Kevin McDonald Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Would seem likely this happened in mid July when relations between ZH and TPF broke down. We're all waiting for your proof. You must have the only copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Would seem likely this happened in mid July when relations between ZH and TPF broke down. actually Jbone stated some time in August when ZH shut it down. thus, falsifying two of ya'lls arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Nobody texted me that all this crap happened last night. I feel left out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Levistus Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 We're all waiting for your proof. You must have the only copy. you have proof otherwise? I'm working with information available, and not just making stuff up and repeating it over and over. ZH said they ceased operations. Both sides admit to relations breaking down in July. Why would ZH continue to work mHawk's rather stupid plan once they ceased being friendly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'm not the one that brought up the fact that TPF and Athens hadn't specifically declared war on each other. I agree and don't find it relevant to the CB, but someone did bring it up so I just commented. Yes, I waste my time and go off point like that /shrug They declared war then when they were at peace with each other then through their acts to harm Athens. Were CB's manufactured from acts taken during prior wars?Not that i can remember. I know you're trying to separate Athens from C&G, but that's largely irrelevant, Athens was likely seen as a weak link and thus would become the best target for this type of action. As part of C&G, even if they weren't actually on the TPF front, they were still a hostile entity and a viable target and a possible access point with which to damage C&G as a whole. Actually yes, they were manufactured in the past. Also no, Athens had no say in the peace terms that TPF would get. Actually that whole argument is crap as TPF had terms throughout near the entire war anyway. Would seem likely this happened in mid July when relations between ZH and TPF broke down. That doesn't absolve mhawk of responsibility from his actions or obvious intent to harm an alliance he was not at war with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 you have proof otherwise?I'm working with information available, and not just making stuff up and repeating it over and over. ZH said they ceased operations. Both sides admit to relations breaking down in July. Why would ZH continue to work mHawk's rather stupid plan once they ceased being friendly? Hey cutie, you remember when you guys attempted to blackmail Hyperion in an effort to drag MK into a war? Good times. Making up crap to drag alliances into wars is ok in your book, but an actual act of an aggression against an alliance isn't. As I stated on page 20 or so, if you were in Athens place, you would do the same thing and if you contradict me you are lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 you have proof otherwise?I'm working with information available, and not just making stuff up and repeating it over and over. ZH said they ceased operations. Both sides admit to relations breaking down in July. Why would ZH continue to work mHawk's rather stupid plan once they ceased being friendly? Fine, I accept ZH didn't want to do this. It's too bad Athens DoW'd ZH... oh wait. So, again, how does this absolve Mhawk and TPF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'll make this really easy since alot of people seem to keep missing the point here. Karma war starts here. TPF made a group that was supposed to sabbotage and spy on athens and the group was planted. This wasn't just on a planning stage. This actually happened. This was during the war though and if things had ended here then at best athens could demand some reps for acts of war against them during the war if they could even get that. Karma war ends here. ??? A month later ZH shuts down the operation by themselves. and finally ZH tell athens the truth and here we are Can you see where the cb is now? It's in the ??? part. We all agree by now that it was ZH that shut down the operation. We also know that ZH shut down the operation a month after the karma war was over. This proves that TPF let this operation run for a month after the war was over ie. they had a group made specificaly to spy/harm athens active a month after the war was over. Athens have all the right in the world to retaliate after TPFs agression here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 1. He should've shelved it, we all are saying that.2. Athens never declared war on TPF. Here, reach again: Athens never declared war on TPF? You wanna take another look at what's going on right now. Cause last I checked, Athens did declare war on TPF for the very reason that this discussion is taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 you have proof otherwise?I'm working with information available, and not just making stuff up and repeating it over and over. ZH said they ceased operations. Both sides admit to relations breaking down in July. Why would ZH continue to work mHawk's rather stupid plan once they ceased being friendly? are you intentionally ignoring my posts? it was stated by Jbone that ZH ended the operation in August not July. thus showing that the argument that the operation ended in July being false. second, if TPF knew that ZH ended the op in August, that shows that the argument they ceased relations in July to also be false. this also proves that the argument that mhawk/TPF ended the op is also a lie. now with three lies building up, you really think that TPF is telling the truth or just covering their @#$%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Athens never declared war on TPF? You wanna take another look at what's going on right now. Cause last I checked, Athens did declare war on TPF for the very reason that this discussion is taking place. you truly are dense aren't you. he was talking about the Karma war, not this one. seriously, keep stretching their and you may reach 50 feet tall soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Athens never declared war on TPF? You wanna take another look at what's going on right now. Cause last I checked, Athens did declare war on TPF for the very reason that this discussion is taking place. I was referring to during the karma war, which is when mhawk should have held such a conversation with Athens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) I know I'm late to the party, but just so I'm clear: During the Karma war, TPF comes up with this brilliant plan to infiltrate and sow dissension in two alliances it isn't a war with, the plan falls apart before it's barely out of the starting gate, 4-5 months pass and here we are. That about right? Or is there anything else that makes this not the dumbest war ever? Thanks in advance, Love, Sal Edited December 28, 2009 by Sal Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I know I'm late to the party, but just so I'm clear:During the Karma war, TPF comes up with this brilliant plan to infiltrate and sow dissension in two alliances it isn't a war with, the plan falls apart before it's barely out of the starting gate, 4-5 months pass and here we are. The alliance was created and had already signed a protectorate with its target, that's hardly "barely out of the starting gate" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahnite Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I know I'm late to the party, but just so I'm clear:During the Karma war, TPF comes up with this brilliant plan to infiltrate and sow dissension in two alliances it isn't a war with, the plan falls apart before it's barely out of the starting gate, 4-5 months pass and here we are. That about right? Or is there anything else that makes this not the dumbest war ever? Thanks in advance, Love, Sal Nope! I think you pretty much nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Nope! I think you pretty much nailed it. Yeah you guys trying to cripple alliances you weren't at war with was pretty dumb I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 The alliance was created and had already signed a protectorate with its target, that's hardly "barely out of the starting gate" How much further did they have to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 How much further did they have to go? They had to stop conspiring instead of... continuing to conspire. There were a few people who ended this and none were TPF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 How much further did they have to go? That was essentially the first half done, therefore rendering your "hardly out of the gate" argument moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Here is TPF's new flag. Free of charge of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Here is TPF's new flag. Free of charge of course. So if we break his back we get to make a wish? That seems rather... morbid. And honestly, this was a stupid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 First I saw this was over plans made during Karma War and I thought it was a !@#$%^&* reason for a war. Then I saw that it was about a long term plan that seems to have been playing out post Karma War? Is that true? If that is the case then it seems very much like a suitable defensive war. Have always hated these huge protection blocs anyways. Kind of Ironic that an alliance that practices using a large protection bloc for increased power projection was almost screwed over by that practice by an alliance that uses that same style of protection/projection bloc. That is actually the first time I could speak positively about those projection blocs. It actually caused something interesting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoiL Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) Here is TPF's new flag. Free of charge of course. That would be excellent propaganda, but TPF's courage, bravery, spine, etc aren't in question here. Gotta do that with someone who breaks a treaty or something. Edited December 28, 2009 by SpoiL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorbolt Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Here is TPF's new flag. Free of charge of course. That is the furcula, or the fused clavicles of the bird, not even close to a backbone really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) That is the furcula, or the fused clavicles of the bird, not even close to a backbone really. Yeah, it's because it snaps easily... o/ semantics Edited December 28, 2009 by Kevin McDonald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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