Pablo Monkey Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 When the Karma alliances give up a huge concession to their opponents, it looks like surrender. Do not get me wrong I like TOOL and most of the others I do not know anything about. It just seems a strange position for the Karma alliances to put them selves in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Not to mention, why is NPO listed at all in Clause 5 if it's negated by Clause 8? Obviously it means something, so what exactly is this being interpreted to mean? Because it is only negated for Sparta, not for alliances like DT and AO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Thanks Bama, Poobah. Could've been worded better, but that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmia Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 As it's written, it's incredibly vague and the only reasonable conclusion is what KML said. To have a clause three clauses afterwards that creates an exception, and then word that exception clause in so vague a manner that it isn't actually clear that that is what it is, well that's just poor writing, right there. For shame. It may be vague to you but the signatories of the treaty understand the meaning behind it. I'll admit it isn't the best written but the gist of it is clear to those who agreed to the terms. It could've been worded better but the meaning is still there. Sparta was already at war with NPO when this agreement was reached and therefore is exempt from that term. AO, TDT and Brig were not at war with NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juslen Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 All this white peace makes me think someone should set a deadline. After so many days of war, if white peace is not declared, further concessions will be in the form of reps. Lots of good alliances are falling from the ranks in this war, at the current trend, this entire war will be a draw everyone just gets knocked down a few more notches than the next guy. Those who peace out now stand to have an advantage. But i suppose this war is about being fair. congrats on the peace though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 It may be vague to you but the signatories of the treaty understand the meaning behind it. I'll admit it isn't the best written but the gist of it is clear to those who agreed to the terms. It could've been worded better but the meaning is still there. Sparta was already at war with NPO when this agreement was reached and therefore is exempt from that term. AO, TDT and Brig were not at war with NPO. I'm not criticizing it, necessarily. Well, not you guys anyway. It was just an extremely awkward way to put it together and my more pedantic side doesn't appreciate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Huh. Reading that OP you'd almost think TOOL and FnKA weren't being beaten at all on the battlefield. How odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I don't agree with the wording of this announcement, but I know the real meaning so congrats to all. TOOL, it was fun fighting you guys; more enjoyable than NPOers I've fought so far. You guys were very respectful and I hope my opponents appreciated the respect I showed them also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendKiller Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 +1 for peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the riddler Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) This is too soon. Real honor in accepting peace before the alliance you defended accepts it, eh TOOL? Edited April 30, 2009 by the riddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 This is too soon.Real honor in accepting peace before the alliance you defended accepts it, eh TOOL? Yes, very dishonorable, I can't think of another similar situation ever in any war fought in CN history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castles Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Well this was a quick one. My opponents were honorable and it was a fun fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Flaherty Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 o/ Doxa Sparte \o It's been a pleasure fighting TOOL, best of luck to you guys in your rebuilding and future. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonknight1000 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) ^same goes to FnKa and all our ex-adversaries good luck and thnx again for the war Edited April 30, 2009 by dragonknight1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawlerbot Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 That turned out to be possibly the most stupid war in CN history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x Tela x Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I'm guessing that #5 is a list of TOOL/FnKa mutual defense partners? That makes sense, if so. It seems to me that they didn't want to surrender, if it meant that the alliances they surrender to would redirect their attacks at an ally, which in normal circumstances, would activate their MDP, but after the usual terms of "Stay out of this war", they would be forced to watch as yet more alliances pile onto their allies. I don't see anything wrong with #5 & #8, except that they aren't worded very concisely. As Bama said, #8 is an exception to #5, which makes sense, even if it's not written that clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 That turned out to be possibly the most stupid war in CN history. I couldn't say it better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I'm glad to see this over, although I do kinda wish #5 and #8 were worded a little more clearly such that they wouldn't seem contradictory. Ah well, can't win 'em all Oh, like it says in my bio: Respect the Black Sphere, for therein lies much honour. o/ o/ Sparta o/ DT o/ Brigade o/ AO Edited April 30, 2009 by Uralica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segovia Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I'm guessing that #5 is a list of TOOL/FnKa mutual defense partners? That makes sense, if so. It seems to me that they didn't want to surrender, if it meant that the alliances they surrender to would redirect their attacks at an ally, which in normal circumstances, would activate their MDP, but after the usual terms of "Stay out of this war", they would be forced to watch as yet more alliances pile onto their allies.I don't see anything wrong with #5 & #8, except that they aren't worded very concisely. As Bama said, #8 is an exception to #5, which makes sense, even if it's not written that clearly. The list is of alliances are the ones that TOOL is directly allied too. It would be a bit stupid to get peace with TOOL and then jump back in and attack one of their allies. To be honest, that concession wasn't a hard one to make for the Brigade, seeing as we were never planning on hitting any of TOOLs allies anyways. Edited April 30, 2009 by Segovia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 This is too soon.Real honor in accepting peace before the alliance you defended accepts it, eh TOOL? Wow, you have it backwards. If TPF accepted peace before TOOL, then there would be something wrong with TPF. TOOL taking it before TPF isn't dishonorable in the slightest. Also, if this is so dishonorable, where were you in all the other threads where people surrendered before the people who they were defending? Is RoK this desperate to troll TOOL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x Tela x Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 The list of alliances are the ones that TOOL is directly allied too. It would be a bit stupid to get peace with TOOL and then jump back in and attack one of their allies. To be honest, that concession wasn't a hard one to make for the Brigade, seeing as we were never planning on hitting any of TOOLs allies anyways. Right. This just shows that the alliances involved here fought honorably and ended it honorably - TOOL going so far as to only surrender when they could be assured at least some small measure of future security for the allies for which they entered this war. The people that are saying it's some sort of concession that makes it look like a draw are just silly. None of the alliances listed need more hitting them. They're filled. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Wow, you have it backwards.If TPF accepted peace before TOOL, then there would be something wrong with TPF. TOOL taking it before TPF isn't dishonorable in the slightest. Also, if this is so dishonorable, where were you in all the other threads where people surrendered before the people who they were defending? Is RoK this desperate to troll TOOL? I think som members are upset that TOOL defended TPF instead of going neutral in the conflict and I was like that too until I thought about it and understood where they were coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segovia Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Right. This just shows that the alliances involved here fought honorably and ended it honorably - TOOL going so far as to only surrender when they could be assured at least some small measure of future security for the allies for which they entered this war. The people that are saying it's some sort of concession that makes it look like a draw are just silly. None of the alliances listed need more hitting them. They're filled. lol Thank you. This war wasn't about putting an alliance down. It was about defending allies and what you said was 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane By Design Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 It was a well fought war with TOOL that came to a brilliant(nuclear) and dramatic finish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbucs Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Basically all the Karma alliances on this treaty pussied out. The most shameful part of what has happened was Sparta. They've white-peaced NPO and disguised it as white-peacing a second-tier alliance. If you're going to white peace NPO at least do it openly, goddamnit. Doh! Open mouth insert foot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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