Timmmehhh

So Legion drops two strong allies (BAPS and Valhalla) in order to get a treaty with NpO?

It's also funny to see that NpO side had the advantage NS wise untill TOP and IRON made their pre-emptive strike. They Polar side had • Nation Count: 3,018 • Nation Strength: 69,867,422 • Nuke Count: 15,949 We had • Nation Count: 1,778 • Nation Strength: 52,974,080 • Nuke Count: 12,973 Source http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=11169&view=findpost&p=2138279

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1292004319' post='2535744'] Thank you, glad to see someone can see the true intentions through all the smoke and mirrors. As for the BiPolar War, I felt maybe FOK and PC can comment more on that. Edit: [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=11169&view=findpost&p=2123450"]Stats via the sanction race[/url]. Check the performances for yourself. [/quote] 2010-Jan-21 • NpO 55,90 (434 members) • \m/ 8.67 2010-Jan-22 • New Polar Order : 55.30 --> 56.07 (+0.77) • Poison Clan : 13.06 --> 14.34 (+1.28) • \m/ : 8.67 --> 8.48 (-0.19) 2010-Jan-23 • New Polar Order : 56.07 --> 56.03 (-0.04) • Poison Clan : 14.34 --> 17.08 (+2.74) • \m/ : 8.48 --> 8.21 (-0.27) 2010-Jan-24 • New Polar Order : 56.03 --> 55.33 (-0.70) • FOK : 31.74 --> 31.64 (-0.10) • Poison Clan : 17.08 --> 17.32 (+0.24) • \m/ : 8.21 --> 8.11 (-0.10) 2010-Jan-25 • New Polar Order : 55.33 --> 54.01 (-1.32) • FOK : 31.64 --> 31.28 (-0.36) • Poison Clan : 17.32 --> 17.25 (-0.07) • \m/ : 8.11 --> 7.89 (-0.22) 2010-Jan-26 • New Polar Order: 54.01 --> 51.16 (-2.85) • FOK: 31.28 --> 30.43 (-0.85) • Poison Clan: 17.25 --> 16.83 (-0.42) • \m/: 7.89 --> 7.63 (-0.26) 2010-Jan-27 • New Polar Order: 51.16 --> 49.93 (-1.23) • FOK: 30.43 --> 29.92 (-0.51) • Poison Clan: 16.83 --> 16.46 (-0.37) • \m/: 7.63 --> 7.33 (-0.30) 2010-Jan-28 • New Polar Order: 49.93 --> 48.33 (-1.60) (441 members, gained 7 members, which increases score) • FOK: 29.92 --> 29.17 (-0.75) • Poison Clan: 16.46 --> 16.21 (-0.25) • \m/: 7.33 --> 7.10 (-0.23) NpO went from 55.90 to 48.33 in 7 days while gaining 7 members. To be fair they were fighting a lot of alliances, and because of their early attack on \m/ we (FOK) were able to stagger most fighting nations. Biggest mistake I felt they made is that they overdeployed on PC and \m/ (3vs1) but didn't expect other alliances to join in. We (FOK and Stickmen) stepped in and were manage to stagger NpO while they didn't had much peacemode reserves at all). FOK, PC and especially \m/ still had huge reserves. NOTE: NpO was also fighting Stickmen and FOK was also fighting NSO and the Aztec bloc.

Sparta would win kinda easily I think.

I sense a plot to destroy the GOONS. Act on this we must.

GATO and the other Synergy alliances are good people. I don't get this move at all. The Imperial Order is basically a micro-alliance with a big mouth. For some reason these TIO people seem to hate the bloc my alliance is part of therefore I don't like them either.

Looks like a real solid bloc. Congrats

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1286484961' post='2478145'] You have all the right to disagree, what doesn't make what I said less true, in fact in your own post you prove my point right, now we all know why ODN doesn't wanted to let the war happen, they thought that they were in the losing side. Somethings never change... [/quote] Not this again. Last time the ODN was planning to go to war, the second Unjust war, they were planning to join the smaller side. They showed that they are a pretty solid alliance against IRON and TOP too.

[quote name='Tigerdonia Redux' timestamp='1286130970' post='2473230'] I liked "Goodfellas" better [/quote] Me too

This is a great project, and helped my nation growing a lot.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285697000' post='2466999'] If FOK or any other alliance is incapable of stopping its members from attacking protected alliances, then protectors can be no more capable. Most alliances are able to fulfill the minimals of their governance, so it's not usually a matter of pro-active protection. If you would like me to start proactively protecting alliances, I guess there are plenty of alliances that would like to start attacking raiders to preemptively stop raids. [/quote] This makes no sense. FOK raiding is strictly monitored, and I can't recall the incident. You provide no data, no screen shots, the alliance you claim who was being raided does not exist. Why didn't you bring it up while they were being raided? You decided to left them out in the cold and opened a topic more than a month later? Your story doesn't make any sense.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1285695938' post='2466982'] I don't see your point. He can't protect alliances, because he has had past failures? [/quote] This thread he actually that his own alliance "COJ" was unable to protect the alliance he swore to protect, see Descendent's post. Schattenman is widely known for blowing up his own alliance Browncoats, he allowed them to be destroyed in a back-room deal to stay out of the GATO One vision war. So this thread is kinda ironic.

[quote name='Descendent' timestamp='1285695863' post='2466981'] If your alliance CoJ isn't able to protect nations you've told you would; doens't make that this thread a great example of self reflection for your alliance? Why are you 'protection' nations and alliances when you're not even able to do so? It's a war game; and in war always someone is on the losing side. When I was a little nation I too got raided several times; but I stood up; continued; sometimes just taking a bow (accepting or negotiating peace after beeing raided) and went on. Small raided nations should do so too when they really wanna play this game. (or just join a big alliance) [/quote] My best guess is he "protects" nations so he can moan about them being raiding on these forums. True protectors actually protect their nations by the use of diplomatics or military force.

Isn't Schattenman the guy who is responsible for the destruction of Browncoats ? http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/BDC-BC_War

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285688101' post='2466866'] No, what Hal is saying--and correct in saying so--is that Timeh's attempted-zinger is a failure to launch. The most obvious reason is that FOK was right there beside Old Guard in the Continuum for most of the time that Vox existed, giving OG all the political capital they needed to pursue an alliance-wide PZI. Anyone that was in Continuum at the time open's a pandora's box when they start trying to use Vox examples. [/quote] VoX was not on perm ZI by the whole continuum but only by NPO and OG. The perm ZI policy was actually one of the reasons we canceled Q and the treaty with NPO. And yes you are a big hypocrite if you compare some minor raiding to Nazism while you are in an alliance who allows perm-ZI and has perm ZI'd nations before. The latter is way more "unfair" than the first. Nations who get raided can simply join a protected alliance. Perm-ZI'd targets can't really do anything anymore.

LOL @ Old Guard Member comparing GOONS to Nazi's. I remember Old Guard under Reyne leadership. They decided to put all of Vox Populi on their Perm ZI list. And you guys dare to compare GOONS raiding to Nazi's? You guys are out of your mind.

[quote name='RePePe' timestamp='1285518257' post='2465203'] [img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/104/kimjongilwarscreen.jpg[/img] I'm not sure how you can say that GOONS is not relying on their allies to take down Jim. If it had been a 1v1 matchup, I suspect Jim would win easily. Not that there's anything wrong with employing, dare I say, [i]strategy[/i] to win. It's just that you can't claim you are winning on your own\, as you are relying heavily on allies. [/quote] If a big rogue with over 160k NS and 16k tech hits your alliance almost every alliances in CN would be in trouble. There aren't many alliances who can handle such a rogue themselves and won't call in allies. Also no-one is refuting that GOONS is getting help it's just the "GOONS are hiding behind their allies" party-line we refute. GOONS is mostly defending the attacks with their own nations.

[quote name='Ejayrazz' timestamp='1285517099' post='2465196'] Lol @ Conspiracy theories. If I was going to attack them, it would have happened already. Also, I can't for several reasons. We have people who like them anyways. Lol. Exactly. They need to pounce on King because GOD FORBID IT BE A ONE ON ONE MATCH. That means...it'd be...a fair war. Holy !@#$! What does that even mean? Yeah, thought so. As I said, they run to their allies. [/quote] Yeah a rogue hitting a much smaller nation than himself it totally a fair fight. If he had some balls he would have gone rogue on the biggest nations in CN. Speaking of some of the biggest nations in CN. Oinoink12 is the first to reach a total of 10.000.000 casualties thanks to the fight with the rogue. o/ Oinkoink12

[quote name='Bavaricar' timestamp='1285511438' post='2465157'] You've overlooked that most of the war aid going to all of their nations at war is coming from their allies. The GOONs have had to turn to Umbrella and the Mushroom Kingdom for their waves of war aid infusions to keep their lower level and nuked nations afloat. So, no it's not ridiculous at all. On their own, the goons would be in far worse shape than they are now over these few handfuls of micro-wars with KN and UOKMB. Let's not also forget the point of this thread and how the goons have had to request aid from their allied senators or convince those not-so-close senators to sanction Methrage, Jim and even UOKMB members, who also are clearly an alliance and posted accordingly, but likewise were hit with sanctions. The truth is the most damage done to KN and UOKMB thus far, has been from goon allies, not the goons themselves. [/quote] 1. Your statement regarding the war aid is false. Most of the waraid is coming from GOONS themselves. MK has been handing out a few packages but most of the aid is coming from other GOON nations. The aid from Umbrella is mostly techdeals with some bonus money. 2. Requesting sanctions from senators on rogue's is standard procedure since the beginning of CN. Everyone does it and it is widely accepted. 3. Everyone is weaker "on their own", The fact is that the claim that "GOONS is hiding behind their allies" is false because their are fighting most of their wars against the 2 organized rogue-groups themselves.

[quote name='Ejayrazz' timestamp='1285508492' post='2465135'] Oh noes! A coward asking someone to do something about it so he could hide behind his allies is really "I" getting to us! Here, for your time: [img]http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/12/21/129059070872962798.jpg[/img] [/quote] This "Cowards you are hiding behind you are allies !" line is really ridicilous. 1. GOONS were attacked by Methrage and KimJong and are defending themselves. 2. GOONS are fighting them with all the nations they have in their range. 3. Some of their allies are helping out with the bigger rogue because GOONS only have one nation in it's range.

Two awesome alliances o/ R&R o/ INT

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1285437347' post='2464374'] I specifically quoted a GOONS member in this thread saying NPO was aiding a rogue by not sanctioning him. So are they changing their minds? Here is the quote again: [/quote] there a different forms of aiding, some are worse than others.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1285437094' post='2464367'] So in other words you won't do anything if you think there will be a possibility you won't be able to pull it off. I was really looking forward to the topics made about forcing Red Dawn to pay 90 mil. You disappoint me GOONS. [/quote] Not sanctioning an enemy is aiding an enemy? The two things are obviously different. Is it so hard to understand?

Cliff-notes: 1. JimKongIl aids Methrage, an enemy of GOONS. 2. JimKongII has no treaties whatsoever with the rogue Methrage. 3. JimKongII claims he gets spied on, and is asked in a pm if he has aided Methrage. 4. JimKongII, declares war on the #1 GOON nation. 5. JimKongII talks like a rogue who was planning to hit multiple alliances [quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285261254' post='2462261'] Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anything was just or unjust. I knew what I was doing and I know what I am doing now. I am not complaining about a thing. My only regret is that I did not get a few more DoWs off before getting nuked. [/quote] 6. During the wars JimKongII flies the AA "Monster" with sounds like a typical rogue AA to me http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=Monster&anyallexact=exact 7. 10 Different alliances on 10 different colors have sanctioned JimKongII and have acknowledged that he is a rogue. 8. NPO ( a red sphere alliance) acknowledges that JimKongII is a rogue ( http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=92577&view=findpost&p=2464014 ) but refuse to sanction him because they "don't own red". 9. JimKongII is residing and trading on the Red sphere.

[quote name='eyriq' timestamp='1285423047' post='2464264'] Not going to argue your definition of a rogue, only that it appears that NPO does not define Methrage as a rogue and so by Jim joining his cause they wouldn't identify him as a rogue either. [/quote] Jim doesn't hold any treaties with Methrage. And he only joined Methrage his aa 2 days after he DOW'ed GOONS. He even carried the aa "Monster" sounds like a typical rogue AA to me. Methrage actions are questionably to say the least, I think would also consider him a rogue but it's not that clear as with the Jim. Methrage was released for agressive actions against GOONS a couple of months ago. But recently he decided to "take revenge" and he took up arms decided to attack GOONS again with no DOW whatsoever.