The Trail

Definatly a winning treaty from 2 fine alliances.

good read

[quote name='Rocky Horror' timestamp='1300455062' post='2669055'] I've never seen a successful alliance operating in any way other than as a socialist dictatorship. [/quote] IRON works as an Oligarchy dont know why people think most alliances work as a socialist society. If every alliance was run as a socialist society then the high nations would be suffering to grow the small nations (which is not the case now is it?) [quote name='8 Mile' timestamp='1300491431' post='2669553'] I'll give you three examples that are currently sanctioned: GATO. ODN. MHA. [/quote] 2 out of those 3 I wouldnt exactly call succesfull.

http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/NEW-DF_War @ OP. Yep New hegemony is better and sticks with its allies

[quote name='Draztikus' timestamp='1300211025' post='2665645'] Except OPA, right? Wouldn't want to see IRON nations advocating Orange-on-Orange violence... [/quote] *shrug* nice try but yes ODN would then be able to attack OPA. But attacking OPA will have consequences but yes by all rules of CN warfare Valid CB would be valid, just as our counter would be valid.

that 6 mill from IRON must have been tech deals. We havent officially aided anyone in the war.

[quote name='Jackred' timestamp='1300149547' post='2665071'] Thought this was a upgrade comrades! 0/ Soviet efficiency overfilling annoucement quotas! [/quote] you mean ineffeciency being unable to see if something was already announced or not

Your average ODN member people. The real reason ODN declared on an irrelevent alliance in support of MK (COJ which didnt need ODN nations to attack since the slots were easily filled or peaced) that said ODN is free to hit all alliances for aiding an enemy of ODN.

This is the only peace treaty I am going to congratulate goons for. Congrats GOONS but did you even recognize TLR as an alliance?

How hard was it for you guys to get GOD to sign white peace?

[quote name='King Louis the II' timestamp='1300041793' post='2663127'] Hopefully we can keep growing both "way" AND "another" Say my best wishes to the good people of Iron. Which, by the way, is a great example of growing and improvement. An more importantly, overcoming difficult times. [/quote] Organisation, Determination Thanks for the compliment but our growth is still not optimal enough (mind you mostly because of your average CN player who doesnt care to tech trade or be involved in alliance affairs)

[quote name='Heinrich Schuster' timestamp='1300017132' post='2662830'] Giving up so easily? Yet another alliance that shows they cant hack it under pressure. [/quote] ..... Bwahahahahaha.

[quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1300034944' post='2663014'] These reparations [i]are[/i] pretty brutal. TKTB seem to be taking it in stride at least. Congratulations on peace and good luck completing these terms. [/quote] This is funny in so many different ways. I have to agree with Ardus here. Unless CSN decides to wave its reps (and waves the stupid 2000 tech requirement for the reps owed to legacy) you really shouldnt talk.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1299645394' post='2657482'] Hail the [s]mighty and fearsome[/s]half-assed TOP war machine [/quote] Athens versus TOP? im betting my money on TOP

well, sparta had to grow some way or another.

Personally (and everything I say ahead is still personal) I hold no ill will against FAN, That said I also hold no ill will being part of IRON back then and engaging in war against them. We personally felt hounded and under constant pressure from FAN and then GOONS (or GOONs, who the hell knows or cares). These 2 alliances raided, acted belligerent, were generally hostile and hard to work with and made me aswell as our general membership feel uneasy and always watching our toes. IRON broke its 'independence' and 'neutrality' at the time to overcome its fears. We helped brought down both FAN and GOONS and yes even till this day I still feel proud to be a part of that. But as you might realize this story has some what of a twist, I did not agree with VietFAN or the GOONS eternal War/Peace mode/Disbandment (or other terms for it) and as I recall neither did our leadership or membership. We skip to now. World at war some valid reasons, some dubious reasons, some valid normal reps, some extortion sized reps. And yet this war does bring up old feelings, Feelings I had around 2007 the fear of getting rolled or stepping on toes, not personally right now (IRON is safe and stable with good allies) but I can see certain alliances feeling some sort of pressure that we had. This war will bring about its change and hopefully things will change to be normal instead of one group being vocal and the other group taking it because the other group will crush em. [quote]"He Who Fights Monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." — Friedrich Nietzsche[/quote] Something that certainly was forgotten during karma Alliances should watch out that they do not abuse their power and turn into the monster they deposed of in the karma war and again now (albeit monsters?), and again in a year or 2 (bets anyone?) Ill end it with this, Im sorry for VietFan and the GOONS disbandment but at the same time I felt justified in fighting against to what we saw as tyrants (what other alliances might have experienced I do not know these are just the feelings I had during that time in IRON and feelings certainly shared with some of my alliance mates at the time) ooc: its past 7 am and I havent slept yet so its hard to utter these words in a good context and things that makes sense, I actually had more of a ramble before I rewrote it)

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1299608459' post='2656843'] If an alliance is not relevent, why bother reading their annoucements? And then why bother responding? [/quote] Laughs.

This guy is hilarious.

Anathema 2 2 100% 12,302 6,151 0.07 I think this thread should end.

[quote name='Salmia' timestamp='1299480732' post='2655181'] So allies of allies now determine who we should be allied to? TOOL has a diverse amount of allies,[/quote] IRON for one. I guess by their logic if we had to enter on a counter for TOOL we would be NPO lapdogs aswell right? >.>

congratulations GoOnS

[quote name='Xavii' timestamp='1299501262' post='2655357'] We see this as breach of terms and will act accordingly regardless of how CD & friends wants to spin it. [/quote] Cool, But the thing is even if it is a breech the ones who signed the terms have to punish CD for it. If the signatorys think its a breech then they go to war (or so I assume. not sure what the terms says about violations) I wont be surprised if the ones who CD surrendered to (sorry too lazy to check out who it was, CD = insignificant) will attack in 2-3 days tops (depending on if they are still mobilized or not)

because, you know, flags are supposed to be flags... not avatars or logos's. cactaur riding a dinosaur is not a flag its just a picture that is only avatar worthy.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1299516939' post='2655502'] You know perfectly well what I am talking about. I know you'd prefer to portray yourselves as loyal allies who would never plot wars against your own MDP partners, but some of us know better. [/quote] Being an ally of said alliance (albeit holding no government positions) care to elaborate? because personally, I think you are full of well you know what I mean

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1299299575' post='2653130'] No, just amusement at this project, and a relatively confident feeling that it will fail. Giving people protection in exchange for say, trading with you or selling tech to you has never attracted alot of people. Off the top of my head, two projects that are similar but not quite the same are RIA Trading Partner and Brown Trade Partner. Go look up how many members are on those AAs, think about how many will join this, and compare that to the effort necessary to make it work. Doesn't seem like a valuable use of effort, but if TOP/Iron want to give it a shot, by all means... have at it. [/quote] Our intel says otherwise and we have a lot more manpower to put behind the efforts of this AA. RIA trading partner doesnt look bad. But I think our plan is able to do 4-5 times better