Seth Muscarella Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Would we have seen this apology if nobody expressed their offense to the "racist" remarks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Would we have seen this apology if nobody expressed their offense to the "racist" remarks? I don't believe so. This is called 'bum'-covering 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I don't believe so. This is called 'bum'-covering 101. Actually, Yes had I been there I would have told these members to STFU and apologized on the spot (as I am sure anyone else in .gov would have if they had been active when it happened). I have tried to explain many times and I must be doing a poor job of it as people just don't get what I am trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
890765 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 [OOC] As a minority I have faced racism my entire life. As a member of \m/, I know that the statements made by my alliance mates are all in good fun. Don't take their statements seriously, otherwise you will become a very twisted individual.[/OOC] Good show \m/. Haters gonna hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzell Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 And that's what they're apologizing for, for crossing that line. Now do you see why you're just looking like you're grasping for an argument? It actually does make sense to me the way you've explained it. The OP conveys a different message though, and both you and the OP seem to assume \m/'s typical conduct is acceptable. Also, the line that \m/ crossed cannot be uncrossed, and the consequence of this action is up to Polar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Suttler Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I am extremely amazed at the outcry over this. For heaven's sake, this is the Internet; stuff gets said on a continual basis, that is usually not directed personally at someone. But no, there are those of you who are so serious that you take every comment as a personal attack on your own person, rather than on a character based in a political simulation. It's you people that are the cause of the schizophrenic society we live in now, with its so-called political correctness and general distrust of a fellow human being. Seriously, calm down, light a joint or something, and mellow out. \m/ is probably one of the most chill alliances I know in this game, and isn't out on a mission to offend and demean anyone personally. If any of you are taking anything that was said seriously, you're just ruining the vibe for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 It actually does make sense to me the way you've explained it. The OP conveys a different message though, and both you and the OP seem to assume \m/'s typical conduct is acceptable. Also, the line that \m/ crossed cannot be uncrossed, and the consequence of this action is up to Polar. The OP conveys the same message, maybe not worded the right way for you, but that is why we've had clarifications on it in this thread and they've also clarified it in private to anyone interested. Their typical conduct amongst themselves is acceptable to them, and I don't see where there is anything wrong with that. Their conduct to foreign diplomats is not acceptable however, and there you have the reason for the apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternalis Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) They're apologizing because Grub was offended and that is not the way \m/ wishes to communicate with foreign dignitaries, especially when they were not warned of the happenings in #\m/. the rest of the apology goes out to the general populace of CN, as a courtesy to them, stating that they should stay out of #\m/ if they are offended by racist jokes, etc. so they don't have to make this apology over and over again. Edited January 21, 2010 by Aeternalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 They're apologizing because Grub was offended and that is not the way \m/ wishes to communicate with foreign dignitaries, especially when they were not warned of the happenings in #\m/. the rest of the apology goes out to the general populace of CN, as a courtesy to them, stating that they should stay out of #\m/ if they are offended by racist jokes, etc. so they don't have to make this apology over and over again. Oh, come on. This is the most half-assed "apology" I can remember. Even the GWI apologies were more convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Oh, come on. This is the most half-assed "apology" I can remember. Even the GWI apologies were more convincing. I disagree about how "half-assed" this is having talked to them about it. You're entitled to your opinion however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternalis Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Oh, come on. This is the most half-assed "apology" I can remember. Even the GWI apologies were more convincing. doesn't matter. either way, nothing is going to happen based on some views that it is half-assed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris8967 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Classy as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzptm Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So the apology is for the poor language and not for insulting leaders of other alliances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) So the apology is for the poor language and not for insulting leaders of other alliances? I believe it's been clarified that's exactly what it was for. edit: the insulting Edited January 21, 2010 by WarriorConcept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utracia Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I disagree about how "half-assed" this is having talked to them about it. You're entitled to your opinion however. They say that such inflamatory comments happen on their channel on a regular basis and visitors should be forewarned etc, it can't be much of an apology if there is no attempt to restrain their members. Apologies need to come with an intent to change or they are meaningless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris8967 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So the apology is for the poor language and not for insulting leaders of other alliances? They apologized to everyone that took offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 They say that such inflamatory comments happen on their channel on a regular basis and visitors should be forewarned etc, it can't be much of an apology if there is no attempt to restrain their members. Apologies need to come with an intent to change or they are meaningless I think you're misunderstanding. Visitors should be forewarned that it is what goes on in their channels. However foreign officials when requesting a formal discussion being met with that is not tolerated and that is what the apology was for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) [OOC] I'm Jewish, and I get crap all the time, obviously. My friends IRL and in DT will make jokes, but I know they don't mean any harm by it, so I take it in stride. I doubt the good folks over at \m/ are hateful. Besides, it's OOC. If someone calls me a dirty Jew on IRC, I'm not going to attack them in-game over it. IC and OOC stay separate. [/OOC] This is being blown way out of proportion in one of these ridiculous chases for a "valid CB", whatever that is. If you really dislike \m/ that much, attack them for that reason and be honest about it. I'm sure we'll all tack off a few respect points for that, but it's better than you attempting to insult our intelligence by feigning outrage. (This "you" character refers to any group that may be considering an attack on \m/) EDIT: It's clear what \m/ means here. When they make "racist" remarks, they mean them more as "racial comments" rather than "racial slurs". In other words, they involve race/gender/orientation/genus/species/planet of origin/whatever in their idle chatter, and even if they say something derogatory, they mean it in good humor, not with any malicious intent. Frankly, IMO, this oughtn't even be in [OOC]this section of the forum EDIT 2.0 : Post # 1337 [/OOC]. Edited January 21, 2010 by MaGneT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 \m/ is an alliance that tolerates humor and remarks that other alliances do not. We do not apologize for our senses of humor. We apologize for failing to deal with a foreign dignitary with the appropriate level of professionalism. That is all we apologize for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utracia Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I think you're misunderstanding. Visitors should be forewarned that it is what goes on in their channels. However foreign officials when requesting a formal discussion being met with that is not tolerated and that is what the apology was for. I suppose its too much to wish that such juvenile behavior wouldn't occur in any venue whether in public or in official chats? But I suppose an alliance like this purposefully cloaks itself in 13 yr old boy antics, where saying dirty words and bigotry is "cool". Whatever, up to them it is their channel, I don't ever intend to go there anyway. I still find their OP to be a contradiction as was pointed out by others as well, which I haven't caught a response to (though I admit I had no desire to examine all the posts in this thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I suppose its too much to wish that such juvenile behavior wouldn't occur in any venue whether in public or in official chats? But I suppose an alliance like this purposefully cloaks itself in 13 yr old boy antics, where saying dirty words and bigotry is "cool". Whatever, up to them it is their channel, I don't ever intend to go there anyway.I still find their OP to be a contradiction as was pointed out by others as well, which I haven't caught a response to (though I admit I had no desire to examine all the posts in this thread) Well, that's your own opinion. I suppose you don't like visiting #mushroom and others as well, but because that affects your sensibilities doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be allowed to joke when we want. And well I've pointed out the lack of a contradiction to you and others several times in this thread, so I'd recommend actually reading this whole thing before making an uniformed opinion as you just have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 \m/ is an alliance that tolerates humor and remarks that other alliances do not. We do not apologize for our senses of humor. We apologize for failing to deal with a foreign dignitary with the appropriate level of professionalism. That is all we apologize for. So you're condoning racism now? Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 So you're condoning racism now? Perfect. Have you ever been in all your ally's IRC channels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utracia Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Well, that's your own opinion. I suppose you don't like visiting #mushroom and others as well, but because that affects your sensibilities doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be allowed to joke when we want.And well I've pointed out the lack of a contradiction to you and others several times in this thread, so I'd recommend actually reading this whole thing before making an uniformed opinion as you just have. The OP itself is a contradiction, I suppose one could find some smooth way to wave that off, to explain away reality but whatever. I don't find this issue to be important enough to argue about so I'll just leave you all to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The OP itself is a contradiction, I suppose one could find some smooth way to wave that off, to explain away reality but whatever. I don't find this issue to be important enough to argue about so I'll just leave you all to it It wasn't a contradiction at all if you read it properly, but whatever you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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