Baltus

Yeah we're just puppets of Umbrella here. I believe we'll be getting our new Viceroy sometime soon actually.

There's a reason everyone agrees that Sard sucks.

Thanks for the input Rey.

I think it spells out GOONS in black but that's really hard (if not impossible) to read.

The coke bottle thing was an analogy so it isn't perfect. I don't think the problem has anything to do with leverage. Pacifica can only get peace from the alliances they are fighting. I am not fighting NPO and therefore I cannot grant them peace. They have to deal with what Polaris, Sparta, and Co. if they want to get anywhere. That's what I was getting at. And you're right in that you should set up some sort of expectation now for what terms are acceptable. But you haven't actually done so. Let's be real here you guys are losing. The alliances you are fighting are not wanting white peace. They want something to do with Peace Mode. It's crazy you say but what other options do you have right now other than telling everyone how horrible they are. You can continue to say that Polaris is the scum of the earth but you'll need peace from them eventually and there's only one way to get there. And so far NPO has effectively rejected the terms that their enemies have offered and have offered nothing substantial in return. Clearly some members of that front have some sort of goal with these terms and by accepting white peace this war would've been worthless to them.

I'm not here to insult you Hereno. Ken said it was an opening offer. Just like in any other negotiation people can choose to accept the initial offer and then it's all over. Sometimes that happens but usually everyone has their own agenda. And then they negotiate. Let's say I want to sell you a bottle of coke for ten dollars. I'm the only vendor for hundreds of miles and I know you need my bottle of coke but I also don't have infinite customers. You can offer to pay me all ten and we'll be done. Now if you only offer me a dollar when I know you have ten, I'll refuse. We can keep going back and forth but ideally we find middle ground like three or four. You can refuse to budge and go tell all of your friends how horrible I am but I know you need me just as much as I need you. Obviously I'm not talking about you or me since neither of our alliances are involved on this front. Basically, as I stated before, the ball is in Pacifica's court and they need to try to negotiate with their enemies. It's fine if they want white peace but they won't be getting it and the sooner they realize that the faster things can move along.

The offer is very serious. Pacifica could accept and that front would be done. However, clearly they don't want to accept so the idea is that they try to negotiate with their counterparts to try to bring the numbers in the favor. Once both sides find middle ground then that's that. They are holding up the peace process in the sense that the ball is now in their court to negotiate with their enemies rather than say "we want white peace thanks" when clearly nobody that they're fighting is interested in giving them that. Sure that can be their starting position but in the end both parties will probably need to shift towards the middle. So far we've only been talking about the NPO front. Nearly every other front including the one this thread is about have been offered extremely fair terms.

Organizing the complicated into 3 district spheres doesn't really do it justice. It's a lot more complex but you are correct in that these are the alliances defending NPO.

GOD did their part in the war and bowed out. Everyone thanked them for their support and we continued with the war. A little while ago GOONS informed the coalition of their intent to defend TOP from R&R. GOD finds out about this and tell the coalition that this was and I quote "ridiculous and unacceptable". This was never brought up as an issue beforehand and suddenly out of nowhere GOD is threatening to go much further than defend R&R forth just because GOONS activated a MD treaty? Several alliances have MD allies on the other side but so far not a single one has done anything similar to what GOD did. I don't think Dajabo would've minded if Farrin had continued the discussion. Either way I sincerely doubt Dajabo intended to be hateful or try to keep talking to a minimum when he's one of the nicest people in our coalition.

Don't underestimate the power of subtitles! You have no idea what they can do.

The flow ball continues to frown as always but sadly the snorlax has not been seen in far too long.

Too true. Not too happy about this but it is what it is. Have fun everyone.

Congrats guys!

No shame in defending your allies but I can't really wish you luck on this one. It's good to see you active though Xiph.

Nothing's more fun than 3-alliance pseudo blocs. Congrats.

No! It's too dangerous now. We must wait until the time is right. For now, let us simply sink back into the shadows.

Congrats gents. Very well deserved. EDIT: nice pip

Congrats Levistus!

This is probably for the best.

Good luck to our allies.

Good luck guys.

Glad to be finally fighting on the same side as IRON. Welcome. o/

Man, we're not even important enough to get a visit from Steve. :(

I'll take what I can get. Thanks Rush.

At least Daikos is finally on his way out. I was getting real sick of that guy.