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[quote name='arentak' date='19 February 2010 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1266587377' post='2191954'] NSO joined with Polar against the \m/ side. \m/'s allies didn't want to give NSO peace. IRON wasn't going to let NSO burn alone. TOP wasn't going to let IRON burn. Its all one war. [/quote] This is strangest spin ever. So TOP was basically chosing NSO above Umbrella? Umbrella was your direct MDoAP partner, and your only MDoAP parter under heavy attack by the time you entered. For reference they were under attack by like 13 million NS (NATO, The Foreign Division, NADC and Nueva Vidia) while IRON wasn't even involved yet. You guys simply decided that is was the best time to strike C&G and you had the odds in your favor big-time until the NpO \m/ peace happened. I know TOP thought they would win this for sure, if it wasn't for the peace between \m/ and NpO it would have happened, luckily for us it didn't. Also your time-frame is off, TOP came in well before the peace between NSO was even discussed. FOK peaced out NSO the day after we peaced out with NpO. I think it would be good if FARK and GO did the same because the NSO war was part of the initial NpO \m/ war which was peaced out and NSO wasn't part of the TOP vs C&G war yet. I believe negotiations were still ongoing, and FARK was afraid that NSO would join in with IRON again, which was probably the reason they were reluctant to give NSO a white peace, and wanted them to surrender. I am not 100% sure what happened between FARK, GOD and NSO but I think NSO should have been granted peace there if they weren't going in with IRON again. If they were there was actually a reason not to give them peace, because they could have redeployed.

I think about 70 nukes sent with a hit, and about 25 taken overall. In this war I think I have taken 5 New Polar order nukes, dished out like 5 against them. After that came MCXA I took like 7 and fired like 11. Now engaging Menotah and Invicta took 2 dished out 4.

[quote name='Maccers The Great' date='18 February 2010 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1266523770' post='2190090'] Wolfpack didn't really secure anything. Stickmen had no intention of demanding reps from Invicta from day one, and have offered them terms with only the condition that they do not reenter, even before you entered the war. So really what you did is got Stickmen to agree to a term that had no effect on anything so they could focus on hitting your allies more. Congrats! [/quote] They might have been told otherwise by their allies on before hand. And I understand they want out when their alliance already lost a ton of nation strength and was no fair match for their adversaries. It has no use staying in for allies who have an fair peace-offer on the table but just don't want to accept it out of stubbornness and only seem interested in war. Well fought Wolfpack. o/ Stickmen

Well fought NAC, FOK was at war with you guys too, so next time please notify us too when you accept the peace-deal.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' date='18 February 2010 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1266483663' post='2189425'] Just because you can copy and paste a list of everyone on the one side, doesn't mean you can make a joint plea for them moron. As for MCXA we still want to share our toy soldiers, tanks, airplanes, and oh yeah nukes, with our friends at MHA and FOK. We're getting our Nuking nations in the lower tiers so it should be like slicing through cheese. [/quote] This is But on a more serious note, get a grip on reality my friend, I see you are only a 500 NS nation but I can tell you this: MCXA nations won't be slicing through our FOK nuclear lower tiers at all.. Almost all of the MCXA nations are in billock or properly staggered. I hope I see it in the next week or so, but I seriously doubt it.

Well done, I wish the Zoo good luck in rebuilding. o/ PC o/ TDT o/ NoR

FOK is sorry we can't uphold our obligation to defend NPO against rogues for the time being, due the global war. When the war is over we will be ready again to deal with the rogues who are attacking NPO.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='16 February 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1266343753' post='2185792'] Because you had a term requiring that you be granted a permanent senate seat in your first offer. [/quote] This is false, is this the crap you have been feeding to all these alliances who are coming in against iFOK? You guys, (and the entire purple front) can get an easy exit with no reps or military disarming whatsoever if you just don't re-enter the current conflict. Seems reasonable to me. You declined so we will continue to fight, but don't lie that we want reps or imply that there are senate terms because that is not the case. @ Avalon, good luck, and welcome to the battlefield we will see you soon.

[quote name='silentkiller' date='16 February 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1266351296' post='2186030'] Wow do you read the posts I am replying to? I was replying to the fact that Sunstar said that the reason TOP shouldnt be given White peace is because they did so much damage. If that was the case then White peace could have been achieved on the first day. Also nice revision about NPO seeking peace, we were infact not looking for white peace(maybe you need to read the logs again). Maybe next time you wanna make a point you would seek the facts about said points first, it saves everyone a lot of time. [/quote] Sorry I was not totally aware of the exact details of the peace, I have adjusted the post. I was however aware that NPO wanted peace immediately after they declared though.As for the arguments for white peace or not, there are several factor that come in to play, not only amount of damage dished out, but also who was the aggressor on what CB and what is the likelihood both alliances will fight each other again in the future. In the end I think however this war might end in some form of white peace though.

[quote name='silentkiller' date='16 February 2010 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1266349747' post='2185993'] Except that you know white peace could have been given before any nukes were launched and any serious damage was done. [/quote] So TOP was going to give immediate peace to C&G immediately after they attacked them? This makes no sense. Was it just because they saw the odds were no longer in their favor? You don't go into an aggressive war with a dubious CB and immediately peace out when the odds don't turn to be in your favor. This reminds me of the NPO DOW on Ordo Verde, they were also immediatly seeking peace after they declared and saw all the negative responses. When we (FOK) went in to help PC we had no real idea who would help us, and we knew we would be a dog, however we were prepared for a long fight when all the alliances DOW'ed us. We knew we could count on Stickmen and LEO and that it might draw SF in but for the rest we were unsure. Especially about the reaction from C&G, we didn't expected C&G backup since we attacked MK's treatypartner, and we knew we forced MK in a hard spot. The day we declared I posted this on the MK boards: To our allies in the Kingdom : We realize this war puts you in a tough position. We realize most of you weren't happy about this war to begin with and would hate to see it escalate and involve yourselves. Seeing as how FOK is doing what they think is right, you should do what you feel is right. If that means staying out of the war because entering would be practically impossible for you, then that is what you should do. FOK will not hold any grudges against any ally doing so, since we understand the hard position you are in. And when I say FOK will hold no grudges, we will hold no grudges.[/quote] tl;dr, You can't declare an aggressive war and immediately white peace out when the odds have changed and you are not longer the favorite to win, it doesn't work that way.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='16 February 2010 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1266339102' post='2185722'] That is a very hilarious interpretation of the TOP-Umbrella relationship. You know, not long before the Unjust War, NpO and GOONS were MADP partners. [/quote] Enlighten me about their relationship, since you seem to know everything.

FOK is in war with USN Menotah and NAC too.

o/ Umbrella, you guys are an amazing group.

[quote name='kriekfreak' date='16 February 2010 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1266317083' post='2185363'] This is not directed to you guys specifically but to both sides and all the alliances within. Why do I have a feeling the posting of Individual surrender terms is becoming a new hype? Please stop it. Everyone follows about the same individual terms and those surrender terms are probably already sent to the guys you are fighting. It is already hard enough to spot the DoW's, don't make it even harder. [/quote] I agree with Kriekfreak. Anyway NEW is cool in my book, it saddens me however that you guys are on the other-side

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[quote name='arentak' date='16 February 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1266321755' post='2185432'] This has everything to do with NSO. Any way you spin global war, IRON was on one side, Supercomplaints was on the other. Knowing that an IRON ally, NSO, was being hit, TOP's involvement was inevitable. That we chose to deploy in a manner that we "thought" would give our side the best chance for winning is irrelevant. [/quote] This is strangest spin ever. So TOP was basically chosing NSO above Umbrella, a direct MDoAP partner who was willing to die for you. Umbrella was already under attack by like 13 million NS (NATO, The Foreign Division, NADC and Nueva Vidia) while IRON wasn't even involved yet. You guys simply decided that is was the best time to strike C&G and you had the odds in your favor big-time until the NpO \m/ peace happened. I know TOP thought they would win this for sure, I remember MrCyber from TOP querying me that FOK was on the losing side of the conflict and that TOP would shoot down some alliances big-time. if it wasn't for the peace between \m/ and NpO it would have happened, luckily for us it didn't.

o/ Archon o/ MK

Yeah, more

[quote name='sethb' date='15 February 2010 - 06:09 PM' timestamp='1266253746' post='2183106'] WOW, This changed my life forever. In all seriousness, Was this really needed? This could have been handled privately. [/quote] He is in TPF what else do you expect?

Threads like these are one of the reasons why I hate TPF.

[quote name='chefjoe' date='10 February 2010 - 11:32 PM' timestamp='1265841171' post='2173289'] What 'they' did wasnt anywhere close to what you and your allies did in order to attack them. Maybe you should go back and re-read the OP of this thread to compare all the squiggle lines and chains to the one you mention as being the 'same thing', I know it was many many pages ago and your memory could be getting fuzzy. [/quote] It is exactly the same, Invicta had no mdoap pact with NSO in any way or form and used several chains and Ghost DOW's in order to try to "curbstomp" RnR.

[quote name='Methrage' date='13 February 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1266076402' post='2179280'] FOK and Vanguard have never have cared about team color loyalty, although many orange alliances feel strong about it. ODN used to and are a sovereign alliance who can make their own decisions. [/quote] Seriously you have no clue what you are talking about. I would say FOK cared more about color friendship than the other big orange alliances with the exception of ODN ofcourse.

[quote name='Methrage' date='13 February 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1266061634' post='2179108'] Almost the entire orange team is getting crippled and completely destroyed, ODN members seemed to be in full war mode on the forum talking about sides to oppose NpO in their war against \m/, yet now you're helping the orange team get destroyed over semantics. You're the Orange Defense Network yet you take no responsibility for the entire orange team getting destroyed including yourselves who happen to be on the opposite side as the rest of the orange team in the war. I remember you guys announcing some type of one way defense pact with the entire orange team back in the day, now you guys seem content helping most of the orange team get destroyed over grudges. I know you were declared on, but doesn't change that you already appeared to of chosen a side before that and they didn't plan to drag this out. The orange team seems to be getting hit the hardest in this war. [/quote] FOK is doing great and we are orange too

[quote name='ikMark' date='12 February 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1266010360' post='2178134'] Heh, lol. Wolfpack declared on us, together with 3 other alliances.. and yet we're able to do more damage to them. Also, there are quite some nations out there who are going to reach bill-lock soon. Good luck with that. o/ My FOK Brothers [/quote] Looking forward to a long war with those Wolfpack nations. o/ My iFOK brothers

I can't wait to fight those USN and WOlfpack nations, this is going to be good and bloody fight