Malatose Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Secret IC: With general mobilization now in full swing in the Greater German Länder, the Reich Nordic Military High Command ordered general deployments to begin to the "destination" areas. Some 150,000 German Länder soldiers began to board high-speed trains, which were destined for Nordheim. There, they would deploy to special rendezvous points to meet up with Nordic Nordheimer Länder forces. Because these men were apart of Panzergrenadier and Panzer divisions, their equipment would mostly consist of self-propelled artillery, Panzer VII Tanks and various other mobile equipment. The Luftwaffe, following the general mobilization of ground forces, formed Luftflotte Nord and Luftflotte Skandinavien. Luftflotte Norden would consist of fifteen Air Superiority Squadrons, plus assorted mobile surface to air missile regiments. It's task would be guarding the skies. Luftflotte Skandinavien would consist of six heavy bomber squadrons and ten multi-role fighter squadrons. It's main task would be interdiction and heavy support of the ground advance. Of course, air assets in the form of AWACs and electronic warfare aircraft would be deployed to monitor air activity. Edited June 10, 2009 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 SIC The German military units have begun to reach their destination and are now moving to their positions. The heavy equipment has also begun to arrive, in the form of the Marder II Infantry Fighting Vehicle and the Panzer VII Battle Tanks. Further mobilization for offensive actions will take a further week, as the proper logistic supply chains have to be established, et cetera. In addition, a number of seige weapons were being deployed to the front. One such weapon was a "new 80 cm" railway guns. The gun was a blast to the past. Essentially, it was a heavily modified version of the Schwerer Gustav Railway gun. Just like modern systems, it would now rely on GPS and various other guidance systems to ensure maximum accuracy. More than anything, this would be used a psychological weapon, to crush the enemies spirits. Weight 1,350 tonnes Length 47.3 m Barrel length 32.48 m (L/40.6) Width 7.1 m Height 11.6 m Caliber 800 mm(31.5in) Elevation Max of 48° Rate of fire 1 round every 30 to 45 minutes or typically 14 rounds a day Muzzle velocity 820 m/s (HE); 720 m/s (AP) Effective range about 39 km Maximum range 48 km (HE); 38 km (AP) The shells would be Octa Nitro Cubane enchanced High Explosive Shells. The Luftwaffe would also rely on new weapons, such as a Massive Ordnance Penetrator, capable of penetrating, 200 feet (60 m) of 5,000 psi (35 MPa) reinforced concrete, 26 ft (8 m) of 10,000 psi (69 MPa) reinforced concrete, or 130 feet (40 m) of moderately hard rock. THis would mostly be used to strike underground facilities, such as possible fuel dumps, et cetera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 **Secret** Following the Orders from Nordlandic Command and the mobilization in the North the Phoenician Armed Forces were ordered on high alert 450,000 Soldiers were Ordered to go to their bases of which 100,000 were transported to Nordheim. In the other departments the Air Force was prepared and the Special Weapons arsenal put on Lower Alert. All Defenses were activated even those on Provincial Borders to ensure no assault even an airborne would succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Classified Movements 3 15, 000 man airborne divisions had been moved into position via air borne delivery along with 4 brigades of air cavalry, these forces were trained in fighting in harshest conditions and small unit manuvering, they would be reinforcing the bases in Prussia and Nordheim and ready to launch at the request of the German high command to reinforce their front. Additionally two rapid deployment mechanized infantry division with artillery brigades (200 self propelled artillery each attached) would be arriving in Nordheim's rear lines to reinforce it with heavy weapons. 4 Bear Attack Vehicle Brigades (400 vehicles total) would be moved into the rear line of Nordheim as well to reinforce it. Meanwhile two Crimean Wolf Battle Carriers and their escorts of 4 Marx Class Nuclear Battleships, 2 Stalin Class Stealth Battlecruisers (equipped with Anti-ship mid range MaRV Ballistic Missiles), and two Sea Serpent Destroyers was dispatched to the region and would be arriving in several days. Northern Airfields in the Crimean Soviet were placed on high alert with necessary flights ready to launch. Edited June 10, 2009 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 OOC: I can see it's just going to be another "bomb everything ignore reality" war. Carpet bombing is with lots of cheap bombs. Modern bombing is high-precision really expensive bombs. You combine the two, chances are you can't afford bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 As Nordheimer Infrastructure and Industry grew, new units created in Northern Nordland (As redundant as it sounds) have been assigned to further fortify the Übersteinian border, assigning a very large amount of troops to the task after the government noticed an unstable atmosphere. OOC: I've yet to calculate the troop numbers...maybe after pizza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) OOC: I can see it's just going to be another "bomb everything ignore reality" war. Carpet bombing is with lots of cheap bombs. Modern bombing is high-precision really expensive bombs. You combine the two, chances are you can't afford bullets. OOC: Ah yes, so all the precision bombing the US does and it can't afford bullets. Precision Guided Munitions usually run at $10 million. For example, In the Gulf War the total cost of the approximately 2,000 tons of laser-guided bombs dropped by the F-117A force was roughly $146 million. Global Positioning System-Aided Munitions (GAMs) usually run at $18,000 a piece, according to the stuff I've read. Now, Cruise Missiles are alot more expensive..of course. http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/paper53.htm < -- Interesting article on the cost of guided munitions. I have more if you'd like to read. JDAMs smart munitions are even cheaper. Each kit sells for about $20,000. Warheads and fuses bring the cost to $24,000 apiece. The Small Diameter Bomb cost around between $90,000 per unit or more. Some TV guided bombs cost upwards to one million. So no..smart munitions are not that expensive. They're actually getting cheaper thanks to the advances in computer technology. Edited June 11, 2009 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Confederation Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Five taskforces of GROM tactical preparedness units have been placed on high alert, ready to deploy anywhere in the world in a matter of hours. At the same time, 3rd and 4th Corps of the Armored Calvary, and Army Group Beoluve deployed near Nordheim. Army Group Beoluve consisted of a theatre of 800,000 men, 4000 tanks, 60 attack helicopters and ground support fighter/interceptors. The Kriegsmarine has established a trade blockade on all shipment to the Republic of Mariehemm in the Baltic, and has begun patrolling all conventional and most unconventional shipping lanes. Sonar and Radar connection has been established near Mariehemm along with Satellite Monitoring of shipping ports. Any ships departing for or leaving from Mariehemm will be hailed, intercepted and inspected. Meanwhile, the Luftwaffe has been placed on high alert, with bombing and security teams on runway. Nuclear infrastructure has been secured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 OOC: Ah yes, so all the precision bombing the US does and it can't afford bullets. Precision Guided Munitions usually run at $10 million. For example, In the Gulf War the total cost of the approximately 2,000 tons of laser-guided bombs dropped by the F-117A force was roughly $146 million. Global Positioning System-Aided Munitions (GAMs) usually run at $18,000 a piece, according to the stuff I've read. Now, Cruise Missiles are alot more expensive..of course. http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/paper53.htm < -- Interesting article on the cost of guided munitions. I have more if you'd like to read. JDAMs smart munitions are even cheaper. Each kit sells for about $20,000. Warheads and fuses bring the cost to $24,000 apiece. The Small Diameter Bomb cost around between $90,000 per unit or more. Some TV guided bombs cost upwards to one million. So no..smart munitions are not that expensive. They're actually getting cheaper thanks to the advances in computer technology. OOC: All that, and you completely ignored the most important phrase in his post If you combine the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 OOC: All that, and you completely ignored the most important phrase in his post OOC: The NATO intervention into Kosovo did combine the two, sending Serbia at least thirty years back industry-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: The NATO intervention into Kosovo did combine the two, sending Serbia at least thirty years back industry-wise. OOC: Not to mention the war in Afghanistan, in which the US used extensive carpet bombing from B-52 Bombers and precision bombing from B-2s, et cetera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: Honestly a super large economy such as Nordland probably has 3-5% of its federal budget spent on military. They, like all first world military powers can afford a LOT of munitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: Not to mention the war in Afghanistan, in which the US used extensive carpet bombing from B-52 Bombers and precision bombing from B-2s, et cetera. OOC: The NATO intervention into Kosovo did combine the two, sending Serbia at least thirty years back industry-wise. OOC: And how much did that cost to carpet bomb using smart bombs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) OOC: And how much did that cost to carpet bomb using smart bombs? OOC: They weren't smart bombs. They were conventional/dumb bombs, of course. Also read the link I posted on the standard cost of smart munitions. Edited June 12, 2009 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: They weren't smart bombs. They were conventional/dumb bombs, of course. OOC: And Uber was talking about how expensive using smart bombs to carpet-bomb would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: And Uber was talking about how expensive using smart bombs to carpet-bomb would be. OOC: Who said we were going to do that? Also, again, smart munitions aren't that expensive even *if* we decided to go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 OOC: Look, as long as Nordland doesn't puke out bombs like the carpet bombing of WW2, they can afford to be something like the Modern United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Martens Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Den Heer Nordheims ------------------ Panzerkorps: 3,545 Einherjar: 360,552 Luftstriedkräfte: 80 Squadrons level 7 All infantry is Motorized. -------------- Einherjar: 1.LKM "Heiliga Valkyrjur" Infantry: 60,092 (Elite) Auxgroup:Heavy Tank "Magnhild Valkyrie" 2.NHK "Heilige Aesir" Infantry: 60,092 Auxgroup:Heavy TDAG "Visari" 3.NHK Einherjar "Silver Siegteið" (Silver October) Infantry: 60,092 Auxgroup: SPFLAK "Þambarschelf" 4.NHK Einherjar "Stohrnordland" Infantry: 60,092 Auxgroup: SPG "Bismarck" 5.NHK Einherjar "Totenkopf" Infantry: 60,092 Auxgroup: IFV "Herrman" 6.ÞKH "Wulfheðnar" (Wulfhednar) Infantry: 60,092 Auxgroup: Marksman/Sniper "Frolov" ------------ Panzerkorps: 5.LKM sPzAb "Wiking" Panzers: 887 (Elite) Auxgroup: Heavy Tank "Kaiser Martens" 8.NPH PzAb "Þonnars Macht" (Donnars Macht) Panzers: 886 Auxgroup: Heavy TDAG "Mirificus" 9.NPH PzAb "Wodans Heer" Panzers: 886 Auxgroup: SPFLAK "Gungnir" 10.NPH lPzAb "Rommel" Panzers: 886 Auxgroup: SPG "Josef von Griechenland" ------------ Luftstriedkräfte: 960 Aircraft Total 360 Bombers - 600 Fighters Fighters: KG "Hildebrand" (200) Fighter-bombers KG "Asa-akr" (200) Interceptors KG "von Richthofen" (200) Elite Fighters Bombers: BG "Gunther" (120) Carpet Bombers BG "von Danzig" (120) Tactical Bombers BG "Raven Banner" (120) Heavy Bombers ------------- Nordheimiske Racketervaffer: -FOAB types (Massive explosives) V13 Ragnarök Missiles -Bunkerbuster types (Specialized) V14 Varangian Missiles -Precision types (Less explosives) V15 Mjöllnir Missiles -Spy types (With high speed cameras) V16 Mimir Missiles -SDI Defensive Missiles V17 Perun Missiles -V18 Valkyrie Missiles (Nuclear) -------------- The military information of the Nordheimer Land has been updated. The new units reportedly are moving to man the fortifications at the Übersteinian border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) SIC The Greater German Lander had finished deployment to the Nordheim-RoM border regions. Essentially, the German military would deploy an array of soldiers for the battle, if needed. Two Fallschirmjäger AirMobile Divisions (15,000 Troops Each). Each consist of the following: *Parachute Rifle Regiment *Parachute Rifle Regiment *Parachute Rifle Regiment *Artillery Battalion (6 120mm mortars) *Anti-tank Battalion (ATGM) *Anti-Air Battalion (9 FIM-339A "Star Flare" Man-Portable Air Defence System) *Engineer Batallion + Assorted Heavy Lift Helicopters Two Gebirgsjäger Divisions (15,000 Troops Each). The main tasks of these German mountain infantry will be: Warfare in extreme weather conditions Warfare in urban terrain Warfare in arctic, mountain and desert terrain Stab und Stabskompanie (HQ & HQ Company) Gebirgsjägerbataillon 231 (Mountain infantry) Gebirgsjägerbataillon 232 (Mountain infantry) Gebirgsjägerbataillon 233 (Mountain infantry) Gebirgsaufklärungsbataillon 230 (Reconnaissance bataillon) Gebirgsfernmeldebataillon 210 (Signal bataillon) Gebirgspionierbataillon 8 (Combat engineer bataillon) Gebirgslogistikbataillon 8 (Logistic bataillon) 3 Panzergrenadier Divisions 15200 Troops 100 Marder II IFVs 190 Panzer VII Tanks Reconnaissance Battalion Assault Gun or Self-Propelled Artillery Battalion Combat Engineers Battalion Anti-Aircraft Battalion Tank Regiment Tank Battalion Tank Battalion Mechanized Infantry Regiment: Mechanized Infantry Battalion Mechanized Infantry Battalion Mechanized Infantry Battalion Mechanized Infantry Regiment: Mechanized Infantry Battalion Road Motorized Infantry Battalion Road Motorized Infantry Battalion Rocket Artillery Battalion: Artillery Regiment Artillery Battalion Artillery Battalion Artillery Battalion Artillery Battalion Edited June 12, 2009 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 **Classified** In addition to the deployment of 100,000 Soldiers to the Nordheim-RoM Border 45,000 of the 150,000 Strong Paratrooper force were put on an increased readiness and high command would begin to prepare possible Emergency Issues the most notable Unternehmen Schwarze Inferno the way to proceed should communication with any Nordlandic High Command or Government be lost. Across the Province factories entered war production as ordered by the local Governments. Meanwhile the new Zagreb provincial capital would change in a real fort with Deployments reaching 20,000 across the city in addition to 5 Fighter Squadrons and 2 Interceptor Squadrons constantly watching the Airspace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Confederation Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Due to the lack of ground-force escalation in RoM, 400,000 troops are being withdrawn back to Prussia's eastern frontier to prepare for future engagements--especially in the south and east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 **Classified** After the release of the WMD doctrine as a preemptive measure all Soldiers were given a Xenias Battle suit to protect it against indirect damage in addition to being effective in combat. (Split, Biological Research Lab 05) Following the Orders from High Command all 10 Black Pox warheads were placed on Missiles and transported to various silos across Phoenicia to release the weapon should it be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) OOC: I can see it's just going to be another "bomb everything ignore reality" war. Carpet bombing is with lots of cheap bombs. Modern bombing is high-precision really expensive bombs. You combine the two, chances are you can't afford bullets. ooc: Unfortunately, it's very possible for most modern superpowers to afford dumb and smart munitions. The reason is very simple: Most modern nations have a few factories tooled to constantly produce dumb munitions that have been active for decades that run at minimal costs. Their production is stored in armories. Most modern nations have several factories tooled to constantly produce smart munitions that have been active for far fewer decades that run at medium costs. Their production is stored up in armories also. Most modern nations have many factories in related commercial industries such as peaceful private aerospace and space exploration industries that can be retooled at high costs but in a short amount of time and start producing more of either of these types of munitions, they of course, would product dumb bombs much faster than the more complex and high tech machinery. Additionally conversion costs to a dumb weapons factory would be much cheaper than converting to a smart weapons factory. Given that some bullets are smart weapons themselves.. and how cheaply production runs of bullets are.. no modern nation should ever run out of basic bullets due to an expense issue. Don't believe me, do some research into the actual production cost of a basic rifle or pistol round, they're usually not very expensive and in some cases.. can even be made at home with some basic shop tools although of course not to the same quality standards as with large scale capitol equipment machining tools. There is a reason the U.S. has not phased out the B-52. You take a few dumb bombs, add a special casing with some fins, and you instantly have smart dumb bombs. Edited June 14, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 OOC: Mael, he was referring to using purely smart bombs in a carpet bombing effort. That's not cheap, even for an economic powerhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 ooc: Smart.. carpet bombing? They're mutually exclusive. Carpet bombing is literally defined as using free fall conventional bombs in a cluster pattern. The mass release of smart bombs has yet to get a technical term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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