youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Well then you have achieved nothing here. Despicable. HOW DARE US THINK DIFFERENTLY AND DISAGREE WITH CN'S FABRICATED STANDARDS TO RIGHT AND WRONG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Well then you have achieved nothing here. Despicable. I'm not really sure what point if any you're trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) So let me get this straight. Ivan is apologizing for the tone and text of the message but not the message itself. GPA accepts this apology and settles with it. To me that sounds like GPA is totally happy with other alliances recruiting from their nations. Edited July 4, 2009 by kriekfreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 I'm not really sure what point if any you're trying to make. The point is that your alliance conducts itself in a very dishonourable manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 The point is that your alliance conducts itself in a very dishonourable manner. For thinking differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 For thinking differently? For conducting actions which the majority disprove of, because they are wrong. OOC: By your analogy, committing crimes isn't wrong because most people consider them unacceptable - it's just "thinking differently". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 For conducting actions which the majority disprove of, because they are wrong.By your analogy, committing crimes isn't wrong because most people consider them unacceptable - it's just "thinking differently". Until you put in a world government and start making laws for all of all of us to follow, things here are often going to be more chaotic than you would like. What are you going to do next? Will you as the self proclaimed leader of majority start setting speed limits for us to follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 For conducting actions which the majority disprove of, because they are wrong.OOC: By your analogy, committing crimes isn't wrong because most people consider them unacceptable - it's just "thinking differently". Who is the majority to say what is wrong or right? OOC: That is a very bad analogy, because not all crimes are bad or wrong in many people's eyes. IC: Whatever though, I guess we'll be moving your alliance down on our list to develop a treaty with... Oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Until you put in a world government and start making laws for all of all of us to follow, things here are often going to be more chaotic than you would like. What are you going to do next? Will you as the self proclaimed leader of majority start setting speed limits for us to follow? When did I proclaim to be the leader of any majority? I don't recall making any such proclamations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 When did I proclaim to be the leader of any majority? I don't recall making any such proclamations. Are you trying to dodge his point, or are you just that thick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 When did I proclaim to be the leader of any majority? I don't recall making any such proclamations. For someone claiming to not represent the majority, you sure are making a lot of statements about what the majority thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Just by saying something is unnecessary turns people off. It gets into one's head. Talk is good and should be encouraged. Even if you don't want to hear it doesn't mean others don't want to speak it. Some would say it was Heft's opinion, you know, the thing you seem to believe everyone should be allowed to voice. See we can all play this circular argument if you like. I guess the jabbering about the founding of Polaris, the Polar Wars and the Citrus War go to show that most people posting really don't care about the issue of recruitment from alliances or the fact the issue was resolved to the satisfaction of the alliances involved. It is just another platform to whine about ancient history and cry into your beers about Ivan being a big meanie. I guess it is therapeutic for some to vent about these things as often as they can. I didn't agree with the sending of the recruitment messages to members of neutral alliances so I'm pleased to see that the issue is resolved so we can all move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wa Mu Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Some would say it was Heft's opinion, you know, the thing you seem to believe everyone should be allowed to voice. See we can all play this circular argument if you like. When I read it, it seemed like he was asking everyone to stop talking about the topic and proceeded to say why people should. The reason why may be opinion, but he still tried to stop debate. So, OK, I shouldn't question his opinion. That was wrong of me, but debate should still be encouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerius Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Apologizing for the wording and stating you won't do it again is one thing, apologizing for the sending of the message in the first place is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 They are only sorry they were met with such a negative reaction. When the blocs NS is more robust I expect to see them test the water once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 They are only sorry they were met with such a negative reaction. When the blocs NS is more robust I expect to see them test the water once more. And i expect their allies to punch some sense into them. If they continue this path, FB is in for an "interesting" time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 When I read it, it seemed like he was asking everyone to stop talking about the topic and proceeded to say why people should. The reason why may be opinion, but he still tried to stop debate. So, OK, I shouldn't question his opinion. That was wrong of me, but debate should still be encouraged. You didn't question his opinion, you inferred he should not have shared it which was ironic considering what you were talking about. They are only sorry they were met with such a negative reaction. When the blocs NS is more robust I expect to see them test the water once more. ChairmanHal predicts the future far more accurately than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chill I Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 While the New Sith Order will never fully conform to the wills and wishes of the status quo we recognize the need to occasionally temper our zeal with the current realities of the Cyberverse and we recognize that while we may disagree with the philosophies of other alliances we can at least recognize their right to exist alongside us.For my part, so long as I am Dark Lord of the Sith, the New Sith Order will not, until the conventions of the past are cast away abroad, seek to recruit from other sovereign alliances unless those alliances seek to recruit from us first. I got a new banner for your cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 I got a new banner for your cause. This doesn't seem to be within signature regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chill I Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) This doesn't seem to be within signature regulations. Probably because its not one. Or maybe you can be really non-conformist and still use it as one. Edited July 4, 2009 by King Chill I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Probably because its not one. This is unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wa Mu Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 You didn't question his opinion, you inferred he should not have shared it which was ironic considering what you were talking about. So I did. Oh well, we all make mistakes. I'll just have to learn from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaera Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 When interalliance norms are incorrect, it is correct to challenge them. Whose job is it to define correctness? Claiming it is yours is a sign of complete and total arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyFallout Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 So basically, this is what you did Ivan. "Hey dudes, sorry for the use of a lot of bad words when I decided that I'm gonna let my boys do whatever the heck they wanted. I don't care what they did, but sorry for the bad words being used." I wouldn't consider that an apology GPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Whose job is it to define correctness? Claiming it is yours is a sign of complete and total arrogance. The truth wiill set you free. But first it will piss you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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