friend, but someone had to tell you.

You really should probably step back and take a good hard look at your sense of humor, and try to see the truth. It's for your own good. And ours. Okay actually mostly hours. It's just that painful.

Sorry, Ktar, next time I'll include beards, black people jokes, and sexual innuendo to appeal to the goons in my readership.

Sorry, Ktar, next time I'll include beards, black people jokes, and sexual innuendo to appeal to the goons in my readership.

No... no... I'm not sure you are ready for such advanced jocularity. I think the best thing to do would be to simply stop all attempts at being funny altogether. As your posts are, on average, negatively funny, by not including any jokes at all your posting would actually have a net positive funny gain.

Once you get a handle on not being heroically bad at humour, then we can start talking you through some basic japing exercises.

Schatt if you ever wanna rouge VE for the hell of it i'm down.

To be honest, this love affair brings out the worst in both of you. You should consider getting married, and then you can bicker in private.

@Bob There are much worse blogs about worse things. Take mine for example. The only good blogs I've seen are from Dac and MrCyber.

Letum and Jerdge are right, to be honest. VE is clumsy when they reply to Schatt and VE doesn't do enough to really complain about.

Schatt, you need to write more, I'm down with whatever.

So here's the problem with the idea that I have been magically humbled: Schattenmann--the leader of an alliance with 2 optional military treaties--creates a channel to discuss the possibility of going to war, and 16 alliances show up for the party. Oh, yeah, I am sooooooo mortified and humbled.

To be fair, when the alliances that show up are UPN, DF, Invicta and NSO that's not really a good thing.

Really Schatt, lay off VE why don't you go back to posting enormous diatribes about us instead.

To be fair, when the alliances that show up are UPN, DF, Invicta and NSO that's not really a good thing.

And Sparta, Polaris, STA, NoR....

Schatt if you ever wanna rouge VE for the hell of it i'm down.

We're quite happy being green jorjor.