And Then There Was Silence...

[Auctor]

[quote name='Ian Dox' timestamp='1297202035' post='2626058']
Far be it for me to interject my opinion, but I feel that I must. A snipe fest between allies, gov or non-gov, is best behind closed doors, ie IRC or your own forums.

All this does is feed the peanut gallery and gives ammo to those who's only goal is to stir the pot. This just leads to hurt feelings and doesn't generally do either of you any good.

I'm just saying...
[/quote]

Honestly, after the war we just had, taking a Spartan's advice on anything isn't what any of us will be in the mood for for a very long time. Thanks though

[Ian Dox]

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297202183' post='2626064']
Honestly, after the war we just had, taking a Spartan's advice on anything isn't what any of us will be in the mood for for a very long time. Thanks though
[/quote]

By all means then, please continue.

[obscurus]

I don't believe Bower's name is Richard

[Burnsey]

[quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1297201326' post='2626050']
Well I can't really speak as to why CD didn't know about the peace terms, but I feel like that is really a side issue in their whole argument. To me it seems like CD felt that the AZTEC alliances made it seem like their front would be of a longer duration when in fact it has ended after only a short time, leaving CD's other allies who are involved within a seemingly long term war where CD could have been better able to help.
[/quote]
You're right, that really isn't what they are arguing about. It's a shame CD feels that way, as I said, I have much respect for them, always have and always will. The situation is rather unfortunate though.

[Walker Texas Ranger]

[quote name='darkfox' timestamp='1297179907' post='2625727']
So you are saying WAPA would leave you in the war had you not signed? Did you guys not do any protests? Hell did you guys even bother talking to the other alliances on your side involved in this [s]surrender[/s] peace?

AZTEC, NATO and TFD entered to get Sparta off NV's back. Sparta backed off. I don't see why CD is so angry. AZTEC and Co accomplished their goal and you guys can bow out gracefully with a couple scratches and are ready to help any ally who needs it. Yet here you are whining and complaining about not being able to fight longer. Or are you guys just mad that you weren't included more?
[/quote]

We accomplished our goal in entering this war. WAPA is safe. We've honored our treaty. That's not the issue. Our issue with the terms also does not stem from a mere wish to keep fighting.

We were told we were needed for a war that, very likely, would go on for several weeks at minimum (Also explaining why we kept a 2nd wave ready in peace mode). Suddenly, terms were written up and we were not included at the negotiating table. The terms were presented to us, what choice did we have?

The problem is, we CAN'T help an ally. Because AZTEC's leadership agreed to only allow defense attacks against DoW's that are post-treaty, we've effectively neutered our fighting ability. MHA and Friends don't have to follow that term. Why is that? Who thought that was an awesome idea? Our terms are selfish, that's what they are. We're safe, but our other allies are screwed.

Option 1: We refuse to sign. That leads to two possible outcomes. Either the other alliances declare peace and we're left fighting on our lonesome. Or the other alliances are forced to continue to fight. I'm not sure why our leader signed the terms, nor do I know if our concerns were voiced to AZTEC's leadership about the terms. What really bothers me is that AZTEC would accept a surrender in the first place. A white peace would have been equitable. This? This is allowing Sparta and MHA to saddle us and say "Giddy-up."

Option 2: We sign. Which we did. We accomplish our objective of defending WAPA and the rest of AZTEC can get some respite (I realize several of their alliances were being hit very hard). However, as Cairna said, this was a choice between castration and suicide. By signing this agreement, we've certainly protected our own (And AZTEC's) interests, while ignoring the war as a whole.

[Bower3aj]

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297199180' post='2626018']
you're a dick and that's the kind of attitude that I wouldn't mind getting my ass rolled to watch you have rearranged.
[/quote]

I'm no dick. I'm just honest. I've played the role of the fringe group. Just because I'm willing to call a spade a spade doesn't make me a dick. You, Auctor, should know better. I'm not trying to make friends out here. I openly protest actions within and outside my alliance. I have the friends I need. People who have stood the test of time. I counted you among those. Having you wish my "attitude" get rearranged is no good feeling. But it doesn't matter. I did what I told CD to do. I opened this thread with my thoughts on this peace and left it at that, only responding the the sheer ridiculousness of CDs posts. If they don't like what happened then they can work it out with their friends. They just sound foolish out here with their constant complaining. So call me a dick. I can take that. I certainly don't care what the masses think of me. I fight for my alliance. I wish I could have fought some more. But I'm not going to keep throwing feces about it.

[Auctor]

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297204207' post='2626084']
I'm no dick. I'm just honest. I've played the role of the fringe group. Just because I'm willing to call a spade a spade doesn't make me a dick. You, Auctor, should know better. I'm not trying to make friends out here. I openly protest actions within and outside my alliance. I have the friends I need. People who have stood the test of time. I counted you among those. Having you wish my "attitude" get rearranged is no good feeling. But it doesn't matter. I did what I told CD to do. I opened this thread with my thoughts on this peace and left it at that, only responding the the sheer ridiculousness of CDs posts. If they don't like what happened then they can work it out with their friends. They just sound foolish out here with their constant complaining. So call me a dick. I can take that. I certainly don't care what the masses think of me. I fight for my alliance. I wish I could have fought some more. But I'm not going to keep throwing feces about it.
[/quote]

I think you can appreciate that I approach you with the same honesty. I called it like I saw it and my judgment stands. Calling them out on what they're saying here is great and all, but trivializing their contributions to the front(a front you weren't on, I may add) to get at them for what they say here makes you pretty much the definition of a dick.

Considering your previous whining in this thread, it's hard to see where you have much room to call others out.

[Walker Texas Ranger]

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297204207' post='2626084']
I'm no dick. I'm just honest. I've played the role of the fringe group. Just because I'm willing to call a spade a spade doesn't make me a dick. You, Auctor, should know better. I'm not trying to make friends out here. I openly protest actions within and outside my alliance. I have the friends I need. People who have stood the test of time. I counted you among those. Having you wish my "attitude" get rearranged is no good feeling. But it doesn't matter. I did what I told CD to do. I opened this thread with my thoughts on this peace and left it at that, only responding the the sheer ridiculousness of CDs posts. If they don't like what happened then they can work it out with their friends. They just sound foolish out here with their constant complaining. So call me a dick. I can take that. I certainly don't care what the masses think of me. I fight for my alliance. I wish I could have fought some more. But I'm not going to keep throwing feces about it.
[/quote]

I'm not going to go as far as Auctor and call you a dick, but what you said was in extremely poor form.

WAPA has proven itself to be a wonderful ally. However, your attitude leads me to believe GLOF doesn't give two-!@#$% about anyone smaller than them. I hope your allies take note of this.

Edited February 8, 2011 by Walker Texas Ranger

[KainIIIC]

[quote name='Burnsey' timestamp='1297203697' post='2626079']
You're right, that really isn't what they are arguing about. It's a shame CD feels that way, as I said, I have much respect for them, always have and always will. The situation is rather unfortunate though.
[/quote]

<3 Colossus, CD and Auctor's [s]tro[/s]witty remarks.

[NewPoseidon]

Honestly I was hoping Sparta would get NV to back off our goods friends in WF. But make no mistake this is a victory, as you've managed to neutralize a big chunk of the world here. Have fun cleanin' up all those dead zerglings around your base. I suggest a degreaser/antibacterial mix and rubber gloves.

I sure hope this isn't the end for your warring. Helping your friends in Umbrella would prove once and for all that Sparta can take a hit and keep going. Take a well-deserved breather and hop back in. I know you want to. You know you want to. [i]Admit it[/i].

[Mayzie]

[quote name='Walker Texas Ranger' timestamp='1297203935' post='2626082']
We were told we were needed for a war that, very likely, would go on for several weeks at minimum (Also explaining why we kept a 2nd wave ready in peace mode). Suddenly, terms were written up and we were not included at the negotiating table. The terms were presented to us, what choice did we have?[/quote]

Seriously now, who told you and who knew exactly how long the war would last? I'm sick of hearing this line of argument, it's really beginning to piss me off. I wish someone would've told me how long the war would last, I'd have goaded more MHA members into attacking me.

No, you didn't have a second wave, you had your middle & top tier in peacemode for the NPO-DH front, so no that doesn't 'also explain why you kept a second wave in peacemode', every nation ranked in the top two thirds of your alliance does not constitute a second wave.

If WAPA knew that we'd all be peacing out less than a week after you entered, they'd have never asked you to enter in the first place. The situation is unfortunate but not exactly something that they could've known, so quit the bawwing all over the OWF, it's getting !@#$@#$ ridiculous now.

[Bower3aj]

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297204457' post='2626085']
I think you can appreciate that I approach you with the same honesty. I called it like I saw it and my judgment stands. Calling them out on what they're saying here is great and all, but trivializing their contributions to the front(a front you weren't on, I may add) to get at them for what they say here makes you pretty much the definition of a dick.

Considering your previous whining in this thread, it's hard to see where you have much room to call others out.
[/quote]

Fair enough. I appreciate your honesty. And it's not my fault I wasn't on their front. I prepared myself to get hit my MHA. MHA made the decision to not fight us for whatever their reasons were (though I have some pretty good guesses). I would have loved to fight on their front. No doubt MHA is bigger than Darkfall and AO, but I would have gladly fought them instead. Or I would have loved to fight all 3. No problem. More targets for me. But no, I do not trivialize their contributions. I don't know what they are. I only learned of their PM blitz from this thread. They were fighting an alliance I was not, my focus was on my wars and my alliance. I say they were on the fringe of the war. They were not in the middle. In the grand scheme of the VE-NpO war, we were fringe fighters too. But since our war was truly a Sparta-NV war (since Sparta had no CB tied to the VE-NpO war) we were the second line, they were the third. The third line is still important, but when peace is being negotiated for the front line, the third gets less consideration. It is their job to keep themselves in the loop. Again, I've done that before, back in Karma. I had to keep the Lodge in the loop because if I didn't make efforts to stay up to date we would have known nothing. That's what I criticize. They should know that they're on the fringe. The guys in the middle have to deal with a multitude of alliances. Again, they can't hold the hands of every alliance that's a friend of a friend. Now, I like CD even less after they tried to make a mockery of the Lodge's name and attacked my, and your, bloc on the OWF. Now tell me, who really trivialized whose contributions? Let's take a look
[quote name='Cairna' timestamp='1297133524' post='2625004']
Next time you go to war AZTEC don't wuss out right after we get involved.
[/quote]
[quote name='Cairna' timestamp='1297139698' post='2625195']
Though, understandably someone from the Grand Lodge of Weemasons might not quite pick up on these sort of political overtures.
[/quote]
Can I note again that the second quote was in response to something said by a member of Darkfall? An alliance that CD did not engage. So who is really trivializing whose front?

Besides Auctor, I reserve my whining for a comment early about the peace and then about how much CD apparently hates my bloc and my alliance. That means they hate you too bro. You're in AZTEC and not in WAPA. That makes you a coward don't ya know?



[quote name='Walker Texas Ranger' timestamp='1297204773' post='2626088']
I'm not going to go as far as Auctor and call you a dick, but what you said was in extremely poor form.

WAPA has proven itself to be a wonderful ally. However, your attitude leads me to believe GLOF doesn't give two-!@#$% about anyone smaller than them. I hope your allies take note of this.
[/quote]

Oh I care greatly for the little guys. The Lodge was just a little guy when I joined. In current times it would have been a protectorate (heck, back then it would have been if we hadn't decided that we were not interested in such things). 1TF (now Colossus) was one of my favorite alliances starting out because of people like Auctor and Mayzie. I loved getting to know Bushido(now disbanded) when we became friends. I (and the rest of the Lodge) thoroughly enjoyed getting to meet Darkfall through this war. And trust me they are much smaller than you. The problem isn't not caring about the smaller alliances. It's about smaller alliances knowing that they're smaller and accepting that. I doubt AO or Darkfall were making the demands on their side. Not because their side didn't respect them, but because the larger alliances have more people to look after, and can, in fact, help the smaller alliances more after the war is over.

Also, I hope your allies take note of your alliance's behavior in their own peace thread. Bashing peace after the fact for your own alliance is what I would call poor form. Also, bashing your allies Bloc is poor form. Finally, specifically bashing your allies allies (who have a higher level treaty with them) is poor form. I wouldn't have said a thing about CD in this thread if CD did not attack my alliance and my allies first.

[Derka Derek]

Wow these threads really go fast...

Peace isn't a bad thing, it was incredibly fun fighting the members of AB, NV, and GLoF, I look forward to next time.

o/ Sparta
o/ MHA
o/ Argent
o/ Fark
o/ AB
o/ everyone else I'm sorry I'm not going back to the first page again to look but thank you!

Edited February 8, 2011 by Derka Derek

[Uncle B]

[quote name='NewPoseidon' timestamp='1297206109' post='2626106']
Honestly I was hoping Sparta would get NV to back off our goods friends in WF. But make no mistake this is a victory, as you've managed to neutralize a big chunk of the world here. Have fun cleanin' up all those dead zerglings around your base. I suggest a degreaser/antibacterial mix and rubber gloves.

I sure hope this isn't the end for your warring. Helping your friends in Umbrella would prove once and for all that Sparta can take a hit and keep going. Take a well-deserved breather and hop back in. I know you want to. You know you want to. [i]Admit it[/i].
[/quote]

I am assuming this is sarcastic being Sparta has proven once again that they suck at war, and so I have no idea why they would wish to get involved in another front to help out their allies enemies by giving them free tech etc (Unless its another cunning plan to pull in their unengaged allies again).

Also woo peace, boo to non-engagement term (personally would of prefered one that said they wouldn't engage our allies again).

As always these are my own personal views and do not represent the views of my alliance or anyone else.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Uncle B

[Auctor]

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297208522' post='2626147']
Fair enough. I appreciate your honesty. And it's not my fault I wasn't on their front. I prepared myself to get hit my MHA. MHA made the decision to not fight us for whatever their reasons were (though I have some pretty good guesses). I would have loved to fight on their front. No doubt MHA is bigger than Darkfall and AO, but I would have gladly fought them instead. Or I would have loved to fight all 3. No problem. More targets for me. But no, I do not trivialize their contributions. I don't know what they are. I only learned of their PM blitz from this thread. They were fighting an alliance I was not, my focus was on my wars and my alliance. I say they were on the fringe of the war. They were not in the middle. In the grand scheme of the VE-NpO war, we were fringe fighters too. But since our war was truly a Sparta-NV war (since Sparta had no CB tied to the VE-NpO war) we were the second line, they were the third. The third line is still important, but when peace is being negotiated for the front line, the third gets less consideration. It is their job to keep themselves in the loop. Again, I've done that before, back in Karma. I had to keep the Lodge in the loop because if I didn't make efforts to stay up to date we would have known nothing. That's what I criticize. They should know that they're on the fringe. The guys in the middle have to deal with a multitude of alliances. Again, they can't hold the hands of every alliance that's a friend of a friend. Now, I like CD even less after they tried to make a mockery of the Lodge's name and attacked my, and your, bloc on the OWF. Now tell me, who really trivialized whose contributions? Let's take a look[/quote]

First off, I'm sure you made every effort you possibly could to take on absolutely everyone by yourself. I applaud you for that and have no complaints about your battlefield conduct. Regardless of the intention here and wholly aside from what I think about CD's OWF conduct in this thread, they did get screwed over by this peace. They missed out on an opportunity to be able to defend their other allies in a way that they saw fit, and tbqh I think everyone shares a little blame here for that. CD didn't stay in the loop, sure, but I find it unfortunate and disappointing that they weren't able to have been kept abreast of what was going on. From what I know, peace was being talked about before they even entered the theater. Why didn't they know? I don't think they're acting dumb now and knew then, I think they were genuinely miscommunicated to and I can understand why they'd be disappointed about that.


[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297208522' post='2626147']Can I note again that the second quote was in response to something said by a member of Darkfall? An alliance that CD did not engage. So who is really trivializing whose front? [/quote]

boo hoo, they said something about a 14 man AA and you're complaining about how they took on the biggest alliance in the game. Aside from two people being stupid doesn't make a genius, just the scale here should give you an indication that that's a weak argument.

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297208522' post='2626147']Besides Auctor, I reserve my whining for a comment early about the peace and then about how much CD apparently hates my bloc and my alliance. That means they hate you too bro. You're in AZTEC and not in WAPA. That makes you a coward don't ya know?[/quote]

You complained about the exact same thing they did, then turned around and changed your mind once you saw other people calling you names. Bravo.

I'll allow CD to make their own judgments about me for themselves and don't think you need to resort to putting words in their mouths for the sake of hyperbole.

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297208522' post='2626147']Oh I care greatly for the little guys. The Lodge was just a little guy when I joined. In current times it would have been a protectorate (heck, back then it would have been if we hadn't decided that we were not interested in such things). 1TF (now Colossus) was one of my favorite alliances starting out because of people like Auctor and Mayzie. I loved getting to know Bushido(now disbanded) when we became friends. I (and the rest of the Lodge) thoroughly enjoyed getting to meet Darkfall through this war. And trust me they are much smaller than you. The problem isn't not caring about the smaller alliances. It's about smaller alliances knowing that they're smaller and accepting that. I doubt AO or Darkfall were making the demands on their side. Not because their side didn't respect them, but because the larger alliances have more people to look after, and can, in fact, help the smaller alliances more after the war is over. [/quote]

Honestly dude, your whole rant came off as massive disrespect for anyone who wasn't a member of AZTEC and were therefore "little people" in your eyes. You might not be here to make friends, but you are definitely representing your alliance about as well as CD has represented itself in this thread.

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297208522' post='2626147']Also, I hope your allies take note of your alliance's behavior in their own peace thread. Bashing peace after the fact for your own alliance is what I would call poor form. Also, bashing your allies Bloc is poor form. Finally, specifically bashing your allies allies (who have a higher level treaty with them) is poor form. I wouldn't have said a thing about CD in this thread if CD did not attack my alliance and my allies first.
[/quote]

I don't even know what to make of this statement, it comes off as a childish "you shouldn't do what I just did but only did because you just did what I shouldn't have done" statement and doesn't adhere to any mature logic I'm aware of.

Look, as far as I'm concerned, this issue should have been closed with Bionic Redhead's post. If you want to keep wallowing in it, by all means, go for it; but don't expect that to paint you in a good light.

[King Louis the II]

[quote name='Uncle B' timestamp='1297208917' post='2626153']
I am assuming this is sarcastic being Sparta has proven once again that they suck at war, and so I have no idea why they would wish to get involved in another front to help out their allies enemies by giving them free tech etc (Unless its another cunning plan to pull in their unengaged allies again).

Also woo peace, boo to non-engagement term (personally would of prefered one that said they wouldn't engage our allies again).
[/quote]

If this is what you think you are in the wrong alliance dude. As MHA and Sparta have been brothers for while.

[NewPoseidon]

[quote name='Uncle B' timestamp='1297208917' post='2626153']
I am assuming this is sarcastic being Sparta has proven once again that they suck at war, and so I have no idea why they would wish to get involved in another front to help out their allies enemies by giving them free tech etc (Unless its another cunning plan to pull in their unengaged allies again).

Also woo peace, boo to non-engagement term (personally would of prefered one that said they wouldn't engage our allies again).
[/quote]
No, I'm not being sarcastic. Sparta pwned, but I'm just pointing out the pwnment would've been greater if NV had been white peace'd out of this conflict.

[youwish959]

[quote name='Mayzie' timestamp='1297207809' post='2626131']
Seriously now, who told you and who knew exactly how long the war would last? I'm sick of hearing this line of argument, it's really beginning to piss me off. I wish someone would've told me how long the war would last, I'd have goaded more MHA members into attacking me.

No, you didn't have a second wave, you had your middle & top tier in peacemode for the NPO-DH front, so no that doesn't 'also explain why you kept a second wave in peacemode', every nation ranked in the top two thirds of your alliance does not constitute a second wave.

If WAPA knew that we'd all be peacing out less than a week after you entered, they'd have never asked you to enter in the first place. The situation is unfortunate but not exactly something that they could've known, so quit the bawwing all over the OWF, it's getting !@#$@#$ ridiculous now.
[/quote]
Don't burst a gasket there, chump.

[Bob Janova]

Congratulations to everyone. Looking forward to the NV-WF announcement.

[Selindryl]

[quote name='pigsticker' timestamp='1297187869' post='2625849']
they could have done something sneaky like declare on someone else before the agreement was published.
that would have technically evaded the problem.
[/quote]
I wish I were as sneaky as you. Cairna, why didn't we do this?!

Also Auctor Glad to see you're still around.

[Cairna]

[quote name='Selindryl' timestamp='1297214333' post='2626312']
I wish I were as sneaky as you. Cairna, why didn't we do this?!

Also Auctor Glad to see you're still around.
[/quote]

Maybe we did, sugarplum. Maybe we did.

[Bower3aj]

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
First off, I'm sure you made every effort you possibly could to take on absolutely everyone by yourself. I applaud you for that and have no complaints about your battlefield conduct. Regardless of the intention here and wholly aside from what I think about CD's OWF conduct in this thread, they did get screwed over by this peace. They missed out on an opportunity to be able to defend their other allies in a way that they saw fit, and tbqh I think everyone shares a little blame here for that. CD didn't stay in the loop, sure, but I find it unfortunate and disappointing that they weren't able to have been kept abreast of what was going on. From what I know, peace was being talked about before they even entered the theater. Why didn't they know? I don't think they're acting dumb now and knew then, I think they were genuinely miscommunicated to and I can understand why they'd be disappointed about that.
[/quote]

Oh, from what I've gathered peace was almost agreed upon before the entered with the exception of a couple AZTEC alliances. Genuine disappointment in not knowing what everybody else knew is fine. But that should be conversation to be had with their allies. I don't think you wash your dirty laundry with the way your friends handled something in the OWF. Maybe that's just my opinion.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
boo hoo, they said something about a 14 man AA and you're complaining about how they took on the biggest alliance in the game. Aside from two people being stupid doesn't make a genius, just the scale here should give you an indication that that's a weak argument.
[/quote]
True on the scale thing. But I actually think he thought the Darkfall guy was a Mason. I don't really see how his comment makes sense in any other context. But that just makes it a fail insult. Either way I concede to my own weak argument.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
You complained about the exact same thing they did, then turned around and changed your mind once you saw other people calling you names. Bravo.
[/quote]

I haven't changed my mind. I'm still upset that I'm not coming out of Peace mode after recovering from glowing to jump into the fray for some more nuking. But I said my piece and that was that. I don't need to continuously harp it on the OWF. That's what I do in my own forums to my gov members

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
I'll allow CD to make their own judgments about me for themselves and don't think you need to resort to putting words in their mouths for the sake of hyperbole.
[/quote]
fair enough. I just know I don't like being called a "wuss" and other terms because my bloc got peace. That type of comment is something I expect from my enemies. Not the guys standing down the line from me.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
Honestly dude, your whole rant came off as massive disrespect for anyone who wasn't a member of AZTEC and were therefore "little people" in your eyes. You might not be here to make friends, but you are definitely representing your alliance about as well as CD has represented itself in this thread.
[/quote]

Perhaps it did. And, I apologize if it did. I'm actually far more fond of small alliances then big alliances. Big alliances can make really bad allies. They're hard to really get to know. I don't like it. Small guys will defend their friends to the death. Big guys lose that with size. And I certainly didn't view the non-AZTEC on our side as little people. NATO and TFD both have a size advantage on the Lodge. It was more of a little people as far as control in the situation goes. Obviously NV and AZTEC had most control over peace terms. NV was attacked, AZTEC is their Bloc.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1297209577' post='2626166']
I don't even know what to make of this statement, it comes off as a childish "you shouldn't do what I just did but only did because you just did what I shouldn't have done" statement and doesn't adhere to any mature logic I'm aware of.

Look, as far as I'm concerned, this issue should have been closed with Bionic Redhead's post. If you want to keep wallowing in it, by all means, go for it; but don't expect that to paint you in a good light.
[/quote]

Alright. Fine. I'll concede to you again Auctor. Perhaps it should have stopped with BRs post. I was actually impressed with the post. But it continued and it irritated me some more. So I also called for it to stop. Perhaps my anger at CD got the best of my words. But I was frustrated with the hijacking of the peace thread to talk about CDs communication problems with its allies. It's seems as if they've decided to stop now though. So my quarrel in this thread is done.

[King Charge]

[quote name='Mayzie' timestamp='1297207809' post='2626131']
Seriously now, who told you and who knew exactly how long the war would last?
[/quote]

Can someone from CD honestly come out and tell me the answer to this question? I'd like to know just how AZTEC "made it seem" like the war was going to last weeks. That seems to be the main issue here.

Edited February 9, 2011 by King Charge

[PrinceArutha]

[quote name='the damned' timestamp='1297188637' post='2625853']
If you would be willing, may i recommend a 200 word review of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout by the North Coast Brewing company?

Also, o/ Peace

All of my targets were quiet but respectful.
[/quote]

I am currently doing a review tonight and I dont like to mix beers due to flavors colliding. but I will do one on that this weekend.

[Dubsy]

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1297173001' post='2625643']
Are you dumb? Honestly. Peace mode is excellent when you want to save nations for the second wave. [b]When you are the second wave[/b] having most your nations in peace mode is not just counter-productive, it's plain stupid.
[/quote]

Counting past two is always a bonus. Try it.