King Srqt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 That is it. Im pretty sure TPF has been given terms. Whether they accept or not is not MK's wrong doing. I gathered from Mhawk earlier that MK was not at all standing in the way of TPF getting peace, I still don't get why alterego quoting SC is so funny.... maybe i'm just slow on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEsus Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well, yeah, but when monsters give birth... chances are... it's a monster. D'uh! Anyway, I hope that Pacifica will not take revenge as its foremost lesson from this war. But that is a choice they ultimately make. Whether you agree or disagree with the terms, peace has been agreed upon, and it is a decision whether or not to become a monster or pursue revenge. We can only prepare for whatever course the future takes. Although I am; as no doubt many other Pacificans; flattered by this paranoia regarding revenge, there is the small matter of a seven figure sum to be paid, by not many nations, the rebuilding of an alliance where two thirds are now well down in the lower tiers, 6 months of diplomatic isolation, low morale by bored banks, the likely exodus as most alliance experience after major wars and other factors to consider before anyone would even consider looking at 'revenge'. The figures are just so huge. I'm still not convinced its doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I gathered from Mhawk earlier that MK was not at all standing in the way of TPF getting peace, I still don't get why alterego quoting SC is so funny....maybe i'm just slow on this one. Because everything involving Alterego is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Because everything involving Alterego is funny. OOC: Then you guys need to stop bullying him in every post of every thread and grow up. Edited July 20, 2009 by The AUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hed Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) o/ =LOST= o/ Karma o/ Peace Edited July 20, 2009 by Lord Hed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveNewWorld Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Now I didn't realize that this happened to Polaris.I'll be consistent here - that shouldn't have happened to you guys either. /me takes more notes. Thank you, I don't think it should have happened to us either, which is why I am ambivalent about these terms. On one hand, I hate to see Karma continue to set precedence for these sort of revenge-seeking terms (though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as quite a few of these alliances are the same ones that dealt Polaris her "karma"). But on the other hand, I can remember quite clearly Moo berating us during peace negotiations, telling us how we deserved our harsh terms for acting so poorly during the war and hiding our banks in peace mode. While watching him bleed in the same manner that he (and others) forced us to do will not give Polaris her tech back, on some petty level it brings me satisfaction. I am trying to tell myself that these terms for Pacifica are unfair...but I can't quite bring myself to do it yet, the wounds have not fully healed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I gathered from Mhawk earlier that MK was not at all standing in the way of TPF getting peace, I still don't get why alterego quoting SC is so funny....maybe i'm just slow on this one. It's because he's really out of the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niedalry Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 o/ Pacifica Congrats on peace (seems odd to say that I know). Anyway good luck, I look forward to seeing your terms end in 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriegsdrachen Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 As much as we have done in the past, I truly think the Pacific Order has been humbled by this experience. We now know we are not invincible, and regardless of what people opposed to us will always say, I believe that we will not seek revenge as we have in the past. As far as the "not saying we have been defeated" part, I don't think even Sir Paul could spin this war into a victory for Pacifica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) OOC: Then you guys need to stop bullying him in every post of every thread and grow up. OOC: Are you freaking serious? Do you know Alterego's and my history at all? If he takes a post like that, coming from me, seriously at all then Ill be surprised. Also, yeah, Im definitely a big mean bully and I do nothing but hurt his feelings and he does nothing but send me flowers and compliments my dress. Get out of here. Edited July 20, 2009 by Stumpy Jung Il Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Although I am; as no doubt many other Pacificans; flattered by this paranoia regarding revenge, there is the small matter of a seven figure sum to be paid, by not many nations, the rebuilding of an alliance where two thirds are now well down in the lower tiers, 6 months of diplomatic isolation, low morale by bored banks, the likely exodus as most alliance experience after major wars and other factors to consider before anyone would even consider looking at 'revenge'. The figures are just so huge. I'm still not convinced its doable. 7 figures? check again matey, thats an 11 digit number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 OOC: Are you freaking serious? Do you know Alterego's and my history at all? If he takes a post like that, coming from me, seriously at all then Ill be surprised. Also, yeah, Im definitely a big mean bully and I do nothing but hurt his feelings and he does nothing but send me flowers and compliments my dress. Get out of here. that's a very pretty dress, would you like some flowers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 that's a very pretty dress, would you like some flowers? I only accept pink roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) o/ NPO, Pacifica will rebuild and become a great empire again. o/ Karma as well. A shout to out to karma nations. You guys were great opponents. Edited July 20, 2009 by London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 o/ NPO, Pacifica will rebuild and become a great empire again. Pacifica hasnt been an empire since it fell out of grace with the blue colony and let go of the brown and purple one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Wait a minute. I thought Karma was the monster? I think we're the monster that the Hegemony created that has in turn created a new monster that will be so brutal that not even all the little monsters the NPO created before can stop it. A year from now. Or something. As for the who gets what part of this, it was more important to Karma Command to end the war in a way that was not repeating mistakes, while at the same time, not creating new ones. This took considerable thought, and how to divy up the money has not been the most critical item as a result of this. I'd imagine it will come out soon now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I only accept pink roses. anything for you sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just a quick shout out to my NPO opponents from the first wave: Geoffron X Grand General Zadrek aphan9 It was fun /me raises a glass "here's to rebuilding" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Jung Il Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 anything for you sweetheart. It feels like prom night all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drostan Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Although I am; as no doubt many other Pacificans; flattered by this paranoia regarding revenge, there is the small matter of a seven figure sum to be paid, by not many nations, the rebuilding of an alliance where two thirds are now well down in the lower tiers, 6 months of diplomatic isolation, low morale by bored banks, the likely exodus as most alliance experience after major wars and other factors to consider before anyone would even consider looking at 'revenge'. The figures are just so huge. I'm still not convinced its doable. You have taken a very unorthodox approach to reading, my friend. The details you state here only highlight the reasons for not making revenge a primary goal. This logic extends to the countless nations who have ruined themselves in rogue pursuit of vengeance. Though some may have relished the destruction of NPO nations, not everyone felt this way who fought. But what is done is done. My goal is merely to urge people to look toward the future with caution and circumspection rather than firey-eyed hatred. For alliances across Planet Bob, it is a time to focus inward after many of us spent so much time looking and fighting abroad. A heavy price has been paid (is being paid) and I would like to believe that it has not been entirely in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Not even give him any attention?Come now, Archon, at least be honest with yourself in admitting you only are giving the attention seeker his sustenance. I'm embarrassed to admit I had just asked someone else not to come in and back me up for that very self-same reason. In GWIII, Aegis was winning militarily. Initiative alliances were surrendering left and right. Had it continued, however, it would have left the remaining Aegis alliances weaker than the surrendered Initiative, leasing to an eventual WUT victory that would have lasted forever. NAAC and LUE saw this and disbanded, dispersing over a wide area as part of a greater strategy. Is it a coincidence that MK's creation helped sour relations between NPO and GOONS? That Almighty Grub is now emperor of NpO while Archon was the figurehead of a coalition that this time had such overwhelming force centered on NPO that they couldn't be disadvantaged by continuing to fight.Clearly Aegis could easily have won GWIII, but they decided on a much more intelligent strategic withdrawl that culminated in ultimate victory. This is positively brilliant, by the way. A few liner notes: MK has no intention of disbanding TPF, so please get that flight of fancy out of here. It would be improper to give further information as to what holdups exists in peace talks and why they do, but needless to say there is healthy and constructive conversation going on in the necessary areas to get this thing sealed and done. Sorry hawk_11, but I really don't think "Big Bad Pacifica" is going to come knocking anywhere anytime soon. And most the people who do are fools. It would be strategically flawed to do anything other than sit back and let everyone beat each other while you quietly rebuild and gather a small but strong cadre...otherwise known as what you did last time you were in this position. You just need a longer time to rebuild is all. Annnnndd as for that quote of me floating around about no draconian terms, in my own opinion these terms are not draconian. I'll note that opinion is not necessarily the minority either, judging from replies in this thread. And ultimately, the words cast around are mine alone, so that doesn't exactly make me a liar. That Karma became a more decentralized entity is actually the fault of the microalliances that joined the coalition, and if you want to blame anyone for perceived harsh terms, blame them - they are the ones who caused any sort of rift that forbade any central authority from enforcing any opening ideals. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got one last peace to negotiate before I can finally fetch my lawn chair and sit down for a good, long rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 It feels like prom night all over again. it burns when you pee? oh... that's how it feels "after" prom night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Now if you'll excuse me, I've got one last peace to negotiate before I can finally fetch my lawn chair and sit down for a good, long rest. Take it. You need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 When was the Emperor in peace mode. I believe he was ZI'd. and fought hard. Given I am in a squad with him and saw him every update fighting. But hey. A guy on the OUTSIDE would know better. Ignorance is bliss. Sir, you took the words right out of my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) It feels like prom night all over again. That'd compliment my pink dress so well. For NPO and Karma, you can have the daisies. Edited July 20, 2009 by The AUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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