WorldConqueror

[quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1297632842' post='2631441'] LMAO! I'm sure NPO wasn't expecting to call in a dozen of their allies to fight, originally, a 50 man alliance. One youtube video later.... Jarheads has over 400 nations! [/quote] Heh, yeah that war is kinda funny in retrospect, at the time it was just frustrating, all those targets and not being able to hit any of them.

[quote name='Midkn1ght' timestamp='1297628048' post='2631363'] Go read your embassy. I'll summarize what I said when that exact same argument was made in there. Your friends had to be shamed into fighting for you in karma, they were going to leave you out to die until it was rather obvious they were going to be rolled regardless on if they came in or not. Your "friends" are only your friends because no one else really gives a crap about them. Don't mistake dependency for loyalty. TPF is the only alliance I'd give credit for, for being a true friend, and an ally you'd never want to loose. The rest *shrug* if you love them you love them. All that really matters I guess. But after your surrender and terms are up this go around, don't MDP NSO as your first act and then talk about how you're trying to be neutral and left alone and wonder why no one believes you and thinks you're just biding your time for a strike back. [/quote] Why exactly does treatying NSO confirm the image of a revanchist Pacifica?

[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1297571319' post='2630900'] [*]Polar-aligned alliances see the worst drops in tier two, with [color=gray][i]The Phoenix Federation[/i][/color], [color=#48D1CC][i]Ragnarok[/i][/color], and [color=blue][i]Nueva Vida[/i][/color] all losing more than a quarter-point. While the [color=black]Goon Order of Oppression Negligence and Sadism[/color] posts a comparible gain, everyone is rather quiet. [color=green][i]Legacy[/i][/color] posts the sole gain of the group.[/list] [/quote] I think you meant comparable loss for GOONS.

[quote name='Myzebedeeistaken' timestamp='1297620200' post='2631259'] My most sincere apologies, but it seems in your desire to make yourself heard, you've answered a question not put to you again. Is this a regular feature of your communications? You must forgive me my moments of confusion when people do that. The technicians are saying that your broadcasting on a wavelength usually reserved for Pacificans; you didn't happen to forget to retune your broadcasting device did you? I seem to recollect your name from somewhere... I must have a word with my briefing staff. Strangest sense of deja vu. Another life perhaps? As for 'a shot at Pacifica', I think I've explained myself fully above. There is a dischord between MV's message to the world and others I have been sent; I am querying that. While you are happy to pick and choose which part of the message you wish to hear and attempt to explain, in your own vapidly humorous way, that words may have multiple meanings, I'm not sure the message as a whole can be taken so ambiguously. One can't have it both ways. Here in Mancland it was translated as ludicrous hyperbole which gave an impression totally at odds with the image Pacifica have been trying to cultivate around Planet Bob. Starkly at odds. However, I am sure that Pacifica is reassured that someone so long gone remains as fanatically and fiercely protective of the multiplicity of meaning contained within messages from their nations. It's a trait Paradoxians of all persuasions can empathise with. You may take what I say with a pinch of salt but I am being honest. The people of Mancland have no sense of a personal vengeance to fulfill against Pacifica. A Pacifican nation broadcast a message to the world at complete and total odds with messages received from its own alliance's government. It was couched in ludicrously hyperbolic terms, but a message it was all the same. I thank you for your time yet again as I know you spent some time composing your last message. It is appreciated that you are trying to couch your insults in some form of reasoned debate. I'm not sure it is necessarily winning me over to the viewpoint you are trying to espouse but I can see that you are making a tremendous effort and applaud that. [/quote] I'm afraid you are mistaken, this is a public wavelength my friend. While your question was put to a member of Pacifica, it is quite clear to everyone who is not you that the answer is plainly 'no'. His words do not equate to the meaning you have cooked up to attribute to them. And it is possible you have seen my name in other realms. And yes, there is a discord there. I'm still not sure how that makes no sleep and plotting = masochism and psychopathy, which was your original point. And yes, MV's statement was ludicrous hyperbole at odds with the message being propagated by Pacifica. That would be because he is one outspoken member, not a member of government. And that's it, I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from. MV does not speak for Pacifica. And since you seem to recognize that fact, I'm left wondering what you hoped to achieve. MV had already come out and said something stupid, so why you felt the need to attribute it with a different meaning confuses me. All you achieved was making yourself look equally stupid, and kicking off our lovely conversation here. And yes, I still have a lot of affection and respect for Pacifica, I guess that's what happens when you are part of a community for 4 years. But I left a month ago, so I wouldn't really say 'so long gone'. And yes, I assumed that you had no personal desire for vengeance against Pacifica, which is why I mentioned the hair ruffle. If you and other TOP members (I don't know why TOP members would have a desire to roll NPO) have no interest in or desire to see Pacifica rolled, why are you cheering so often and loudly for it now that your new treaty partner is engaging in it? Why are you trying so hard to paint them in a bad light, going so far as to try to rewrite the dictionary just to make a stupid comment seem more stupid? Your guess is as good as mine, I enjoy the mental imagery of the hair ruffle though. And you see, when somebody takes up a ridiculous stance like your 'no sleep and plotting = masochism and psychopathy' idea, I find it terribly hard not to insult them. It's a crippling affliction. However, it's not done in an attempt to win you over to my point of view, simply to point out how pants-on-head retarded yours is.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1297530141' post='2630402'] That was sort of my point. I'll also remind you that it was you, above all others, who cynically exploited it to your personal advantage. You are no hero and deserve no thanks. [/quote] Christ. Think you'll ever stop acting like everybody's grandma?

[quote name='Myzebedeeistaken' timestamp='1297608665' post='2631158'] Not sure about hair ruffling, certainly bemused by the tone which your nations strike. My nation wasn't founded when you were in 'power' so to speak, and the tone of your post and that of your fellow Pacifican certainly jars with the overtures from, say, Cortath (I believe he's your Emperor?). I'll leave it to your Pacifican language tutors to explain why a desire to be beaten blue hints at masochism - although it seems you feel you're just addressing a tiny snippet of an overall message. Curious stance to take. Maybe it's just your quaint Pacifican ways to try ad hominem attacks rather than answer a question honestly put from one who has heard many tales but seen little of substance during your isolation. If this is the substance, it does make me wonder. edit: Oh my word, you're not Pacifican. You're NSO. Explains everything. Thank you for your time good sir. [/quote] Indeed, I am in NSO. Not sure how you missed it, what with it saying 'New Sith Order' to the left, or the picture of the Sith flag below, but that's ok. Not everyone can...read and see pictures, I guess. What my AA has to do with anything I'm not really sure, I was in the NPO for 4 years if that makes you feel better. Anyway, the reason I took that tone is because your earlier post betrays your desire to somehow attack the NPO, without having anything with which to beat them. You quoted and bolded part of MV's post, when your post was in no way a response to it, which I pointed out in my previous post. If you remove the parts that as I pointed out have no basis in reality, your attempt at biting witticism becomes 'Pacifica is an alliance of insomniacs with tendencies?'. OH NO. You see, the part where your argument falls down is that to most people, never sleeping and/or plotting does not equal a desire to be beaten. If it did, every alliance here would be masochistic. And the same could probably be said about psychopathic, since plotting doesn't necessarily imply something bad. They could be plotting to give you the best surprise party ever! Or plotting a course by the stars (yes, facetious). But no, according to you because MV said they never sleep and always plot, they are masochistic and psychopathic. Seems the Paradoxian tutors have failed you. And on top of that, trying to make a statement from MV into a stance taken by Pacifica as an alliance is ridiculous. And so you see, your 'question honestly put' was nothing more than a ridiculous attempt to get a shot in at Pacifica, but you already knew that. As for overtures from Cortath, that's his and Pacifica's business. I will say though that I was involved the last time Pacifica attempted to settle things with TOP. I'm sure it's still there for you to view at your communications hub.

[quote name='Myzebedeeistaken' timestamp='1297602431' post='2631128'] The Mancland translation facilities aren't the greatest with Pacifican, so they've asked me to doublecheck with you - did you really just say "Pacifica is an alliance of masochistic insomniacs with psychopathic tendencies"? Is your condition treatable? [/quote] Not sure where you got masochistic from the bit you bolded. Or psychopathic really, he didn't say 'plots TO KILL YOU ALL'. I'm sure the effort you put in will still win you your so-desired hair ruffling though, congratulations!

[quote name='Zero-One' timestamp='1296584634' post='2614833'] Despite being completely out-gunned from the beginning by 3 of Umbrella's finest, Magusland of NPO had put up a great fight. His partner (Ramen) didn't help since he turtled the whole war. Magusland didn't talk much at all (pity really), but he's a worthy opponent on the battlefield. Are you reading this GOONS? Put your competent fighters on this guy as you'll have a tough time with him. [/quote] Yeah Magus is good, it's that Executors lineage I'll give a shoutout to Flotsam/Lex Quintus of GOONS, out of my 4 initial targets he was the one that put the hurt on me. Sardonic already had a couple of targets and was slightly below my NS, and the two MK guys I faced were surprisingly bad at war. Lex managed to knock a lot of my NS off, especially since everyone was so nice as to let him nuke me everyday Kudos.

Awesome, great to be fighting alongside you guys. Have fun out there TOOL.

Go away, this is dumb.

[quote name='Crushtania' timestamp='1297298944' post='2627452'] I was absolutely appalled by the panhandling many Pacificans and Pacifican sympathisers bombarded me with in the lead up to this war. I have never been NPO's fan and their standing has only slipped in my mind. [/quote] What. MHA was never a consideration in any way for NPO. Sure the people they sent over were doing a good job, they didn't want anything from you though. Why would they when your performance this war confirmed all suspicions? Also, you held a treaty with them for long enough.

I'd like to hear Random's thoughts on the MK-Polar relationship, in regards to the formation of the treaty (marriage of convenience or product of strong ties), and the eventual breakdown of the relationship. I'm also curious to hear how he feels about Polar's role in helping MK to political prominence after WotC.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1297088148' post='2623979'] So you are telling me you see nothing wrong with attacking an alliance while it is under terms, demilitarised and under your sworn protection. [/quote] Not in this case, no. They voided the agreement by breaking the terms, the protection was rightfully rescinded and they were attacked for their flagrant disregard for the terms which they had committed to comply with as the price of peace from the previous war. FAN's crocodile tears over being attacked for a material breach of terms has always amazed me, and even more so that other people bought into it. I don't see why Pacifica was just expected to give them a free pass. [quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1297096095' post='2624077'] So I'll take that as a failure to cite your references. [/quote] I'm far too lazy to go digging through thousands of posts in various threads for your gratification.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1297064788' post='2623786'] No, like Jocko, I expect you to burn. I dont expect you are even capable of contrition, remorse, or repentence; you cant even be bothered to fake it convincingly. I wish it were otherwise, but time and again you prove it so. Here's a good example: That ain't no apology. That ain't even close. I would call it an insult. [/quote] Good for you bro. Guess what, I'm not in Pacifica any more. I personally don't feel bad about anything I did under the Pacifican flag, but trying to equate my stances with that of Pacifica today is pretty dumb. And take it for what you will, that's what I remember being said in public. I'm sure there were much more frank discussions in private. From my point of view the redeclaration was perfectly justified, the only point of contention for me is the length of the war. So I'm not particularly inclined to remember any more apologetic statements.

[quote name='Jocko Homo' timestamp='1297059531' post='2623624'] Can you please cite your references for this statement please? Because if you are stating that Pacifica and Dilber and Moo have each apologized to FAN, and that is who Sigrun Vapneir was clearly talking about, then I suspect that you sir are telling an untruth. [/quote] Damn you and your edits forcing me to change my response. It seemed to me that he started out talking about FAN and then went into more general terms, but anyway. Pacifica has said multiple times that the events around the redeclaration could have been handled better and that that war shouldn't have gone as long as it did, I seem to remember a statement from Moo to that effect around Karma. As for Dilber, I'm not sure. Why you want an apology from Dilber when Moo was Emperor for both wars I'm not sure either. And Cortath as current Emperor approached you guys as well. His piece (OOC?: on CN radio) showed he spent time and effort trying to clear the air with FAN.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1297055156' post='2623333'] I'm not FAN obviously, but I have to say I agree with them, I even think they are too forgiving, there are some other names that should be added to the list. but obviously those two were big. Those two may not be government anymore, but they are still sheltered and honoured (in Dilbers case, until he left, voluntarily) by you and it leaves an observer with every reason to believe you dont really think it was so wrong about what they did. As has every pathetic mumbling that you wanted to pretend was an apology. You spin war crimes as errors in judgement or strategic mis-steps then act surprised when your victims (at least the fraction of us that are still around) dont feel like forgiving you? The rules of the forum wont let me even begin to state my honest reaction to that. Most people would say I am fighting on your side right now, since most people are insisting on treating the two wars going on as one. But make no mistake, I may be defending Polaris, because Viridia was too crude and too arrogant to leave me any other choice, and I may even agree with quite a few of your other observations, but I am still cheering for FAN here. [/quote] That's crap. You expect Pacifica to expel two of it's past Emperors or something? Pacifica apologized for their actions, as did Dilber and Moo. To expect that NPO would throw them to the dogs to win favour with anyone is ridiculous. Would you have sacrificed Mpol for NoR/NoV? And war crimes? Come on mang, are you the next ShinRa or something? Going to start raving about genocide and death camps soon?

I've been a fan of you guys since Karma. Good luck out there.

[quote name='Masterof9puppets' timestamp='1296979372' post='2621847'] Maybe someday someone will actually declare a war on Umbrella. [/quote] Not our fault you guys cheated by hoarding all the NS. :colbert:

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1296791096' post='2618732'] Right so, you'd want Valhalla to enter on your side, to see them burn? [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-thumbsup.gif[/img] [/quote] Eh, I can't say I wouldn't enjoy MK and Val engaging in some MAD.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296790778' post='2618711'] When you can't physically attack someone (PM) then why would you make some statement. What's it going to say "We would be at war if you came out and let us fight you?" [/quote] You have ongoing wars against other alliances. If you feel there is a need to DoW on these guys then it would seem to make sense to also issue a DoW on the others you are fighting within the same announcement.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1296790583' post='2618698'] And here comes the pre-emptive treaty guilting bang on time! [/quote] Heh, not really. The only reason I'd want Valhalla to enter is to see them burn. I just felt his snarky little comment about leaving allies to burn should be addressed, since he has allies engaged on various fronts and yet is sitting pretty on the sidelines.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1296790203' post='2618673'] If there are any nations in our range in TPF, then of course we're at war with them. The only reason this hasn't been acknowledged is because TPF (and the rest of the NPO and NPO's ally's) upper tiers are hiding from us in PM. [/quote] Why wasn't this a recognition of hostilities with all those you are engaged with, instead of just TPF and ML?

[quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1296789093' post='2618612'] So now that tPF has called in their allies will they continue to hide their members in peace mode while ML burns. Not that that would be a dick move or anything. [/quote] So now that ML is in the war will Valhalla continue to hide while ML burns. (yay Duckroll?) Not that that would be a dick move or anything.

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1296715063' post='2617369'] By the time CSN saw FHU's DoW this thread was up. [/quote] Heh, fair enough. I don't fault your DoW, simply her crowing reaction to a much smaller foe being piled on by an ally, and somehow trying to claim that as an achievement for herself. 'LOOK AT MEEE, MY ALLIES CAN HONOUR TREATIES, AREN'T I !@#$@#$ AWESOME?!' [quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1296715362' post='2617378'] As I've noticed in the few threads I am active in tonight, it is way more fun to throw facts and simple logic out the window and just throw around half-a**ed attempts at insults. LOL NSO. YOU SHOULD BRING YOUR TOP TIER OUT OF PEACE MODE, IDIOTS! (am I cool now?) anyways, good luck GOD and FHU(?). May your war be fun and stuff. [/quote] Heh, well that is true. Can't let reason get in the way of a good zing, you might miss out on some high-fivesies from fellow dip****s.

[quote name='Emperor Whimsical' timestamp='1296712605' post='2617285'] They were pinned to the dirt by the elite LoSS squadron. Go find more alliances to throw at GOONS. [/quote] I'm not following all these random fronts, but I assume that was meant to be funny, so I'll throw you an lolk. And yes, because I am controlling this sides strategy, right? Oh man, you got me good.