Dark Fist's reponse to NSO

[Cairna]

... and not to mention, this coming from someone on Brown sphere.

Please characterize the Brown Sphere for us.

If it's another GATO joke then please find me examples of GATO "whining" when they were ganged up on and forced into a very long Viceroyship.

I'll admit that the 57th and CoIN are particularly whiny, but that's about it.

We stated that we strongly believe a particular member of NSO - most likely youwish, attempted to get our forums spammed with porn/gore by requesting it on a popular imageboard and bumping the request with pornography.

Good spin, good spin.

And with regards to the evidence of the NSO giving an ultimatum, man, can I just say it's pretty weak?

He gave a time limit for discussions, and you guys noticed that the NSO mobilized for war?

Generally that's what happens when a widely hated alliance is accused of heinous actions. I mean generally these sort of crappy CB's DO result in wars. So I guess we have to give SCM some points for that.

[Ivan Moldavi]

If you want to turn this into a matter of opinion (which I am not against), then I will ask what makes yours any better than others. Double standards much?

We believe there was sufficient evidence to warrant an announcement.

As no new evidence or theories have come to light to suggest otherwise, yes we do*.

If you are going to make official accusations against another alliance then you need more than your opinion to back up those claims. That goes for me or anyone else. That is just common sense. You don't go around saying "someone is attacking our forum, hmm, let's see, NSO was having an issue with CSN so it must be them". What the Hell kind of logic is that?

You have no evidence. Period. You have an opinion. Opinions are not evidence by definition.

I have a new theory, maybe you did the attacks on your forum in order to frame NSO. Yes, that sounds completely logical and reasonable, based on your understanding apparently of those concepts. So I hereby declare that SCM attacked his own board and since it is my opinion that makes it fact and therefore true.

[Krunk the Great]

Wow that looks nice when you write it on paper but will you actually walk the walk....only time will tell..

Quit while you're behind.

[magicninja]

inb4 NSO asks for proof and this whole retarded cycle repeats

The hell with NSO. UED demands proof.

[Gecko]

LEAVE... NSO... ALLLOOOONNNNEEE!!!

[Skull]

<Doppelganger> All that being said, we want 500 tech and a public apology in the form of an OWF topic as restitution.

<Doppelganger> That, or come up with the proof that it was indeed an NSO member who tried to sic /b/ on your forum.

<Doppelganger> If you do the proof required, we will be more than happy to expel the culprit and you all can do what you must with them. We will wash our hands of the situation.

<Doppelganger> Either way, you have until update.

Screen Shot or that never happen and must be considered a fake

[Dochartaigh]

From WAE too..

i can honestly say that DF has taken up that mantle in light of the crap SCM is pulling.

[wickedj]

<Doppelganger> All that being said, we want 500 tech and a public apology in the form of an OWF topic as restitution.

<Doppelganger> That, or come up with the proof that it was indeed an NSO member who tried to sic /b/ on your forum.

<Doppelganger> If you do the proof required, we will be more than happy to expel the culprit and you all can do what you must with them. We will wash our hands of the situation.

<Doppelganger> Either way, you have until update.

Why, Daggarz, are you insinuating the honest and good NSO would DARE lie about threats?

[Corinan]

<Doppelganger> All that being said, we want 500 tech and a public apology in the form of an OWF topic as restitution.

<Doppelganger> That, or come up with the proof that it was indeed an NSO member who tried to sic /b/ on your forum.

<Doppelganger> If you do the proof required, we will be more than happy to expel the culprit and you all can do what you must with them. We will wash our hands of the situation.

<Doppelganger> Either way, you have until update.

Conveniently left off some pretty important stuff that came later in that conversation.

[Skull]

Quit while you're behind.

Crap did I jump ships? I didnt notice XD

[Penkala]

<Doppelganger> All that being said, we want 500 tech and a public apology in the form of an OWF topic as restitution.

<Doppelganger> That, or come up with the proof that it was indeed an NSO member who tried to sic /b/ on your forum.

<Doppelganger> If you do the proof required, we will be more than happy to expel the culprit and you all can do what you must with them. We will wash our hands of the situation.

<Doppelganger> Either way, you have until update.

This never happened. Or, if it did, it wasn't a threat, he just really wanted to get this solved in a timely manner (before update).

Also, CSN was never threatened. Corinan only stated a fact.

[Shodemofi-NPO]

If you want to turn this into a matter of opinion (which I am not against), then I will ask what makes yours any better than others. Double standards much?

Sorry, what? When you make an accusation the onus is on you to provide proof. You completely and utterly failed to do so. That doesn't make you opinion valid in any sense of the word.

Also, if we're going by sheer probability here, then their "opinion" is better than yours.

You: It was youwish.

Them: No it wasn't.

Looking at the numbers, they're "opinion" is better.

[Vilien]

Conveniently left off some pretty important stuff that came later in that conversation.

I assume it was something like "just kidding".

[wickedj]

Conveniently left off some pretty important stuff that came later in that conversation.

Please, sir, fill us in

[Ivan Moldavi]

<Doppelganger> All that being said, we want 500 tech and a public apology in the form of an OWF topic as restitution.

<Doppelganger> That, or come up with the proof that it was indeed an NSO member who tried to sic /b/ on your forum.

<Doppelganger> If you do the proof required, we will be more than happy to expel the culprit and you all can do what you must with them. We will wash our hands of the situation.

<Doppelganger> Either way, you have until update.

Yes, what is your point?

It is common to ask for an apology when some moron decides to post blatantly false accusations on a public board in hopes of getting your alliance rolled.

[Delta1212]

You know, if DF was doing this to any other alliance you all would be outraged. I've lost some respect for some leaders as a result of this situation.

I think it was universally agreed upon that DF's initial topic was horribly stupid. Had NSO left it at that, I think they could have walked out on a high note in this particular case.

When they went on to threaten war, failed to follow through, and then accepted an apology that didn't exist and generally acted like tools... Well, then they get mocked mercilessly. Sometimes, you need to know when to recognize your advantage and walk away.

[lakerzz8]

Defensive war. NSO issued a threat to attack DF, we would defend them to ZI and back

Offensive war. DF said they wanted NSO destroyed and made accusations with no proof.

Let's keep going!

[Ssiharaj]

I think it was universally agreed upon that DF's initial topic was horribly stupid. Had NSO left it at that, I think they could have walked out on a high note in this particular case.

When they went on to threaten war, failed to follow through, and then accepted an apology that didn't exist and generally acted like tools... Well, then they get mocked mercilessly. Sometimes, you need to know when to recognize your advantage and walk away.

or the spying topic

Edited December 24, 2009 by Ssiharaj

[Krunk the Great]

Crap did I jump ships? I didnt notice XD

Every post you make in here lowers OMFG's public opinion. You don't want to be the man responsible for making your alliance noticed in negative light now do you?

[Daikos]

Screen Shot or that never happen and must be considered a fake

I am eagerly awaiting a screenshot of the apology that you claim we give. Since none exists I think I'll be waiting a while.

I'm not sure who you are trying to fool Moldavi but this has to be the most pathetic thing I've seen in my entire Cybernations career.

[Aeternalis]

Someone is going to sleep crying tonight, and I bet it's someone who's delusional enough to think he can use the force.

[Ivan Moldavi]

Why, Daggarz, are you insinuating the honest and good NSO would DARE lie about threats?

I see. So are you saying that you also adhere to the SCM logic that dictates that any opinion justifies seeking to get an alliance rolled on the OWF?

[Starcraftmazter]

Here is a log of the time that Corinan began his discussion with me. At that time very little was said, only the demands for reparations and an apology I believe.

I got messaged by the STA MoFA, who said amongst other things the following:

[11:08:58] <pezstar> Hi there,.

[11:09:05] <pezstar> I'm STA's FM. Can we please talk for a moment?

[11:09:10] <pezstar> It's pretty pressing.

[11:11:31] <Starcraftmazter> well i just woke up

[11:11:32] <Starcraftmazter> but yes

[11:11:58] <pezstar> Are you aware of the ultimatum NSO gave you guys?

[11:12:10] <pezstar> Oh. Doppelganger is talking to you

[11:12:13] <Starcraftmazter> i was just informed a minute ago

[11:12:21] <Starcraftmazter> well i woke up a minute ago

[11:13:17] <pezstar> *nods*

[11:14:05] <pezstar> We at STA are really not enthusiasic about going to war over this.

I apologise in advance to STA if they did not wish this log to be made public, however I only posted the relevant section, and if Moldavi did not blatantly deny what is so obvious, this would not have been necessary.

In addition, in my discussions with other STA and NpO officials, war was mentioned multiple times, and at no point did they say that this situation does not involve the threat of war - even though they've had many opportunities to do so.

So I will say this Moldavi, if your own allies believed this situation could result in war, then why are you calling us idiots for thinking that as well? Are STA idiots? Are NpO idiots?

Ball's in your court, champ.

[rusty]

if its so bad attack if not play monoply

[Ivan Moldavi]

I think it was universally agreed upon that DF's initial topic was horribly stupid. Had NSO left it at that, I think they could have walked out on a high note in this particular case.

When they went on to threaten war, failed to follow through, and then accepted an apology that didn't exist and generally acted like tools... Well, then they get mocked mercilessly. Sometimes, you need to know when to recognize your advantage and walk away.

No.

No war was threatened. Simply because you lack proper reading comprehension skills does not make you correct, no matter how many times you state it.