Fireandthepassion Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) VE was founded July 12, 2006 Didn't VE also disband then reform, or am I thinking of another alliance? Damn it Doitzel beat me to it. Edited February 20, 2009 by Fireandthepassion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorum Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I miss IAA and Confederacy of Independent States...not so much the Confederacy of Imperial States. This, good sir. This list brings back memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 My .02 on PPF, GOONs (etc) being an "alliance" or not: the only objective definition of "alliance" is the hard in-game one... If you can see the alliance stats, that's an alliance (thus PPF and GOONS are alliances). Any other definition is perfectly fine but it's also subjective: we can be almost sure that there will always be somebody disagreeing with it. What probably counts here is what the creator of the thread had in mind, and as we see that PPF is listed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 R&R was formed on November 6th 2006 You're kidding. I have the same birthday as R&R! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrow Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 We'll, if you want to get technical, Legion disbanded for about 30 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diomede Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 If you want to get technical, that disbandment was illegal and thus void, meaning they never did disband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virillus Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 CoAN and OIN are both definitely gone. Everyone else is still around.Heh, funny. Some of the alliances at the top today are so old but I still consider them "new" (MHA, particularly). Heh, same for me. Heck, I still see the Polar order as new:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 CoAN is dead i believe. since valhalla i believe made them disband... but idkand i think theres a lot missing, but idk dates so yeah Valhalla didn't make CoAN disband. The Valhalla-CoAN war was pre-UJW and CoAN lasted into 2008 albiet in a weakened form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizoral Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 LSF, May 1 2006 wiki link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 If the government at the time of alliances such as GOONS and NAAC acknowledged disbandment for whatever reason then they disbanded, whether or not people are still flying the AA. If I changed my AA to OIN it would mean that they'd reformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Reynolds Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The founding date for the Grey Council is slightly off as we were founded on March 19th, 2006. Our declaration of existence can be found on the original CN forums here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Same technicality nonsense, I remember tech raiders formerly stated raiding a "5-10 man alliance with no treaties is not against their charter merely because they are not recognized as an alliance", though HERE, a one man ALLIANCE is. (. A close association of nations or other groups, formed to advance common interests or causes) Sorry, I love Ope, but a one-man "alliance" doesn't constitute as an alliance in my book. They may have protection, but it is not an alliance. Any decent old-timer with half a memory can remember alliances proclaiming the stated above nonsense pertaining to tech raiding. Technicalities, technicalities, technicalities. Arg. Headaches. Edited February 20, 2009 by Ejayrazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Same technicality nonsense, I remember tech raiders formerly stated raiding a "5-10 man alliance with no treaties is not against their charter merely because they are not recognized as an alliance", though HERE, a one man ALLIANCE is. (. A close association of nations or other groups, formed to advance common interests or causes) Sorry, I love Ope, but a one-man "alliance" doesn't constitute as an alliance in my book. They may have protection, but it is not an alliance.Any decent old-timer with half a memory can remember alliances proclaiming the stated above nonsense pertaining to tech raiding. Technicalities, technicalities, technicalities. Arg. Headaches. Well, personally I'd argue that the question of alliancehood or not is a matter of self-determination - if you have a group of nations on a common AA saying they're an alliance, they are one. The tech raiders claiming not to recognize them as an alliance are just making silly legal quibbles to try and absolve themselves from the perceived wrongdoing of raiding an alliance as opposed to a disorganized collection of nations. The reality is more along the lines that a 5-10 man alliance is simply incapable of forcibly maintaining it's sovereignty, and no outside power is likely to stick up for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shan Revan Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 CoAN and OIN are both definitely gone. Everyone else is still around.Heh, funny. Some of the alliances at the top today are so old but I still consider them "new" (MHA, particularly). Heh. Yes. I agree. Heh, same for me.Heck, I still see the Polar order as new:P There needs to be some kind of CN old people club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 NATO - June 25th 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Well, personally I'd argue that the question of alliancehood or not is a matter of self-determination - if you have a group of nations on a common AA saying they're an alliance, they are one. The tech raiders claiming not to recognize them as an alliance are just making silly legal quibbles to try and absolve themselves from the perceived wrongdoing of raiding an alliance as opposed to a disorganized collection of nations. The reality is more along the lines that a 5-10 man alliance is simply incapable of forcibly maintaining it's sovereignty, and no outside power is likely to stick up for them. While I agree with what you say here, one nation is not a 'group of nations' or a 'collection of nations'. I would put the limit for alliance status at two members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Ope has recruiting to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamed Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 USN has been around since September of 06 IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezequiel Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 You missed FAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keshav IV Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OIN and CoAN don't exist no more to my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britanicca Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 somoene was flying INC until 2 weeks ago. O/ my first alliance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Virtuous_War<.< Does anyone else find it slightly humorous that in the last 3 months Vox is listed as fighting in two wars on the same side a Q or Q-allied alliances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 While I agree with what you say here, one nation is not a 'group of nations' or a 'collection of nations'. I would put the limit for alliance status at two members. Fair enough, I'll agree with that much. I was more focused on Ejayrazz arguing basically that Alliance A saying in their charter that they won't recognize a group of nations for whatever reason makes them not an alliance to people that aren't Alliance A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drugsup Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I will update the list as soon as i have fixed the leak in my PC (darn watercooling!). As for the debate on alliances, im only counting alliances that are active within CN politics e.g treaties and declarations/announcements, unless the member of PPF can provide proof of this he will striked off the list. As for alliances that once disbanded such as VE they can remain with their original founding date as they are the same alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Fair enough, I'll agree with that much. I was more focused on Ejayrazz arguing basically that Alliance A saying in their charter that they won't recognize a group of nations for whatever reason makes them not an alliance to people that aren't Alliance A. Oh, I never said I believed in this trait my good friend. It was CN logic at one point back in the day. -.-' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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