deth2munkies Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Its just an assumption based on opinion, next. As is the entire core of your spying case. Next thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphysics Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 So it has been proven that RoK leadership was aware of this multi being used to spy scenario? I didn't read all the responses but clearly this was proven already right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juslen Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 You know.... I wouldn't have released any logs, I'd have just jumped them. Wait, I have a better idea. I'd have jumped them 5-1, with no warning and all my lackeys could have spewed their hollow moral righteousness for three days... Then I would have my pants pulled down to reveal my pink frilly thong that I wear 'cause it makes me feel pretty. Funny thing is, I know Hoo, he wouldn't do this IMHO, but hey, I still will enjoy having new neighbors in the flaming ball pit of hell (hattip: KDW). Welcome, we have fun and games. You missed the part about your allies waiting around for 5 days without actually defending and instead flooding the debate with words of no real value simply volume. I have this awful habit of seeing both side of the story unfortunately but just remember TPF was jumped 5/1 but with a 0/5 defense response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) You're just mad cause you had to picture Hoo in a pink frilly thong. Off-topic I know (sorry mods), but... God damn you, sir. Now I'm thinking about it. Edit: So it has been proven that RoK leadership was aware of this multi being used to spy scenario? I didn't read all the responses but clearly this was proven already right? We can only wish the case was that good. Edited January 1, 2010 by Aurion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 The logs?It's just their strategy. Chuck everything possible, be as loud as possible and hope they win by volume. Something about a pot and kettle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Ragnarok, you know no shame. Claiming yourself to be so righteous!Going like: "WE WILL NOT TOLERATE SPIES AND BLAH BLAH BALH" while you spy on others. ANd your allies aren't doing anything better, they go like "no, is not happening noooo I refuse to see it" or go like "What spy? you see any? I don't see any. I am freaking blind" or "NO! THATS YOUR SPY!" well is your mom too. XD Prove RoK orchestrated this. Because right now common sense points to one of two answers: NATO organized this (all the convenient timings and AA changes right when a spy would become useless to them, then getting caught RIGHT when they needed dirt on RoK the most ), or, worst case scenario, something a former triumvir of RoK did on his own. Stop being a Yes Man, please. Edited January 1, 2010 by Penkala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Its just an assumption based on opinion, next. No, it's a reasonable deduction based on evidence, unless of course the log of Magee's AA is false. Please try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyrinx Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) I know Unspeakable Evil posted this info before, but just want to get everything in one post. I'm going to post what I've preliminarily been able to find out (could be completely wrong, in which case please correct me!) There is no evidence to suggest that, before this recent application's at NATO, IRON, where ever else that President Magee was being used to spy: President Magee: [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> Incoming: [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------------+-------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+--------------------------------------------------+ [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | Date | Ruler | Name | NID | NS | Infra | Tech | Nukes | Senority | alliance_affiliation | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------------+-------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+--------------------------------------------------+ [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-06-27 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 25,611 | 5,800 | 700 | 0 | 672 | International Security And Commerce Organisation | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-03 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 25,611 | 5,800 | 700 | 0 | 678 | International Security And Commerce Organisation | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-04 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 25,611 | 5,800 | 700 | 0 | 679 | International Security And Commerce Organisation | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-05 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 25,611 | 5,800 | 700 | 0 | 680 | International Security And Commerce Organisation | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-11-03 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 29,775 | 6,200 | 1,050 | 11 | 40 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-13 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,175 | 6,330 | 1,070 | 20 | 111 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-14 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,175 | 6,330 | 1,070 | 20 | 112 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-15 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,175 | 6,330 | 1,070 | 20 | 113 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-18 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,175 | 6,330 | 1,070 | 20 | 116 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-25 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,175 | 6,330 | 1,070 | 20 | 123 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-01 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,348 | 6,330 | 1,090 | 20 | 130 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-08 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 35,580 | 6,360 | 1,100 | 20 | 137 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-15 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 37,105 | 6,380 | 1,100 | 20 | 144 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-22 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 37,105 | 6,380 | 1,100 | 20 | 151 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-03-01 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 37,105 | 6,380 | 1,100 | 20 | 158 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-03-08 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 37,715 | 6,380 | 1,100 | 20 | 165 | Ragnarok | [19:41] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-04-18 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 38,106 | 6,448 | 1,120 | 20 | 206 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-05-03 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 23,608 | 4,537 | 671 | 4 | 221 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-05-10 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 24,448 | 4,537 | 671 | 10 | 228 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-06-28 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 25,969 | 4,557 | 671 | 20 | 277 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-18 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 19,916 | 2,990 | 250 | 20 | 328 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-23 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 20,348 | 2,990 | 250 | 20 | 333 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-30 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 20,738 | 2,990 | 250 | 20 | 340 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-06 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 20,238 | 2,990 | 150 | 20 | 347 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-13 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 19,738 | 2,990 | 50 | 20 | 354 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-20 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 21,138 | 3,540 | 0 | 20 | 361 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-27 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,011 | 3,790 | 0 | 20 | 368 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-04 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,682 | 3,990 | 0 | 20 | 375 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-09 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,682 | 3,990 | 0 | 20 | 380 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-10 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,682 | 3,990 | 0 | 20 | 381 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-11 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,682 | 3,990 | 0 | 20 | 382 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-12 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 22,682 | 3,990 | 0 | 20 | 383 | Ragnarok | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-18 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 15,841 | 3,740 | 0 | 14 | 1 | Orange Defense Network | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-29 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 3,123 | 990 | 10 | 0 | 2 | NATO | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-06 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 4,653 | 1,220 | 100 | 0 | 9 | NATO | [19:42] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-13 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 5,508 | 1,380 | 100 | 6 | 16 | NATO | [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-20 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 7,358 | 1,460 | 100 | 14 | 23 | NATO | [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-27 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 9,008 | 1,460 | 100 | 19 | 30 | NATO | [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-29 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 9,458 | 1,480 | 100 | 20 | 32 | NATO | [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-30 | President Magee | Masoa | 39590 | 9,598 | 1,480 | 100 | 20 | 33 | NATO | [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------------+-------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+--------------------------------------------------+ [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> 40 rows in set (0.01 sec) [19:43] <UnspeakableEvil> Let me know if that all showed up Rishnokof: [19:48] <Jyrinx[STA]> Rishnokof = nation ID 40591 [19:48] <Jyrinx[STA]> President Magee = 39590 [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> okie doke [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> incoming: [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------+---------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+----------------------+ [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> | Date | Ruler | Name | NID | NS | Infra | Tech | Nukes | Senority | alliance_affiliation | [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------+---------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+----------------------+ [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-05-24 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 21,937 | 4,292 | 750 | 0 | 8 | Ragnarok | [19:48] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-06-01 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,303 | 4,330 | 800 | 0 | 16 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-06-22 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,714 | 4,430 | 800 | 0 | 37 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-06-27 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,714 | 4,430 | 800 | 0 | 42 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-03 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,714 | 4,430 | 800 | 0 | 48 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-04 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,714 | 4,430 | 800 | 0 | 49 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-07-05 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,714 | 4,430 | 800 | 0 | 50 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2008-11-03 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 25,106 | 4,221 | 1,200 | 0 | 171 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-13 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 27,806 | 4,241 | 1,700 | 0 | 242 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-14 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 27,806 | 4,241 | 1,700 | 0 | 243 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-15 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 27,806 | 4,241 | 1,700 | 0 | 244 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-18 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 27,806 | 4,241 | 1,700 | 0 | 247 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-01-25 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 28,056 | 4,241 | 1,750 | 0 | 254 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-01 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 28,467 | 4,241 | 1,850 | 0 | 261 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-08 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 28,967 | 4,241 | 1,950 | 0 | 268 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-15 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 28,967 | 4,241 | 1,950 | 0 | 275 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-02-22 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 29,717 | 4,241 | 2,100 | 0 | 282 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-03-01 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 29,717 | 4,241 | 2,100 | 0 | 289 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-03-08 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 30,217 | 4,241 | 2,200 | 0 | 296 | Ragnarok | [19:49] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-04-18 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 31,717 | 4,241 | 2,500 | 0 | 337 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-05-03 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,191 | 1,278 | 1,914 | 0 | 352 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-05-10 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 13,565 | 829 | 1,846 | 0 | 359 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-06-28 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 5,650 | 148 | 1,002 | 0 | 408 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-18 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 11,975 | 1,990 | 951 | 0 | 459 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-23 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 11,975 | 1,990 | 951 | 0 | 464 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-08-30 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 12,225 | 1,990 | 1,001 | 0 | 471 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-06 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 12,475 | 1,990 | 1,051 | 0 | 478 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-13 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 12,725 | 1,990 | 1,101 | 0 | 485 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-20 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,706 | 2,990 | 1,251 | 0 | 492 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-09-27 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,796 | 2,990 | 1,251 | 0 | 499 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-04 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,796 | 2,990 | 1,251 | 0 | 506 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-09 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,796 | 2,990 | 1,251 | 0 | 511 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-10 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 16,796 | 2,990 | 1,251 | 0 | 512 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-11 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 17,046 | 2,990 | 1,301 | 0 | 513 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-12 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 17,296 | 2,990 | 1,351 | 0 | 514 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-18 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 17,296 | 2,990 | 1,351 | 0 | 520 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-10-25 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 17,296 | 2,990 | 1,351 | 0 | 527 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-01 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 20,296 | 3,990 | 1,351 | 0 | 534 | Ragnarok | [19:50] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-08 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 20,646 | 3,990 | 1,401 | 0 | 541 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-15 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 21,396 | 3,990 | 1,551 | 0 | 548 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-22 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 21,396 | 3,990 | 1,551 | 0 | 555 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-11-29 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 21,526 | 3,990 | 1,551 | 1 | 562 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-06 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 22,851 | 4,000 | 1,651 | 8 | 569 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-13 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 24,611 | 4,000 | 1,651 | 15 | 576 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-20 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 27,716 | 4,000 | 1,751 | 22 | 583 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-27 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 32,780 | 3,825 | 1,805 | 25 | 0 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-29 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 28,328 | 3,346 | 1,670 | 23 | 2 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> | 2009-12-30 | Rishnokof | Chingra | 40591 | 26,317 | 3,148 | 1,615 | 23 | 3 | Ragnarok | [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> +------------+-----------+---------+-------+--------+-------+-------+-------+----------+----------------------+ [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> 48 rows in set (0.01 sec) [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> He changed his AA for whatever reason between 12-20 and 12-27. [19:51] <UnspeakableEvil> Came back on the 27th. [19:52] <Jyrinx[STA]> Fantastic, thank you again :) According to the CN wiki International Security And Commerce Organisation disbanded and merged into ARES. Based on Unspeakable Evil's Data set, and the application images to IRON and NATO, there is no reason to think that Rishnokof/President Magee attempted any sort of spying or alliance infiltration, aside from the most recent attempt with IRON/NATO/whoever else. Consequently, I believe it can be concluded that no alliance infiltration or spying occurred by Rishnokof during his terms as triumvir or holding of any government posts. Based on Van Hoo's response and the fact that burden of proof falls on the accuser, I see nothing to suggest that Ragnarok Government knew of Rishnokof's attempted infiltration. Conclusion:Again, this is simply what I've gathered as a preliminary investigation. Feel free to correct me or add more information, but from what I can see nothing done by Rishnokof against TOP, NSO, IRON, NATO, or Grey Council was in any way sanctioned by Ragnarok Cheers Edited January 1, 2010 by Jyrinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) woops DELETE ME Edited January 1, 2010 by Zoomzoomzoom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 As is the entire core of your spying case.Next thread. Except its been proved that he ran the nation and conducted false flag operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyemolad Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Its just an assumption based on opinion, next. How so? If it was opinion then whats with the nation delete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I think the only real logical move would be for RoK to drop out of this war. EDIT: Reworded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Never mind. Quoted posted was deleted, therefore no need for this. Edited January 1, 2010 by SpacingOutMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) EDIT: Haha quoted post of my deleted post was deleted? nvm Edited January 1, 2010 by Zoomzoomzoom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Except its been proved that he ran the nation and conducted false flag operations. Except that wasn't BEFORE. The question was when Magee originally spied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 lol right? The whole point is that Rish and Magee are/were a multi with one another. Magee had access to NATO for a month, and tried to enter other alliances and cause trouble even before that (i.e. attempting to enter IRON with a multi in November). Rish's nation was in RoK up until about a week ago it seems. So a former Trium and current Advisor (still in RoK up until 12/25/09) had a multi in NATO. Magee stated he was in RoK before we applied to NATO. I don't see a former Trium or even an advisor to the government of an alliance having access to another alliance via a multi as a good thing. It's pretty simple. Unless no one had any idea they were doing it. Rish convinced us that Magee was an entirely different person when we met him in ISCO. Magee led that alliance and rishnokof was their FA guy. Rish came over to RoK by himself and Magee joined RoK many months later ... we had no reason to think they were multis. Magee never posted on the RoK forums and in fact had a grand total of eight posts. Oh and hi there delgursh. Silly NATO, didn't you know you should wait 4 months and then attack Rok without talking to them about the spying first? This cute and witty post lost it's steam when I stated that had they just attacked us instead of coming to us ... we'd have been ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) So you have no proof that RoK govt knew of this, yet you know TPF govt talked to ZH about their operation. I think they knew, alright. But I'm not accusing them and have no proof, only what is probable given the status of the person within their ranks. The message that Rish posted to the RoK membership sounds like the perfect cover to go spy on other alliances. If they understand the true path of honor, they'll know what to do. If they do it, that's another story. Edited January 1, 2010 by Kzoppistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxyrty Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Prove RoK orchestrated this. Because right now common sense points to one of two answers: NATO organized this (all the convenient timings and AA changes right when a spy would become useless to them, then getting caught RIGHT when they needed dirt on RoK the most ), or, worst case scenario, something a former triumvir of RoK did on his own.Stop being a Yes Man, please. Common sense point to that rok used spies and spy on others, and make up stories of other spying on them then attacking them in the name of spying. Stop being nutty. edit: grammer Edited January 1, 2010 by wxyrty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 How so? If it was opinion then whats with the nation delete? Wrong argument he was a multi, that guy says people have to prove he ran it for all 1200 days like that matters considering how it was used at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Except its been proved that he ran the nation and conducted false flag operations. Against NSO, who oddly doesn't appear to be on his AA list that UE posted. The accusations in the OP list spying on NATO and IRON for which there is absolutely no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Common sense point to that rok used spies and spy on others and attack others and make up stories of other spying on them.Stop being nutty. I'll stop being nutty and implying NATO gov orchestrated it with no proof when you stop being nutty and implying that RoK gov orchestrated it with no proof. See the point I'm trying to make, now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Juggler Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Against NSO, who oddly doesn't appear to be on his AA list that UE posted.The accusations in the OP list spying on NATO and IRON for which there is absolutely no proof. # Using the multi to attempt infiltration of IRON (it should be noted that he was unsuccessful).# Using the multi to successfully infiltrate NATO; he was a member of that alliance until today. Infiltration was listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unspeakable Evil Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Against NSO, who oddly doesn't appear to be on his AA list that UE posted. His nation was deleted before I did my stats run today. Edited January 1, 2010 by Unspeakable Evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyemolad Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Wrong argument he was a multi, that guy says people have to prove he ran it for all 1200 days like that matters considering how it was used at the end. makes sense then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxyrty Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I'll stop being nutty and implying NATO gov orchestrated it with no proof when you stop being nutty and implying that RoK gov orchestrated it with no proof. See the point I'm trying to make, now? Well we got prove, and is not only provable, it is the smoking gun. Rok spied and got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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