Alterego Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 War is a part of the Cyberverse. This is a solid reason as you stated, and they acted on it.This is not a wartime offense for the reasons that have been discussed over and over again, being that TPF was not at war with Athens or RoK. Rinse and repeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Rinse and repeat An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 War is a part of the Cyberverse. This is a solid reason as you stated, and they acted on it.This is not a wartime offense for the reasons that have been discussed over and over again, being that TPF was not at war with Athens or RoK. Then maybe you want to explain why TPF surrendered to all of Karma and not just to those alliances? Look at the wording of Article 1 specifically. HINT: "and" means something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Then maybe you want to explain why TPF surrendered to all of Karma and not just to those alliances?Look at the wording of Article 1 specifically. HINT: "and" means something Because they were at war with 18 alliances and those were just the major ones, so they surrendered to the forces of Karma so there wasn't a listing of the 18 alliances in the thread, and then the signatures of all of those alliances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I thought spying wasn't a legit CB anymore. I think past arguments were that accepting information was not spying... and therefore not a legit CB... From what has been evidenced thus far, TPF fully infultrated yadda yadda, which I would considr a legit CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgator Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Happy Hunting Athens! Love that flag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der_ko Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Wow Im speechless, well said. LM should post more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Because they were at war with 18 alliances and those were just the major ones, so they surrendered to the forces of Karma so there wasn't a listing of the 18 alliances in the thread, and then the signatures of all of those alliances? My attorney says that the wording should have been more specific--Athens legal case ain't making it. I get why Athens is pissed, I would be pissed too (as I have stated elsewhere) if all the evidence that Athens has in hand is valid. But argument that Athens was never at war with TPF even though Athens was part of Karma isn't valid. A defacto state of war existed and TPF surrendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Then maybe you want to explain why TPF surrendered to all of Karma and not just to those alliances?Look at the wording of Article 1 specifically. HINT: "and" means something Signatures for The Phoenix Federation Airikr: Phoenix Magistrate Beernuts|Away: Phoenix Magistrate Desperado: Phoenix Magistrate Jbone: Phoenix Ember and Evil Overlord Emeritus Oneballman: Phoenix Ember and Evil Overlord Emeritus Kilkenny: Minister of War The Crimson King: Minster of Finance for Mushroom Kingdom King: Archon Prince: SirWilliam Lord High Treasurer: Azaghul Lord High Vanguard: babyjesus Lord High Envoy: potato Lord High Communicator: delendum Lord High Inductor: lebubu for Poison Clan Master Killer - Twisted The Right Hand Man - Pooks MoD - Syrik MoF - Don Fernando MoFA - Energizer MoIA - Mushi The Man - Trinity Hybrid Venom - Revelation Master of the Domain - Banslam for Federation of Buccaneers Runz - Pirate King Sagha - Pirate King Care Bear - Speaker of the Mast Oda - Speaker of the Crew for Nueva Vida Nelchael, Emperor Gebiv, Lord of War Hizzy, Lord of Brotherhood SpaceGhost, Lord of the Interior Shillelagh, Lord of the Exchequer for Greenland Republic Archon: Al Vice-Archon: Shamedmonkey Minister of Foreign Affairs: Ilselu1 Minister of Defence: Kestral Minister of Finance: Kosherness Minister of Interior: Acid Senate: Wurzel, Gn0x, Cripple, Jenker, Paulpig I also wish to note that CCC's signatures have not been included on this document, as they have opted to give TPF a white peace. can you tell me where you see Athens, Rok, Gremlins, Fark, or the other Karma alliance signatures please? i do not exactly see them. to my knowledge, in order to get peace you need an agreement that peace has been reached. it seems that if TPF was at war with all those other alliances, then they never received peace with those other alliances as there is no addendum like CCC gets due to giving white peace, nor are their signature on this peace treaty. so your argument actually allows for many alliances to have CBs against TPF as there never was peace signed between TPF and every other alliance involved in Karma. so are you sure you actually want to go with this argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 so your argument actually allows for many alliances to have CBs against TPF as there never was peace signed between TPF and every other alliance involved in Karma. so are you sure you actually want to go with this argument? You're missing the point. My assertion is that the document as worded grants TPF peace with all the alliances that were a member of the Karma coalition. Those that signed the document had formal DoWs (minus CCC but that is noted), but the lack of other signatures is irreverent. "And so, without further ado, as the Voice of Karma, I hereby declare an End of Hostilities in the Karma War, and present to Planet Bob the Instrument of Surrender for The Phoenix Federation" That is definitive, accepted by all concerned parties on Planet Bob, and irrevocable unless proof can be shown of treaty violations. There is no claim of treaty violation in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King MyLife Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Get em Athens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Where is the DoW against Zero Hour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Where is the DoW against Zero Hour? Try reading this thread and you'll figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 You're missing the point. My assertion is that the document as worded grants TPF peace with all the alliances that were a member of the Karma coalition. Those that signed the document had formal DoWs (minus CCC but that is noted), but the lack of other signatures is irreverent."And so, without further ado, as the Voice of Karma, I hereby declare an End of Hostilities in the Karma War, and present to Planet Bob the Instrument of Surrender for The Phoenix Federation" That is definitive, accepted by all concerned parties on Planet Bob, and irrevocable unless proof can be shown of treaty violations. There is no claim of treaty violation in this case. I wasn't aware that Archon had authority to negotiate surrender on behalf of uninvolved parties. Tell me, if it turned out TPF had been spying on, say, Valhalla, you'd accept TPF's blanket cessation of hostilities -- white peace -- as sufficient restitution for those actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Try reading this thread and you'll figure it out. And people wonder why speculation starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 I wasn't aware that Archon had authority to negotiate surrender on behalf of uninvolved parties. If only he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 And people wonder why speculation starts Because you don't read, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) Because you don't read, I know. Why do Athens allow people who infiltrated them to destroy them go unpunished? Edited December 27, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Why do Athens allow people who infiltrated them to destroy them go unpunished? Why do you care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Why do Athens allow people who infiltrated them to destroy them go unpunished? Try reading the thread and you'll find out. It's in about the first 10 or 15 pages. Here's a lamp for you, I think it goes well with your current line of thinking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hello Pacifica, I see you got a new name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hello Pacifica, I see you got a new name. An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 An apple a day keeps the doctor away. You said that earlier. Why are Athens letting ZH away with spying on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 You said that earlier. Why are Athens letting ZH away with spying on them? I said it to show that statements without anything to back it up are pretty much useless. Actually my statement has more of a backing than his does. Also: Try reading the thread and you'll find out. It's in about the first 10 or 15 pages.Here's a lamp for you, I think it goes well with your current line of thinking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) Hello Pacifica, I see you got a new name. Hello Ignorance. I see you in Banned. Edited December 27, 2009 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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