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I'm going to make this brief, and not burden you with minute details that I like to roleplay. I will simply list arguments as to why it may be in your interests to "keep me in CNRP2."

 

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I believe in delivering interesting roleplay

 

I believe that optional recognition gives unique nations a chance to survive

 

I believe that the optional recognition poll is active until July

 

I believe it should not be easy for bully nations to push around smaller players solely on the basis of nation strength

 

I believe if a Nation wants to act aggressively, especially against a smaller nation, they should prove they have the assets to do so

 

I believe that game mods are not infallible, nor do they have authority. They are supposed to mediate disputes, not allow players to be driven from the social community by in-game Nation Strength

 

I believe that mods shouldn't ban players from #CNRP2 based on their political beliefs

 

I believe players shouldn't twist arms via OOC means

 

I believe players should respect collaborative roleplay norms

 

I believe defenders deserve "trials by wargame" before being humiliated and forced from the game

 

 

 

 

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Then go start CNRP3. Our rules have been built by the community, and its not our fault you ignored discussions on the rules. Even now you don't post in the rule discussions going on, instead choosing to kick and scream when we tell you we have rules and that actions have consequences.

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People want you gone because you're annoying as hell and cry foul over perfectly reasonable things that you'd understand if you were open to being part of the community and letting people talk things through. I personally don't think you've done anything worth kicking you out over, but you're probably gonna be gone and the RP will probably be better off as a result of not having to deal with your trolling.

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Nowhere in the 50k recognition vote did it say that optional recognition was voided by prior roleplay, nor did it state that community vote-ins nullified optional recognition.

 

You banned me on IRC for disagreeing with me on OOC politics. You are discredited as an impartial moderator, and I no longer recognize you.

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People want you gone because you're annoying as hell and cry foul over perfectly reasonable things that you'd understand if you were open to being part of the community and letting people talk things through. I personally don't think you've done anything worth kicking you out over, but you're probably gonna be gone and the RP will probably be better off as a result of not having to deal with your trolling.

 

I wanted to negotiate with Japan, but they didnt want to because Mogar threw an OOC fit:

 

12:46    Mogar    im not going to treat you with the kiddie gloves just because you're smaller
12:46    Tywin_Lannister    I'm going to challenge you OOC because its disproportionate and doesnt make sense
12:47    Mogar    my leader is irrational
12:47    Mogar    that is IC
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    doesnt matter
12:47    Mogar    it does matter
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    your command staff would take care of that
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    irrational leaders dont last long
12:47    Mogar    my command staff doesnt have the final order
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    lol
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    they have pistols
12:47    Mogar    then she gets removed after your nation gets wiped from existance
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    naw
12:47    Mogar    half of my nation believes she is literally a goddess
12:47    Tywin_Lannister    like I said, prepare yourself for a long ooc challenge
12:48    Mogar    and the only reason Tokyo did not get it
12:48    Mogar    like i said
12:48    Mogar    prepare yourself to get wiped off the map
12:48    Tywin_Lannister    nope, not gonna recognize that
12:48    Mogar    go check what 20MT nukes do to hawaii
12:48    Mogar    then you get wiped from CNRP2
12:48    Tywin_Lannister    nope
12:48    Mogar    you HAVE to recognize war RP
12:48    Tywin_Lannister    not if it doesnt make sense
12:48    Mogar    yes you do
12:48    Tywin_Lannister    nope
12:48    Mogar    go ask a GM
12:48    Tywin_Lannister    GMs arent final law
12:48    Mogar    you are not a unique and special snowflake
12:48    Mogar    yes they are
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    nope
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    they are fellow roleplayers
12:49    Mogar    like i said
12:49    Mogar    go make CNRP3
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    nope
12:49    Mogar    you obviously dont get how collaborative games work
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    I think I do
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    youre not being very collaborative
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    you want to wipe me from the game
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    for propaganda
12:49    Mogar    you are forcing me into that position
12:49    Tywin_Lannister    lol
12:49    Mogar    stop your propaganda
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    thats bullshit
12:50    Mogar    or i will stop it
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    you just told me youre going to attack
12:50    Mogar    its a simply IC decison for you to make
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    why dont we let the guam thread play out
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    its very good RP
12:50    Mogar    no it isnt
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    why not
12:50    Mogar    because i dont give a shit about it
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    ok
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    look
12:50    Tywin_Lannister    are you going to attack or not
12:50    Mogar    and shouldnt have had to make an entire fucking thread just to appease your dumbass
12:51    Mogar    unless you apologize to me ICly
12:51    Mogar    yeah
12:51    Tywin_Lannister    not gonna do anything until the thread is done
12:51    Mogar    the more noise you make, the more you draw attention to yourself
12:51    Tywin_Lannister    if you want to attack during the middle of a pre agreed investigation thats on you
12:51    Mogar    the more you are making my nation IC wish to demolish yours
12:51    Mogar    do you understand that
12:52    Tywin_Lannister    nukes are not the end of Hawaii, Mogar
12:52    Tywin_Lannister    we still have our fleet
12:52    Mogar    yes they really would be
12:52    Tywin_Lannister    no, it wouldnt
12:52    Mogar    i have enough nukes left over to hit your fleet too
12:52    Tywin_Lannister    you dont know where my fleet is
12:52    Mogar    go check how much damage a 20MT nuke would be
12:53    Mogar    i can send out mine and a half dozen other nations with active sonar throughout the pacific
12:53    Tywin_Lannister    Id just go battlestar galactica
12:53    Mogar    SATINT rolls
12:53    Tywin_Lannister    your radar cant reach hawaii
12:53    Mogar    i would find you and destroy it if you push me into that
12:53    Mogar    active sonar is not radar
12:53    Mogar    for one
12:53    Tywin_Lannister    Im not pushing you to do anything
12:53    Mogar    yes you are
12:53    Tywin_Lannister    as long as a single Hawaiian lives I will continue to RP
12:54    Tywin_Lannister    you cant kill every Hawaiian
12:54    Mogar    your IC propganda is literally giving my homefront something to rally against
12:54    Tywin_Lannister    your homefront is exhausted after china
12:54    Mogar    anti japan propaganda doesnt fly too well
12:54    Mogar    my homefront isnt dealing with china
12:54    Mogar    they're collapsed
12:54    Mogar    we didnt invade
12:54    Tywin_Lannister    Japan surrendered after WWII because of two nukes
12:54    Tywin_Lannister    what makes you think youd be ready to launch a fresh war after three
12:54    Mogar    that was before a nuke has ever been used
12:54    Tywin_Lannister    lol
12:55    Mogar    and they had no idea how many more the US had
12:55    Mogar    this is set after literally tens of thousands of nukes had been launched
12:55    Tywin_Lannister    woah
12:55    Tywin_Lannister    tens of thousands
12:55    Mogar    people have dealt with the effects of them before
12:55    Tywin_Lannister    I thought you only have like 20
12:55    Mogar    you seriously didnt put any attempt into learning the backstory of this RP
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    no, i didnt
12:56    Mogar    thats good to know
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    how can you have 10000 nukes when you only have 25 in game
12:56    Mogar    the entire world nuked itself
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    12:56 Tywin_Lannister    how can you have 10000 nukes when you only have 25 in game
12:56    Mogar    everyone collapsed
12:56    Mogar    what part of
12:56    Mogar    backstory
12:56    Mogar    do you not get
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    I have a backstory too
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    it involves AEGIS
12:56    Mogar    your AEGIS can suck a dick
12:56    Mogar    it isnt a foolproof weapon
12:56    Tywin_Lannister    so can your nukes lol
12:57    Mogar    your AEGIS does nothing vs ICBMs
12:57    Mogar    you arent using 2004+ tech
12:57    Tywin_Lannister    anyway, we can sort this out like gentlemen in the ongoing thread, or have a really ugly roleplay that will really just piss everyone off
12:57    Mogar    i'd rather piss everyone off
12:57    Tywin_Lannister    why
12:57    Mogar    simply because you seem to think you should just get away with disrespecting me constantly IC
12:58    Tywin_Lannister    lol
12:58    Mogar    and i shouldnt be allowed to hit you because you're smaller than me
12:58    Tywin_Lannister    do I look like I care of anyone "disrespects me IC"
12:58    Mogar    do i care OOCly?
12:58    Mogar    not really
12:58    Tywin_Lannister    then why start trouble for no reason
12:58    Tywin_Lannister    seems like you care alot
12:58    Mogar    BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO NUKE YOU
12:58    Mogar    YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER
12:58    Tywin_Lannister    then dont
12:59    Mogar    THEN STOP LAUNCHING PROPAGANDA AGAINST ME LOL
12:59    Mogar    what part of that is so hard for you to get?
12:59    Tywin_Lannister    um
12:59    Tywin_Lannister    why do you think I made the guam thread
12:59    Tywin_Lannister    not for shits and giggles
12:59    Mogar    so you could
12:59    Mogar    LOL ANTI IMPERIALISM
12:59    Mogar    BETTER STICK IT TO THOSE JAPO PIGDOGS
12:59    Tywin_Lannister    are you really imperialist
13:00    Mogar    RAWWRRRR HAWAII AND ALL THESE FUCKING RANDOM ISLAND NATIONS THAT DONT ACTUALLY LIKE EACH OTHER ARE BESTIES
13:00    Tywin_Lannister    lol
13:00    Tywin_Lannister    yes, Samoa and Tonga dont like one another
13:00    Tywin_Lannister    thats going to be part of my upcoming RP if you leave me alone
13:00    Mogar    and generally continue what you do in the fucking boiler room, just in a RP instead
13:00    Tywin_Lannister    so
13:00    Mogar    who the fuck cares if I am imperialist or not IC
13:01    Tywin_Lannister    you dont like my ooc politics
13:01    Mogar    is your FA path really that fucking retarded?
13:01    Mogar    you will intentionally get your nation destroyed for idealism?
13:01    Tywin_Lannister    if my FA was retarded how did I get both guam and wake
13:01    Tywin_Lannister    not guam, kiribati
13:01    Mogar    because you took wake while i was distracted
13:01    Tywin_Lannister    so, not retarded
13:02    Mogar    taking candy from a baby isnt something to be proud of
13:02    Tywin_Lannister    neither is nuking Hawaii for no good reason
13:02    Mogar    you're bragging about stealing money from someone's wallet that was left in front of you while they werent looking
13:02    Mogar    i have a good reason, your nation is a threat to the stability of the pacific
13:02    Tywin_Lannister    actually, I have a larger plan for wake
13:02    Mogar    your leaders are irrational and your people are brainwashed
13:02    Tywin_Lannister    theres a reason I took it
13:03    Tywin_Lannister    only your empress is irational
13:03    Tywin_Lannister    everything Hawaii has done is highly rational
13:03    Mogar    no
13:03    Mogar    spitting in the face of your largest neighbor is not rational
13:03    Tywin_Lannister    you took guam and sanctioned us
13:03    Mogar    having them request you to stop only to do it further is not rational
13:03    Mogar    i didnt take shit
13:03    Mogar    lynneth controlled guam before you claimed it IC
13:04    Mogar    again, if i claim hawaii that doesnt mean you dont exist
13:04    Tywin_Lannister    you took guam and excluded Hawaii from the discussion, we protest that with propaganda, and you nuke us
13:04    Tywin_Lannister    not very sensible
13:04    Mogar    you have been a thorn in our side for longer than that
13:04    Tywin_Lannister    how
13:04    Mogar    uh, starting a war with the philippines
13:04    Tywin_Lannister    lol
13:05    Mogar    almost starting one with markus
13:05    Tywin_Lannister    did you even read the thread
13:05    Tywin_Lannister    dude tried to assassinate my diplomat
13:05    Tywin_Lannister    because I didnt agree with him
13:05    Mogar    i had genuinely hoped that was good fucking indication that your ass should respectyour neighbors a bit more
13:05    Mogar    instead you continue to disrespect them
13:05    Mogar    and expect nothing bad to happen because of it
13:05    Tywin_Lannister    youre actually on the exact same level diplomatically kev was
13:06    Tywin_Lannister    kev didnt like how I said no, so he tried to kill my dude in the philippines
13:06    Mogar    the difference is he let you escape
13:06    Mogar    i wouldnt
13:06    Tywin_Lannister    so basically youre just a douche
13:06    Tywin_Lannister    unlike kev
13:06    Mogar    i would not going along with lulz RP
13:06    Mogar    basically i am not going to let you act like an idiot in the middle of the pacific
13:06    Tywin_Lannister    Hawaii never acted aggressively to either philippines nor japan
13:06    Mogar    propaganda is agressive actions
13:07    Mogar    always has been considered such
13:07    Tywin_Lannister    lol, no, it isnt
13:07    Mogar    if you think you deserve hawaii you will act in a manner that affords that
13:07    Tywin_Lannister    do you realize all three of you want to attack hawaii without a legit IC reason
13:07    Tywin_Lannister    wanted
13:07    Mogar    do you realize that i dont fucking care about you in the slightest, so long as you arent saying a word about my nation
13:08    Tywin_Lannister    kev because my diplomat said no, markus because I supposedly had his dudes, and you because you dont like the RP I post in my own threads
13:08    Mogar    the second you open your mouth negatively about japan, you are giving me a legit IC reason
13:08    Mogar    you are RPing propaganda against me, the last nation that did that almost destroyed the home islands
13:08    Mogar    why wait around and let you get stronger?
13:09    Mogar    squash you like the bug you behave like
13:09    Tywin_Lannister    I did not RP against Japan, I RPd against your occupation of Guam
13:09    Tywin_Lannister    big difference
13:09    Mogar    you RP'd against japan
13:09    Tywin_Lannister    Guam isnt Japan
13:09    Mogar    and compared my nation to WW2 japan
13:09    Mogar    go call a german a nazi
13:09    Tywin_Lannister    where did I do that
13:09    Mogar    see how well that goes over
13:09    Mogar    uh
13:09    Mogar    you know
13:09    Mogar    every single propaganda post
13:10    Tywin_Lannister    I roleplayed a documentary about Japan during WWII
13:10    Mogar    which is offensive as fuck
13:10    Tywin_Lannister    if the history channel does that in RL will Japan attack them
13:10    Mogar    sit a japanese person down in front of it
13:11    Tywin_Lannister    dude
13:11    Mogar    and then ask them how they feel about it afterward
13:11    Tywin_Lannister    you have japanese in RL denying that stuff happened in China
13:11    Mogar    hence, you are not going to get a positive reaction
13:11    Mogar    by playing that shit
13:11    Mogar    so soon after we just got nuked
13:11    Tywin_Lannister    so you are going to nuke hawaii over a documentary
13:11    Tywin_Lannister    about WWII japan
13:11    Mogar    old wounds opened up and you're throwing salt in it
13:12    Mogar    i dont get how you can be this dense
13:12    Mogar    i really dont
13:12    Tywin_Lannister    old wounds opened up when you took Guam and refused to consult with Hawaii like Tikal and Australia did
13:12    Mogar    if this were CNRP1, you would have been rolled
13:12    Mogar    weeks ago
13:12    Tywin_Lannister    this isnt CNRP1
13:12    Mogar    i have tried to be nice to you
13:12    Mogar    you refuse to do anything in exchange
13:12    Tywin_Lannister    ok, look, I have better things to do
13:12    Mogar    why should i continue to let you slap me around
13:12    Tywin_Lannister    wait for the thread or attack, whatever
13:13    Tywin_Lannister    its a fukn RP
13:13    Mogar    and you are RPing really
13:13    Mogar    really
13:13    Mogar    stupidly
13:13    Mogar    against me
13:13    Tywin_Lannister    no, Im not, you are overreacting
13:13    Mogar    and for the past week i have been warning you about thi
13:13    Mogar    i point blank told you exactly why i would over react ICly
13:13    Tywin_Lannister    everyones just going to thin youre stupid if you nuke hawaii
13:14    Mogar    OOC i could care less if i have to destroy you or not
13:14    Mogar    i'd prefer not to but you dont seem to want to get peace
13:14    Tywin_Lannister    Im done here
13:14    Mogar    so it doesnt matter that much to me
13:21    Tywin_Lannister    mind if I post these logs in the ooc thread
13:22    Mogar    how about you go reply to the fucking guam thread
13:22    Mogar    and then if you decide to continue to be agressive against me IC, post whatever the fuck you want
13:22    Mogar    i'll post them myself if you want

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Then go start CNRP3. Our rules have been built by the community, and its not our fault you ignored discussions on the rules. Even now you don't post in the rule discussions going on, instead choosing to kick and scream when we tell you we have rules and that actions have consequences.

Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that.

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Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that.

 

This is not about his political beliefs as much as it's about his actions and his willingness to manipulate the rules for his own benefit.

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Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that.


No, he doesn't have the right to remain in CNRP2. At most he has the right to post on the forum, which we are not restricting.
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Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that.

 

I think this guy should be out if we're getting rid of Tywin. He's easily as abrasive but doesn't contribute as much RP.

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I think this guy should be out if we're getting rid of Tywin. He's easily as abrasive but doesn't contribute as much RP.

 

Nah, I think he's still learning in CNRP2. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, something which Tywin had extinguished.

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Chill, dudes. Tywin, just calm the fuck down. Folks aren't trying to drive you from the game on an OOG level, but you sure are annoying as fuck sometimes. Go and read through the rules, figure out how to play the game to your own advantage. If you don't like a rule, make a suggestion to change it, and get a few of us to agree so that it can go to a vote. Stop accusing people of things OOG, and accept that if you accuse them IG they're going to respond.

 

Knights: It's cool to be newer to RP. We all started somewhere. Just keep postin' and having fun (and otherwise follow the same things I've said to Tywin). You'll both be fine, and probably have a lot more fun for it. :P

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Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers.

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Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers.

 

The problem is, once again, you're basing your ludicrous claims (and IC actions) on OOC statements, not IC actions. The 'genocide' that you keep yammering about hasn't happened yet ICly, yet you're acting as if it had happened.

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Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers.

I stated if you don't change your IC behavior you would be attacked by me, and I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons if I needed to, which if your RP is to be followed, you would give me justification to simply nuke the islands rather than waste the forces required to take so many islands. Also trying to paint me as crazy to the CNRP2 community is pretty silly, everyone already knows I am.

 

edit: changing my name in your propaganda to EASTASIA isn't going to make me say "well gee maybe he is talking about Shanghai", I don't think anyone is RPing leadership THAT dumb.

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I stated if you don't change your IC behavior you would be attacked by me, and I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons if I needed to, which if your RP is to be followed, you would give me justification to simply nuke the islands rather than waste the forces required to take so many islands. Also trying to paint me as crazy to the CNRP2 community is pretty silly, everyone already knows I am.

 

No, you stated if my IC behavior doesnt change your will "force me from the game" and use nukes against every Hawaiian asset. Essentially genocide, and you got the US to agree to this. I was hoping to escape to South America but that's cut off from me too. All I have are some small islands in the south pacific which will get mopped up with more nukes or airpower.

 

Congrats, hope you're proud.

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