Public Notice from Karma

[janax]

I think there are more MCXA surrenders alone, than all of the Karma side, not including the huge large number of NPO and GGA ones.

[Owned-You]

It sure seems as though he is speaking for them.

Nope, I was not speaking for Karma. I was simply commenting on the matter, as I've got experience in these escapades. There is a difference in speaking one's opinion and speaking on the official behalf of a coalition. But you can keep on trucking if you like big fella.

[Havamil]

Yes because when someone not apart of a loose coalition speaks about something from experience in the past, he is speaking for said coalition.

Sorry, you lost me here

[Owned-You]

Sorry, you lost me here

Add sarcasm to his statement and it should make more sense.

[Havamil]

Sarcasm, ah yes didnt think to drop to that level

Guess that ends any chance of a reasonable discussion, you win

edit:spllng

Edited April 28, 2009 by Havamil

[Gimlimonkey]

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

[jamezua]

I am a Karma POW - Can someone please handle this? I have no defenses, per the surrender terms and I am still getting attacked. I am losing so much from my nation for no reason. What's the point of my surrender if I'm losing more now than what I would have still fighting Karma?

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This is completely unacceptable. My nation was demilitarized per the surrender terms and ubuck went on a vengeance spree, completely dishonoring the terms set forth by Karma.

-jamezua of Veracruz

[Graves]

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

That's why Karma is fighting this war. LOL

[mykep]

I am a Karma POW - Can someone please handle this? I have no defenses, per the surrender terms and I am still getting attacked. I am losing so much from my nation for no reason. What's the point of my surrender if I'm losing more now than what I would have still fighting Karma?

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This is completely unacceptable. My nation was demilitarized per the surrender terms and ubuck went on a vengeance spree, completely dishonoring the terms set forth by Karma.

-jamezua of Veracruz

Contacting your attackers personally as well as the government of them would be great. Private Channels, IRC, PMs and Queries are readily available for contacting them.

Edited April 28, 2009 by mykep

[Pax ME]

lulz.

i wish i could change my AA without losing current seniority.

oh, and my nation is currently accepting nukes. please do send, for my people are starving in the streets!

[Sooner]

I am a Karma POW - Can someone please handle this? I have no defenses, per the surrender terms and I am still getting attacked. I am losing so much from my nation for no reason. What's the point of my surrender if I'm losing more now than what I would have still fighting Karma?

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This is completely unacceptable. My nation was demilitarized per the surrender terms and ubuck went on a vengeance spree, completely dishonoring the terms set forth by Karma.

-jamezua of Veracruz

The nation has been contacted by VE government since he is one of ours. Please contact me in #VE if he attacks again.

[Alterego]

This happens in every war. It is nothing but a misunderstanding and I am sure it will be dealt with properly. It is unfortunate and I hate to see it but it is the nature of the world we live in for a few people to either not follow orders or be unaware of the situation.

There have been thousands of misunderstandings now, Im beginning to see a pattern. I think its called policy

[Delta1212]

There have been thousands of misunderstandings now, Im beginning to see a pattern. I think its called policy

We've only taken 77 POWs and have had issues with 2. The situation just posted in this thread has already been rectified.

Yep, that describes our policy pretty well.

[Gruthenia]

There have been thousands of misunderstandings now, Im beginning to see a pattern. I think its called policy

I'm beginning to see a pattern too. I think it's called stupidity. Post some evidence that this is anything resembling a policy, I dare you. The guy who complained just above you? VE already said they would get the guy to lay off and to contact government again. And there aren't even 100 Karma PoWs yet so it is literally impossible for there to have been even one thousand such misunderstandings, let alone "thousands."

Go ahead. Prove any Karma government condones the attacking of PoWs.

[Captain Flinders]

There have been thousands of misunderstandings now, Im beginning to see a pattern. I think its called policy

Thousands? A thousand people haven't surrendered yet. Hell, a hundred people haven't surrendered yet. Or were you trying to make a funny...

[Matthew Conrad]

I had very little infra when the war started, I can easily reroll another nation if my current one is lost, it is no great loss.

Come up with some other reason other than "save your infra" because I have so little that it can be easily replaced at the end of the war with no drama.

And I play so many other games that the 5 minutes a day I spend fighting is no great loss either.

I am happy in the NPO and I will not leave.

I can fight for years on nothing, and I will not enter peace mode either, I have more spine than that.

tl;dr: I have nothing to lose and everything to gain by not surrendering.

We are not asking you to surrender! Sheesh, we are giving you what people refer to as the option of surrendering and it is directed primarily toward those who have asked for or are searching for individual terms. I really don't give a $%&@ if you surrender or not and reroll, so you should get over yourself. We'll gladly destroy all your infra if you want us to because we won't save those who won't save themselves.

So, to reiterate, go to ZI and never surrender if you want. No one is going to lose any sleep over it.

[Sir Skint]

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=238108

He is sending aid to TPF one day after joining Karma PoW, is that ok?

[Freelancer]

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=238108

He is sending aid to TPF one day after joining Karma PoW, is that ok?

I'm pretty sure ever one knows the answer to that, I would suspect he'll be getting a visit shortly and that 50 tech will cost so much more than he anticipated.

[Neo Anglia]

Whereas my response from my first attacker was never delivered to their leadership, I will be posting a unilateral response to all my attackers below. So if you haven't sent me surrender terms, this will save you a few keystrokes.

Subject: RE: If you wish to surrender?

Message: Sure. White peace for One Vision, and all of our allies dragged in then we talk. Until then my answer is now and will continue to be a consistent but respectful "no thanks". Less than that would be an outright betrayal of our friendships. Not how I roll. Have a nice day.

Regards,

-Neo Anglia

Echelon Directorate.

Yes Regis, that is my final answer. If it means my nation faces ZI from four nations, so be it. This proud nation has always stood with honor, that will not change. You will find similar answers from any true Echelonion warrior. Edited April 28, 2009 by Neo Anglia

[Lafiel]

Whereas my response from my first attacker was never delivered to their leadership, I will be posting a unilateral response to all my attackers below. So if you haven't sent me surrender terms, this will save you a few keystrokes.

Yes Regis, that is my final answer. If it means my nation faces ZI from four nations, so be it. This proud nation has always stood with honor, that will not change. You will find similar answers from any true Echelonion warrior.

I wonder how many alliance echelon declared war on and still they want white peace?

Good Evening, Karma.

QUOTE ("One Vision Bloc Treaty")Article 4: Warfare

4.1 Should any signatory come under attack, it is mandatory all signatories come to the assistance of the attacked.

4.1.1 Assistance shall be defined as military, financial, intelligence, and all other form of aids other signatories are able to provide.

4.1.2 All signatories coming to the aid of another will use all means available to them to aid the attacked signatory.

4.1.3 An attack on one signatory shall be considered an attack on all signatories.

As pursuant to Article 4, Section 4.1 of the One Vision Bloc Treaty (below), and waiving Section 4.3 of the same Article, Echelon hereby acknowledges a state of war with all parties currently engaging the New Pacific Order. While we no longer acknowledge the individual treaty held between Echelon and Pacifica, we fully and wholeheartedly commit to defending the New Pacific Order in their time of need.

To those who label us as spineless turncoats, please go ahead and eat your collective feet. We are waiting, and those who lie in peace on our end will soon enough meet you.

Free Your Hate Karma

Signed,

Neo Anglia, Director

Solidus117, Acting Minister of Foreign Affairs, Elder Statesman

and as I recall nobody attacked NPO this war started because NPO attacked another alliance.

so let look at article 4.1 which you claim that made you involvement in the war legitimate it say

" Should any signatory come under attack, it is mandatory all signatories come to the assistance of the attacked. "

but we now NPO didn't come under attack they attacked other alliances so others come to protect OV against an invader.then every body very easily can see that nowhere in your treaty it came if any body have obligation to assist an invader. but you decided to assist them .

so any sane mind can conclude that you had other agenda rather than honoring your treaty because the text of your treaty is clear on the matter that you will go to help in defense if they get attacked ,but NPO were the offender not defender and no Law on earth could held you to that treaty.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Lafiel

[werefrog]

We are not asking you to surrender!

Hello. This is a message from the coalition of alliances currently at war with your alliance. This war is over, our side is twice the size of

yours, and we grow larger every day, while your side collapses. You do not need to get dragged to destruction for leaders that are too stubborn to know when to quit.

Simply Post a resignation here: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...&start=1040

Decomission your soldiers to less than 50% of your total population

Destroy your tanks, Cruise Missiles, Nuclear weapons and military improvements,

And change your alliance affilliation to Karma PoW

The send peace to those you are at war with, and it will all end.

That looks like a request to surrender, and not a good one because it doesn't link to the surrender thread.

The Werefrog will not surrender in this war.

[Goldie]

whoever sent you those terms did not send you karma's official surrender terms, which are clearly visible in the first post of this thread.

regardless, it isnt requesting you surrender, it is simply stating that karma is giving those nations who do not agree with the policies of their alliances and the war in general, to do what they think is best and not get destroyed to prop up an alliance government that cares not for their nations, but only cares to save their own faces and keep spreading their dogma all over cn.

[Thorr]

Surrendering

I know I was at the raw end of one of these bullying deals with Shadow Slayer being forced to say he did something he didn't do. Me Rambo SS and others was forming a small alliance The Horde a while ago. I am not interested in fighting for such nonsense. I don't surrender due to fear of loosing Infra.

There is still a small problem on the other side and that is sethB though you know.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Thorr

[Tralaria]

even though I have surrendered a couple of hours ago, another man has hit me...I messaged him, but I hope this doesn't happen again...

After all, I don't want war...I beat him back, btw

his nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=111845

[garbucs]

Look its simple ,the option is there for those who want to surrender and watch from the porch.OR you can keep eating Karma Bombs. Its all GOOD! Nice day for awar!