Athenius Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) The way you place things in quotations makes you sound like you're being sarcastic; yet when you spout such nonsense, that is not at all hard to believe. My fellow Comrade. I do not intend to insight war or its principles as a whole against you; but, this is the time for no debate until you understand your former travesties at the 'Diplomacy Table'. The 'discussion of resolve' flew off to war, because another Nation decided to 'infringe' on the 'progression' of 'True Principles'! Edited April 25, 2009 by Athenius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Is Vladimir your mentor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenius Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Is Vladimir your mentor? I am my 'own' person. I do not hail from anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I am my 'own' person. I do not hail from anyone! Your quotation marks are appropriate. You're reading right out the Pacifican playbook, fine sir, and are no more individual than the rest of your collective horde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenius Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Your quotation marks are appropriate. You're reading right out the Pacifican playbook, fine sir, and are no more individual than the rest of your collective horde. My talk is finished here for now. I will let enemy pestilence fight it out among themselves. I clearly see why 'Diplomacy Talks' failed. The enemy refused to 'compromise'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Tolkien Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Haha. Pacifica is 'Democracy' entwined with 'Principles of Conformity'. Having a Central Head and Upper House of Government, in no way 'bars' the expression of the people. People in Pacifica are to 'respect' the State, but also express 'individuality'. Thus 'Francoism' is born!My friend. The enemy is 'fascist' and wants to 'place' a Viceroy over Pacifica and her Allies, to 'suppress' them and to make them 'suffer' at the 'command' of evil principles. Fascism may not define the 'overall' agenda of the enemy, but it does play a 'strong' role. Pacifica is far from 'fascism', she is 'progressive' in all she does! So Pacifica doesn't fit the definition of democracy, yet it is a democracy despite that? doublethink doubleplusgood Pacifica...Progressive? The definition of progressive and liberalism is desire for freedom, and those who favor change. Karma is the one attempting to change the world order and bring about more equity and fairness to global alliance politics, whereas Pacifica and her allies are the ones defending the Old World Order: that makes you reactionaries/conservatives in this regard...not progressives. Also, Karma has repeatedly stated it will NOT be placing any viceroys (along with the fact that admin has declared viceroys to be in violation of the ToS). The NPO has placed so many viceroys in so many alliances, that I can't even come close to remembering them all. Somehow, I can't believe you're so ignorant of these basic definitions. You must be sarcastic...you can't really believe everything you're spouting right now...It's just not rational. Then again, maybe I'm making the assumption you are a rational, thinking person, and not just another "o/ Pacifica" zombie. EDIT: Peace talks failed because you constantly carried yourself in the manner you're doing right now: pompous, arrogant, and oblivious to the fact that we were holding all the cards. And the fact you were stalling. Please, try again. Edited April 25, 2009 by Tolkien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) OOC:arrg why does everybody associate fascism with Nazis and hitler s they were actually totalitarianism NOT fascism.fascism was started in Italy by moussalina when he was trying to reunite Italy, yes it has always held the subsequent persecution of a community, but then you could also associate that with the leaders and not fascism in itself, but I do not wish to argue history so I will leave it at that IC: first off fascism is "not" corruption nor is it evil, and is different ,or fundamentally different, from tyranny, fascism is a nationalistic government (meaning it puts the nation over the individual) an ideal that there is no separate social class please get your facts strait before you post propaganda here. IC I won't vote as I do not like were your motives are going plus, I find your one sidedness a bit arrogant and naive . also Pacifica a democracy ?, I always though Pacifica was francoism, which ironically seems closer to fascism then democracy, because it seems more nationalistic. Edited April 25, 2009 by sircrimson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I never thought I'd see a Kyoon thread in CN. Thanks, guys Kyoon, really? Does that word mean something other than what I think it means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Kyoon, really? Does that word mean something other than what I think it means? Maybe Lam should define it for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) You change your politics more frequently than you change your different Boxxy signatures. I don't consider the odd hybrid of an alliance government I prefer in this game to really be "fascist" but it's similar which is what I was referring to, If you'd like I'd explain it to you in more detail, but I'm feeling lazy at the moment so I'll only type it out if you really want it. I'm against any authority other than my own. Thus, Fascism; but only when I'm in charge. your post in the same thread, that's about the only fascism I support, since I have enough trust in myself not to turn into that type of dictator. Edited April 25, 2009 by Mogar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Null vote. One of the problems in attempting to define Fascism is that there is no such thing as a widely-held, historically-accepted definition of Fascism. There is further argument about whether Fascism was a strictly Italian doctrine, while other countries often labeled as 'Fascist' (Spain, Austria under Dollfuss, etc.) may be more properly termed clerical authoritarian regimes. And then, of course, the NPO is defined as the vanguard against this vague, ill-defined idea. In short, rubbish from beginning to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamuella Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Kyoon, really? Does that word mean something other than what I think it means? famed, and utterly insane, poster in LF (a something awful subforum) who posts long rants about Barack Obama that make the Timecube guy look like George Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Wings Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 They just don't make NPO propaganda specialists (read: trolls) the way they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 fascism closest root word is Faciscimo, which was means a bundle of sticks tied together, and was often used as sort of cane which was a sign of honor , it also was used to hit people with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamuella Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 this is why the frequent symbol of fascism was a bundle of sticks and an axe. An axe can chop through one stick but not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 exactly lamuella, it is a shame Fascim has become intertwined with totalitarianism . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Tolkien Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) fascism closest root word is Faciscimo, which was means a bundle of sticks tied together, and was often used as sort of cane which was a sign of honor , it also was used to hit people with. Incorrect, actually. The word fascism comes from the symbol of fasces, which is again an axe bundled with sticks. This symbol was prominently used by Mussolini during his rise to power...hence, fascism. I already mentioned this previously in my wallotext response. Edited April 25, 2009 by Tolkien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brass Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 They just don't make NPO propaganda specialists (read: trolls) the way they used to. They are pretty much the same, the difference is the huge lack of alliance mates and allies hailing the post, effectively drowning out any opposing views. This thread is what many other NPO threads of the past would look like if all posts from NPO, its allies, and sycophants were removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Litler Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 your post in the same thread, that's about the only fascism I support, since I have enough trust in myself not to turn into that type of dictator. What's your point about my post? I am not contradicting it. I voted for option three, didn't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderago Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Incorrect, actually.The word fascism comes from the symbol of fasces, which is again an axe bundled with sticks. This symbol was prominently used by Mussolini during his rise to power...hence, fascism. I already mentioned this previously in my wallotext response. you are correct OOC: my mistake, been a while since my last sociology class darn forgot what field was it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taget Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) If you look at fascism from the way it's early intellectual founders invisioned it you see an almost inversion of marxism. Instead of a class struggle you have what you can call a coalition of classes working together for the good of the state and society. Thus preserving order and promoting prosperity for all. It also of course preserves the idea of a ruling class. But rather than having a society where one ruling class fights the established order to become the new ruling class a system is set up where those destined to rule rise and those who aren't destined are prevented from blocking the ambitions of who "history dictates." Course theory and practice are different. And the most important thing is not a word but their definition. An example would be communist China which resembles more what we think of as a fascist state than what one typically thinks of a communist state. Perhaps a more telling example would be there are parties in the arab world that without changing much in the platform went from fascist in the 30s, to socialist in the 50s, to Islamic now. Edited April 26, 2009 by Taget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 What's your point about my post? I am not contradicting it. I voted for option three, didn't I? I null voted, it's not fascism if I'm in charge because there would be numerous democratic elements involved as well, like impeachment for example, something fascism wouldn't allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unko Kalaikz Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I am getting many lols from this thread. I have a 'feeling' some people are being punked by this 'scholar.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 They just don't make NPO propaganda specialists (read: trolls) the way they used to. Makes me miss Josef Thorne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I am getting many lols from this thread. I have a 'feeling' some people are being punked by this 'scholar.' I think the 'punking' may be accidental, though. It's just....well, odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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