Admin, why do you hate freedom?

[Kzoppistan]

http://www.cybernations.net/about_topics.asp#Government_Type

So I just noticed that in the Government Type chart that Democracy is the only selection that gets only TWO bonuses. Sure, there is a boost to the enviroment. It's got the [i]real[/i] bonuses, +1 to happiness and Soldiers Effic.+8%, but really, that's it?


[center][b]Why do you hate freedom, Admin?[/b]


[size="1"]Why?[/size][/center]





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Also,

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Edited May 27, 2011 by Kzoppistan

[King Xander the Only]

This is an outrage.

[flak attack]

Democracy gives three bonuses.

[Kzoppistan]

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1306473859' post='2718860']
Democracy gives three bonuses.
[/quote]

Are you counting the enviromental boost?

[Drai]

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1306473962' post='2718861']
Are you counting the enviromental boost?
[/quote]
Well yeah, Federal+Totalitarian+Revolutionary+Monrachy have 3 bonuses, Republic has 2 + environment (exact same as Democracy), Dictatorship has 3 and a negative environment.

You have to include environment, it's a bonus.

Edited May 27, 2011 by Drai

[Kzoppistan]

Then why didn't the enviroment have it's own column, instead of that dubious, and probably dangerous to your children and freedom, [b]red star[/b] thingy? Hmmm? I'll tell you why, because it doesn't equal a check in a column, which means that democracy, according to this bogus and spiteful ranking system, is still last.

Booo!

Edited May 27, 2011 by Kzoppistan

[MrMuz]

It's got the best bonuses, that's why. Democracy FTW. Like I care about +5% land or -2% mil.

[Kalasin]

Representative democracy is not freedom. It simply sustains class conflict, and friction between the government and the people. The working classes in democracies are not truly free but are exploited by the wealthy capitalist classes and alienated from their own creative natures by the way they work in democratic, capitalist societies. Therefore, Admin does not have a vendetta against freedom, only against democracy. And good on him for making a stand for the rights of the working classes. Onwards to socialist utopia.

[Mogar]

that girl is adorable, whoever made her cry should be executed

[Kzoppistan]

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1306476795' post='2718885']
Representative democracy is not freedom. It simply sustains class conflict, and friction between the government and the people. The working classes in democracies are not truly free but are exploited by the wealthy capitalist classes and alienated from their own creative natures by the way they work in democratic, capitalist societies. Therefore, Admin does not have a vendetta against freedom, only against democracy. And good on him for making a stand for the rights of the working classes. Onwards to socialist utopia.
[/quote]

You and Vladimir should get a room.

[Kalasin]

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1306477023' post='2718888']
You and Vladimir should get a room.


[/quote]

Rofl. I was joking actually, I'm not *really* a Marxist.

(cheers Azaghul)

Edited May 28, 2011 by Kalasin

[Drai]

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1306474499' post='2718867']
Then why didn't the enviroment have it's own column, instead of that dubious, and probably dangerous to your children and freedom, [b]red star[/b] thingy? Hmmm? I'll tell you why, because it doesn't equal a check in a column, which means that democracy, according to this bogus and spiteful ranking system, is still last.

Booo!
[/quote]
This would be funnier if you actually belived the environment bonus was the worst one there.

[BamaBuc]

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1306477064' post='2718889']
Rofl. I was actually trolling, I'm not *actually* a Marxist.
[/quote]
Haha, I was about to say... I don't think I've met many Catholic Marxists.

-Bama

[Groucho Marx]

I miss the days when Monarchy was the best.

[Kalasin]

[quote name='BamaBuc' timestamp='1306507610' post='2719000']
Haha, I was about to say... I don't think I've met many Catholic Marxists.

-Bama
[/quote]

I don't identify with any denomination, but I'm most certainly not a Catholic . Broadly Protestant, I suppose.

Still, point taken.

Edited May 28, 2011 by Kalasin

[BamaBuc]

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1306554225' post='2719321']
I don't identify with any denomination, but I'm most certainly not a Catholic . Broadly Protestant, I suppose.

Still, point taken.
[/quote]
Wait, didn't you say in the Harold Camping thread... Eh, I've got you confused with someone else. Oh well.

-Bama

EDIT: Yeah, Kenadian looks kind of like Kalasin if you're really tired.

Edited May 28, 2011 by BamaBuc

[Archmage]

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1306542468' post='2719217']
I miss the days when Monarchy was the best.
[/quote]

I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of...

Yes, I miss those days also.

[ShouAS]

Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

[Vladimir]

[quote name='BamaBuc' timestamp='1306507610' post='2719000']
Haha, I was about to say... I don't think I've met many Catholic Marxists.

-Bama
[/quote]
You need to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology"]broaden your horizons[/url], comrade. Though it should be further noted that the happiness bonus brought about by democracy here is transitory and ultimately illusionary.

Looking at the nation as a unitary object and ignoring the fundamental class divisions within it is a transparent attempt to separate the economic base from the political superstructure, and thus to obscure the whole reality of our being. As a result Admin misses the long-term trend towards working class immiseration and instead picks up on the decadent wealth and power of a ruling class brought about by a defunct economic system and its associated so-called 'democratic' superstructure. He then proceeds to present this decadence as a universal 'happiness', when in fact far from providing this what we actually see is the happiness of the exploiting and the woe of the exploited. This can only be interpreted as a hostile attempt by Admin to hide the immeserated from popular consciousness by a process of social cleansing that can only be reminiscent of Germany in the mid-1930s.

I contend therefore that equating the happiness of an exploiting class to the happiness of an entire nation is a ludicrous proposal -- that happiness for the slave owners is no happiness at all. And I conclude that the appropriate response is to remove the happiness bonus from democracy.

And we all know that Kalasin would get a room with me anyway. After all, as well as being a Marxist I am devilishly handsome and charismatic. Kzoppistan can come too.

[xoindotnler]

Democracy killed my cat.

[Dexomega]

This is a massive issue and calls for a Cybernations Referendum immediately.

[Sandwich Controversy]

Heh, democracy phails

[Kalasin]

[quote name='Vladimir' timestamp='1306598021' post='2719535']
You need to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology"]broaden your horizons[/url], comrade. Though it should be further noted that the happiness bonus brought about by democracy here is transitory and ultimately illusionary.

Looking at the nation as a unitary object and ignoring the fundamental class divisions within it is a transparent attempt to separate the economic base from the political superstructure, and thus to obscure the whole reality of our being. As a result Admin misses the long-term trend towards working class immiseration and instead picks up on the decadent wealth and power of a ruling class brought about by a defunct economic system and its associated so-called 'democratic' superstructure. He then proceeds to present this decadence as a universal 'happiness', when in fact far from providing this what we actually see is the happiness of the exploiting and the woe of the exploited. This can only be interpreted as a hostile attempt by Admin to hide the immeserated from popular consciousness by a process of social cleansing that can only be reminiscent of Germany in the mid-1930s.

I contend therefore that equating the happiness of an exploiting class to the happiness of an entire nation is a ludicrous proposal -- that happiness for the slave owners is no happiness at all. And I conclude that the appropriate response is to remove the happiness bonus from democracy.

And we all know that Kalasin would get a room with me anyway. After all, as well as being a Marxist I am devilishly handsome and charismatic. Kzoppistan can come too.
[/quote]

The hilarious thing is I'm not even sure whether you're trying to take off the Marxist position or whether you're being deadly serious. I *think* you're trying to be funny and I certainly found it funny but I'm not sure. You're a Marxist after all, they aren't known for their senses of humour! And you have fit the stereotype of the deadpan materialist so well for so long that it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf!

[crawlerbot]

Communism ftw!

[Duncan King]

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1306474499' post='2718867']
Then why didn't the enviroment have it's own column, instead of that dubious, and probably dangerous to your children and freedom, [b]red star[/b] thingy? Hmmm? I'll tell you why, because it doesn't equal a check in a column, which means that democracy, according to this bogus and spiteful ranking system, is still last.

Booo!
[/quote]
Even worse, it's a RED star! It's the symbol of the red menace.