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[Rush Sykes]

I know you try to play the elder-statesman, but your demented inconsistent rants just make you look silly.

 

Congratulations IRON and VE :)

 

Inconsistent rants? From you, my friend? That is a pot-kettle ordeal. But, it is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, or my stance on it. IRON needs to stop being an emo alliance, and put on its big boy(or girl) panties and see the world for what it is. For 7 years you have been trying. For 7 years you have been failing. Why anyone would even give you a look, until you give yourselves a long, deep, internal look and create a real, and true identity for what it is you want to be, is really beyond me. Logs bare it out, dating back literally years. At the end of each conflict, you whine to one of your prominent allies about something in the conflict, we have all witnessed, and you carry that butthurt to an all new level, so emo, that Death Cab for Cutie (en emo band here on Dantooine Prime) would proudly sport the IRON flag. 

 

 

Edit: I realize you are no longer in IRON, but that does not change the relevance of my overarching point past, present, or futre... in regard to IRON.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Rush Sykes

[MCRABT]

Inconsistent rants? From you, my friend? That is a pot-kettle ordeal. But, it is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, or my stance on it. IRON needs to stop being an emo alliance, and put on its big boy(or girl) panties and see the world for what it is. For 7 years you have been trying. For 7 years you have been failing. Why anyone would even give you a look, until you give yourselves a long, deep, internal look and create a real, and true identity for what it is you want to be, is really beyond me. Logs bare it out, dating back literally years. At the end of each conflict, you whine to one of your prominent allies about something in the conflict, we have all witnessed, and you carry that butthurt to an all new level, so emo, that Death Cab for Cutie (en emo band here on Dantooine Prime) would proudly sport the IRON flag. 

 

 

Edit: I realize you are no longer in IRON, but that does not change the relevance of my overarching point past, present, or futre... in regard to IRON.

 

Do you care to give specific examples? Of course you don't because you specialise in making ridiculous generalisation grounded in fiction. For all the fluster and rage you spout out all over the OWF you say literally nothing of worth and for that reason you are considered in many corners of bob as nothing more that a mildly entertaining circus act. You remind me of a second hand car sales man pitching bollocks in the hope that you can fool some chump into believing your bullshit. Look beyond the surface and your piece of junk argument falls to pieces.

 

If the logs bare it out my dear Rush then lets see them. Success is subjective but at least I'm not spending my retirement roaming around the OWF like an escaped dementia patient.

Edited May 22, 2013 by MCRABT

[Rush Sykes]

Do you care to give specific examples? Of course you don't because you specialise in making ridiculous generalisation grounded in fiction. For all the fluster and rage you spout out all over the OWF you say literally nothing of worth and for that reason you are considered in many corners of bob as nothing more that a mildly entertaining circus act. You remind me of a second hand car sales man pitching bollocks in the hope that you can fool some chump into believing your bullshit. Look beyond the surface and your piece of junk argument falls to pieces.

 

If the logs bare it out my dear Rush then lets see them. Success is subjective but at least I'm not spending my retirement roaming around the OWF like an escaped dementia patient.

 

I will give you, my friend, not a log, but I will give a 100% Grade-A glimpse into the emo that is IRON. You see, about October of last year, several of you IRON folks graciously came over to our forums. We discussed a great many things. Most of which was 100% positive. Then came the day. That infamous day, when you cancelled on TOP. One of our members (leongsh, to be precise), just a member, never been in gov, never wanted to be in gov, but one of those rare general members who has a great handle on what is going on in CN, asked the question, that I am sure every forum asked you that day. Why did you cancel on TOP?

 

What was to follow, is something that lived in TLR government halls as an outrageous form of comedy for literally months, even to this day, I really cannot grasp that a grown ass man, the leader of a prominent alliance on CN, was so ridiculous as to say to us:"Secondly we were pissed with their failure to offer us morale support in the LSF incident because they viewed MK's fabricated CB in the Dave war as more important than our legitimate grievance

.

Seriously. You cited, as the 2nd most important reason behind the TOP cancellation, that you did not get MORAL support from them , in your war with LSF. The same LSF who was already swallowed up by NoR. The same LSF that you had probably a better than 30 to 1 advantage on (in addition to NoR wrecking them). Seriously man. MORAL SUPPORT. How does moral support manifest itself? Are they supposed to greet you daily with hugs and kisses? Send toilet paper and personal hygiene kits to your soldiers? 

 

You see, I have been around gov a LONG ass time in this game. LONG time. I  have seen , and even said myself, some crackpot crazy stupid stuff. And no matter what I, or anyone else said that was stupid... at least in my humble opinion, can even compare to a world leader, uttering those words, in an FA discussion, with another alliance. I literally felt like I was watching an emo teenager want to cut himself. At the end of the day, good sir. It is just me. Crazy, old... Rush. So none of what I say should matter to you (it really shouldnt)... but what SHOULD matter to you, is IRON's history. 

Edited May 22, 2013 by Rush Sykes

[Baltus]

Glad to see this. o/

[MCRABT]

I will give you, my friend, not a log, but I will give a 100% Grade-A glimpse into the emo that is IRON. You see, about October of last year, several of you IRON folks graciously came over to our forums. We discussed a great many things. Most of which was 100% positive. Then came the day. That infamous day, when you cancelled on TOP. One of our members (leongsh, to be precise), just a member, never been in gov, never wanted to be in gov, but one of those rare general members who has a great handle on what is going on in CN, asked the question, that I am sure every forum asked you that day. Why did you cancel on TOP?

 

What was to follow, is something that lived in TLR government halls as an outrageous form of comedy for literally months, even to this day, I really cannot grasp that a grown ass man, the leader of a prominent alliance on CN, was so ridiculous as to say to us:"Secondly we were pissed with their failure to offer us morale support in the LSF incident because they viewed MK's fabricated CB in the Dave war as more important than our legitimate grievance

.

Seriously. You cited, as the 2nd most important reason behind the TOP cancellation, that you did not get MORAL support from them , in your war with LSF. The same LSF who was already swallowed up by NoR. The same LSF that you had probably a better than 30 to 1 advantage on (in addition to NoR wrecking them). Seriously man. MORAL SUPPORT. How does moral support manifest itself? Are they supposed to greet you daily with hugs and kisses? Send toilet paper and personal hygiene kits to your soldiers? 

 

You see, I have been around gov a LONG ass time in this game. LONG time. I  have seen , and even said myself, some crackpot crazy stupid stuff. And no matter what I, or anyone else said that was stupid... at least in my humble opinion, can even compare to a world leader, uttering those words, in an FA discussion, with another alliance. I literally felt like I was watching an emo teenager want to cut himself. At the end of the day, good sir. It is just me. Crazy, old... Rush. So none of what I say should matter to you (it really shouldnt)... but what SHOULD matter to you, is IRON's history. 

 

Before I actually examine this hollow shell of a response lets examine your initial statement:

 

 

For 7 years you have been trying. For 7 years you have been failing

 

Actually IRON won every war it entered during my tenure as President.

 

 

 

At the end of each conflict, you whine to one of your prominent allies about something in the conflict, we have all witnessed, and you carry that butthurt to an all new level

 

That's a bold claim, IRON has been involved in 11 major wars, you have managed to scurry together evidence based on one break up, the break up of what was the oldest MD level treaty in the game. Even if the claims in your response were accurate this would not support your claim, in other words your simply making it up as you go along in the hope that no one calls you on it. Everyone knows you shout and scream for age upon page so rather than make the effort to contest terrible sales pitch they simply let it slide. Unfortunately for you I have the day off.

 

 

 

On to your response:

 

 

You cited, as the 2nd most important reason behind the TOP cancellation, that you did not get MORAL support from them

 

I've never separated the reasons for the TOP cancellation in terms of importance, I may have numbered them in order to present them in a list but nowhere have I suggested that one was more important than the other. On to the claim itself: actually my major problem as posted on your forums was:

 

 

Secondly we were pissed with their failure to offer us morale support in the LSF incident because they viewed MK's fabricated CB in the Dave war as more important than our legitimate grievance. We had to deal with all sorts of frantic "you can't do this" queries, to this day TOP maintains that we did the wrong thing hitting LSF because we placed MK's campaign in jeopardy. From our perspective the onus was on sensible folks like yourselves and INT not to defend idiotic behaviour rather than on us to tolerate it"

 

But hey! I understand it's easier to take one sentence from a statement, rip it from the context and then portray it as the entire thing.

 

Go back to the car lot Rush, I think you are lost.

Edited May 22, 2013 by MCRABT

[iamthey]

This makes me so ambivalent, I'm not sure who or what I am supposed to insult now. I get all my opinions from the treaty web. 

Edited May 22, 2013 by iamthey

[salsabeast1]

Good move by both parties, I like. Congrats :)

[duelking]

Of course I go to bed and it is posted right after so I could not immediately hail this.  :mellow:

 

It is about time this thing was announced though!  :ph34r:

 

<3 VE!

[Cardsrock32]

Of course I go to bed and it is posted right after so I could not immediately hail this.  :mellow:

 

It is about time this thing was announced though!  :ph34r:

 

<3 VE!

 

Ha, we were in the same boat!

 

Glad to see this finally posted and formalized! 

 

Love me some IRON!

[Kim Jaym Il]

interesting, congrats guys

[Neo Uruk]

Actually IRON won every war it entered during my tenure as President.

Not a hard task when they try to skip out every one they imagine will damage them.

[Third King]

I've enjoyed each of my wars with VE. Glad to get to know you all!

[MCRABT]

Not a hard task when they try to skip out every one they imagine will damage them.

 

Like they totally skipped out Umbrella in the last war right?

[IYIyTh]

IRON's flag is bigger.

Came here to post this right here. well done

[Neo Uruk]

Like they totally skipped out Umbrella in the last war right?

...Do you realize how large your advantage was? And now you're whining that NPO (who was the only reason you even got a stalemate) let you get your ass kicked.

[Icewolf]

...Do you realize how large your advantage was? And now you're whining that NPO (who was the only reason you even got a stalemate) let you get your ass kicked.

Hail to thee of such bright vision. This is even brighter than your past statements. Even the light of the all the brightest stars in the great realm of reality is nothing to your glorious brilliance in piercing the murky  greedy and guilt ridden heart of IRON. 

[Neo Uruk]

Hail to thee of such bright vision. This is even brighter than your past statements. Even the light of the all the brightest stars in the great realm of reality is nothing to your glorious brilliance in piercing the murky  greedy and guilt ridden heart of IRON. 

So skipping two of the last four wars and trying to skip Karma was what, now?

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

good work team

[Icewolf]

So skipping two of the last four wars and trying to skip Karma was what, now?

Not sure what you are going for but I have it down as simply being wrong. 

 

Equilibrium, Dave, Grudge....we saw action in all of those. So thats 3/3 making your 2 of last 4 impossible. 

[MCRABT]

...Do you realize how large your advantage was? And now you're whining that NPO (who was the only reason you even got a stalemate) let you get your ass kicked.

 

Do you realise how stupid you make yourself look every time you post here? I've made not a single mention of NPO in this thread or any other for that matter, but for arguments sake I'll overlook your indiscretion and play. 

 

I realise how big the advantage was in the middle-lower tiers, that was pretty much useless against the vast majority of Umbrella. By the way NPO didn't fight a single war against Umbrella above 90K NS, they had literally no upper tier at all. As your coalition pointed out for the entire war, you had the advantage in the upper tier. Now careful don't backtrack yourself off the end of the world.

[Neo Uruk]

Not sure what you are going for but I have it down as simply being wrong. 

 

Equilibrium, Dave, Grudge....we saw action in all of those. So thats 3/3 making your 2 of last 4 impossible. 

Not counting Equilibrium, sorry. And I forgot you did engage VE in Dave, heh.

 

 

Do you realise how stupid you make yourself look every time you post here? I've made not a single mention of NPO in this thread or any other for that matter, but for arguments sake I'll overlook your indiscretion and play. 

 

I realise how big the advantage was in the middle-lower tiers, that was pretty much useless against the vast majority of Umbrella. By the way NPO didn't fight a single war against Umbrella above 90K NS, they had literally no upper tier at all. As your coalition pointed out for the entire war, you had the advantage in the upper tier. Now careful don't backtrack yourself off the end of the world.

I'm referencing NPO because you were bragging about your "achievements" with IRON. but uh. nobody said NPO fought Umbrella? Just that you waited to attack because you didn't have the world backing you before then. IRON just isn't as grand as you make it seem. Not declaring in a losing war isn't as big a deal as you make it. GGA managed to declare a winning war in noCB, look what a clusterfuck they were.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Neo Uruk

[jutopia la]

Congrats IRON and VE!

[MCRABT]

Not counting Equilibrium, sorry. And I forgot you did engage VE in Dave, heh.

 

IRON engaged Sparta and VE in Dave. Do your homework before throwing around falsehoods. I feel embarrassed for you.

[The Warrior]

Glad to see this announced. Lots of good people in VE.

 

o/ VE

[Neo Uruk]

IRON engaged Sparta and VE in Dave. Do your homework before throwing around falsehoods. I feel embarrassed for you.

Yeah, a forgettable effort against alliances that were heavily entangled (that you then used to paint TOP as the "bad guy" of the relationship, by the way, just like you're doing with NPO now)