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[quote name='Earl Dumarest' date='05 February 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1265350557' post='2160883']
Correct; I must apologise on behalf of Hassman.

The list he posted is our friends, not our allies. There is some overlap, of course, and he *is* easily confused.
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Your apology is of course accepted. Of course, it's the OWF things are confusing enough around here as it is, let alone in a war like this the easily confused might start claiming that TOP is on C&Gs side. It's a strange time we live in.

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you guys should really read and understand what is the meaning of Mutual Defense... i know you have ignored the optional Aggression, but what is defense means to you? and if you think that this treaty is worth almost nothing to you, better stop it...

anyway, again... i must say to NATO please don't do No Action Talk Only... fight well!

and WAPA, do learn more about what is the different between mutual and optional and treaty and friendship... :) enjoy the winning side war!

lastly, goodluck!

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[quote name='Earl Dumarest' date='05 February 2010 - 06:15 AM' timestamp='1265350557' post='2160883']
Correct; I must apologise on behalf of Hassman.

The list he posted is our friends, not our allies. There is some overlap, of course, and he *is* easily confused.
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Sorry :blink:

Was in a rush. Had morning pee.

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[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='05 February 2010 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1265352364' post='2160999']
Poor show, leaving TOOL and NEW hanging
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1 Touch Football
57th Overlanders
Aqua Defense Initiative
Carpe Diem
Christian Coalition of Countries
EPIC Nations
Farkistan
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons
Nueva Vida
NUHyperforce
Nusantara Elite Warriors
Republic of Aquisgrana
The Despised Icon
The German Empire
The Immortals
The Order Of Light

Did you not see this post??!?!??!
Most of them are on this side...

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[quote name='baskan' date='05 February 2010 - 06:48 AM' timestamp='1265352517' post='2161010']
1 Touch Football
57th Overlanders
Aqua Defense Initiative
Carpe Diem
Christian Coalition of Countries
EPIC Nations
Farkistan
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons
Nueva Vida
NUHyperforce
Nusantara Elite Warriors
Republic of Aquisgrana
The Despised Icon
The German Empire
The Immortals
The Order Of Light

Did you not see this post??!?!??!
Most of them are on this side...
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Your word on mutual defence pacts means nothing apparently then? Again, who would say.

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[quote name='Auctor' date='05 February 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1265352685' post='2161017']
Considering the position NEW took earlier vis a vis their allies fighting for Polar, I find this hypocrisy funny.
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Exactly so stop fretting about nonsense

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1 Touch Football - Other side
57th Overlanders - not fighting
Aqua Defense Initiative - "My" side
Carpe Diem - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
EPIC Nations - fairly certain not fighting
Farkistan - other side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting (was on my side but got peace)
Nueva Vida - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
NUHyperforce - Not fighting
Nusantara Elite Warriors - "My" side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting AFAIK
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - other side
The Order Of Light - "My" side

Please, if you try to justify bandwagoning onto the winning side, more effective arguments. Four of your allies were on "my" side until Polar peaced out against FOK and \m/, and 3 of our allies are on "my" side. 3 of your allies are on the other side. I'll leave the math to you guys

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[quote name='baskan' date='05 February 2010 - 06:53 AM' timestamp='1265352820' post='2161027']
Exactly so stop fretting about nonsense
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You'll have to point me out where NEW opted to bandwaggon on someone with an optional agression clause instead of fulfilling a Mutual Defence clause. It can't get more dishonorable and coward than that WAPA, and you got it.

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[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='05 February 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1265352931' post='2161034']
1 Touch Football - Other side
57th Overlanders - not fighting
Aqua Defense Initiative - "My" side
Carpe Diem - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
EPIC Nations - fairly certain not fighting
Farkistan - other side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting (was on my side but got peace)
Nueva Vida - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
NUHyperforce - Not fighting
Nusantara Elite Warriors - "My" side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting AFAIK
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - other side
The Order Of Light - "My" side

Please, if you try to justify bandwagoning onto the winning side, more effective arguments. Four of your allies were on "my" side until Polar peaced out against FOK and \m/, and 3 of our allies are on "my" side. 3 of your allies are on the other side. I'll leave the math to you guys
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I think we could make it even simpler and do the MDP's only

From Wiki
1 Touch Football - CnG Side
NEW - TOP side
The German Empire - Not Involved

but yea, whatever

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[quote name='baskan' date='05 February 2010 - 07:04 AM' timestamp='1265353443' post='2161057']
SHUSH!!! drinking this early erm late no way jose!!!
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So you leaving your treaty partners out to dry can just be left up to your failure as a "friend" and an alliance. Mental note, never treaty WAPA unless you plan on being on the winning side of the war always.

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[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='05 February 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1265352931' post='2161034']
1 Touch Football - Other side
57th Overlanders - not fighting
Aqua Defense Initiative - "My" side
Carpe Diem - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
EPIC Nations - fairly certain not fighting
Farkistan - other side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting (was on my side but got peace)
Nueva Vida - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
NUHyperforce - Not fighting
Nusantara Elite Warriors - "My" side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting AFAIK
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - other side
The Order Of Light - "My" side

Please, if you try to justify bandwagoning onto the winning side, more effective arguments. Four of your allies were on "my" side until Polar peaced out against FOK and \m/, and 3 of our allies are on "my" side. 3 of your allies are on the other side. I'll leave the math to you guys
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I feel like there are some fixes. I don't know WAPAs treaties nor do I care enough to look them up, but we'll assume that these are all right minus one:

1 Touch Football - C&G side
57th Overlanders - C&G side
Aqua Defense Initiative - TOP side
Carpe Diem - not fighting
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting
EPIC Nations - not fighting
Farkistan - C&G side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting nor treatied with WAPA... but we've covered this
Nueva Vida - not fighting
NUHyperforce - C&G side
Nusantara Elite Warriors - TOP side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - C&G side
The Order Of Light - TOP side

so off of this list. 5 fighting on C&Gs side, 3 on TOPs side.

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[quote name='Duncan King' date='05 February 2010 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1265348812' post='2160655']
This one saddens me. An alliance I really like attacking an alliance [b]I'm learning to respect again[/b]. Good luck to both of you and I hope you both make it out okay.
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You tooo, we should get together sometime, maybe you can teach me how to do that.

I hope both alliances have a blast and come out in one piece.

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