Sileath Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well, one of the big indicators is that it was your alliance's leader. Or do leaders not represent their alliances anymore...? Sorum is our Consigliere - MoFA. He is not the Godfather, that is BlackjackCF, our Underboss is Magicalbricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well, one of the big indicators is that it was your alliance's leader. Or do leaders not represent their alliances anymore...? Only when they $%&@ up. Which they clearly didn't do this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sorum is our Consigliere - MoFA. He is not the Godfather, that is BlackjackCF, our Underboss is Magicalbricks. I realized that and revised my post. Please re-read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I like how our alliance attacking other alliance consists of ONE war declared by ONE person.I'm pretty sure if we were hell-bent on starting a war we would have brought out more people than ONE person. you do realize that wars in CN have been conducted for far less of a reason. your leader attacked an alliance with allies. that is a Casus Belli if i have ever seen one. I am certain if alliance A's leader were to attack the leader of any major alliance and then Alliance A were to conduct diplomacy in the same manner as tF, Alliance A would be a smudge by now. Just because you feel it is a tech raid means absolutely nothing. i now wish that IAA had tech raiding rules to allow me to tech raid tF. i will declare on one person with Tech Raid-PM for peace in my DoW and expect that not a single other person in tF will aid the victim. Though i doubt that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I like how our alliance attacking other alliance consists of ONE war declared by ONE person.I'm pretty sure if we were hell-bent on starting a war we would have brought out more people than ONE person. Why does amount matter? One of your nations declared war, it's called war. Hahaha, breaking deals. Where is your honor, tF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 That's definitely one thing RV conveniently forgot to mention. No. I stated from the beginning that I saw this as an alliance matter. You supported Sorum entirely. You aided him, and you said you would protect him from any non-FAIL attackers. Seeing as how FAIL has no one else in his range, we would of course had to go to our allies to receive assistance. Your sheltering him from the consequences of his attack is support for his attack on the head of state of a sovereign alliance. Is that so hard to understand? And go on all you want about how we are not an alliance. I do not care and it does not change the way I view this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I support The Family. This whole situation is annoying, and they have the strength to end it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asriel Belacqua Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I like how our alliance attacking other alliance consists of ONE war declared by ONE person.I'm pretty sure if we were hell-bent on starting a war we would have brought out more people than ONE person. The key word in that quote I have bolded for everyone to see. I am not what you call a "fan" of RV's, and thought that tF might have been a respectable alliance until these last few events. RV has just won points from me, a possible medal or 17, and tF has lost any respect they could have had. Your guys in FA need to learn something. By the way, yes I do support FAIL and GDI in this endeavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I like how our alliance attacking other alliance consists of ONE war declared by ONE person.I'm pretty sure if we were hell-bent on starting a war we would have brought out more people than ONE person. lol This is the same line we used when we were trying to start GWII by attacking New Reverie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 No. I stated from the beginning that I saw this as an alliance matter. You supported Sorum entirely. You aided him, and you said you would protect him from any non-FAIL attackers. Seeing as how FAIL has no one else in his range, we would of course had to go to our allies to receive assistance. Your sheltering him from the consequences of his attack is support for his attack on the head of state of a sovereign alliance. Is that so hard to understand?And go on all you want about how we are not an alliance. I do not care and it does not change the way I view this situation. We supported the right of Sorum to tech raid, and made it clear that any action taken against him would not result in reprisals from tF. Instead of GDI attacking Sorum, they had BEEF, and took their BEEF out on uninvolved tF members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I support The Family. This whole situation is annoying, and they have the strength to end it. heh. the might makes right philosophy. now i truly wish that i could tech raid tF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 You aided him Quit the propaganda. The aid to Sorum was prior to the tech raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 lolThis is the same line we used when we were trying to start GWII by attacking New Reverie. I can actually back this up completely. We used that very same excuse. Those were some good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodivine Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I support The Family. This whole situation is annoying, and they have the strength to end it. This isn't a might makes right situation. This is where The Family has totally shanked the kick off and should of called time out and ended the game before the first kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 heh. the might makes right philosophy. now i truly wish that i could tech raid tF... It's not that might makes right. It's that might will finally punish RV and his supporters. I'm sick of seeing his threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 We supported the right of Sorum to tech raid, and made it clear that any action taken against him would not result in reprisals from tF.Instead of GDI attacking Sorum, they had BEEF, and took their BEEF out on uninvolved tF members. Let me translate that for you. "We supported Sorum in his war against an alliance, and we don't want to be held accountable for the actions of our MoFA" Is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Let me translate that for you. "We supported Sorum in his war against an alliance, and we don't want to be held accountable for the actions of our MoFA"Is that it? We supported the fact that our charter allows our members to tech raid, and weren't going to expel Sorum for raiding This does not mean we supported the idea of Sorum raiding RV, or that we were going to defend him militarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) I can actually back this up completely. We used that very same excuse.Those were some good times. It brings back the memories doesn’t it? I’m glad people read their history to see the proper way to start wars. We supported the fact that our charter allows our members to tech raid, and weren't going to expel Sorum for raidingThis does not mean we supported the idea of Sorum raiding RV, or that we were going to defend him militarily. Yet here you are defending Sorums actions. So what is it? Edited August 10, 2009 by Master-Debater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's not that might makes right. It's that might will finally punish RV and his supporters. I'm sick of seeing his threads. I am fairly well educated in these matters and I do not think that damage to his nation has any impact on his ability to make threads. Actually the correlation seems to go the opposite way you think: when his nation is under attack he makes more threads. You should be hoping for an amicable peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 We supported the right of Sorum to tech raid, and made it clear that any action taken against him would not result in reprisals from tF.Instead of GDI attacking Sorum, they had BEEF, and took their BEEF out on uninvolved tF members. Did you just ignore everything I just said? I told you I viewed this as an act of war by your alliance from the very beginning. Just because you can't wrap your head around that simple fact doesn't make it any less valid in my eyes. I tried diplomacy, and I was blown off for several days, and when I finally managed to get into a room with your leaders, I was met with nothing but hostility. What would you have me do? Beg for mercy and let you get away with what you had done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanGDI Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's not that might makes right. It's that might will finally punish RV and his supporters. I'm sick of seeing his threads. Allow me to draw it out: GDI nations under 10k NS: 33TF nations under 10k NS: 9 That's really all that matters. All of TF's firepower is out of reach, henceforth useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodivine Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's not that might makes right. It's that might will finally punish RV and his supporters. I'm sick of seeing his threads. While I agree with you on seeing these threads. It still doesn't make the situation any better or need to be taken into a might makes right. The Family needs to bend over and reach way back behind their legs and pull their brains out of their backsides. And may be if when they do so the whole world of Planet Bob just might here the loud pop as it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's not that might makes right. It's that might will finally punish RV and his supporters. I'm sick of seeing his threads. I support RV. do you truly think the Family will take me on? cuz honestly, i have been trying to provoke them this whole thread. That one tF member who stated that no one can get away with insulting Sorum or the Family has yet to answer me on whether he or anyone in tF will attack me for insulting tF. nor has anyone else in tF. the only member with any sort of cajones in tF was Sargun and he left. so it looks like Sargun effectively neutered tF. so much for mafioso. come on, i like seafood. and yes, this is totally a might makes right maneuver and you stated as much in your post of support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrazil Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 It might be time to "go to the matresses" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 We supported the fact that our charter allows our members to tech raid, and weren't going to expel Sorum for raidingThis does not mean we supported the idea of Sorum raiding RV, or that we were going to defend him militarily. So it's okay for your government to start wars with other alliances and call them tech raids, and you don't want to be held accountable when your Minister of Foreign Affairs is declaring wars on other alliances while wearing your AA and being recognized by you as a government member? Learn the concept of Responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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