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o/ TOP

o/ TPF

O/ TOOL

best wishes to TOOL and all parties

our prayers are with you brother

and this is where we stand now as well. but it is hard when your friendship is a friendship only because it has been for so long. at one point someone has to say goodbye. i wish pacifica well, and adminspeed on the path they take.

it is a good question Prince Yvl, myself i am one of the new generation post UJW guys. i have heard the stories, not so much defended but stood by our side. think FAN, GOONS. again it is stories i have heard but the assebly was truely devided over it. we were hurt by their actions and what they did to our allies. hurt, in the sense of anger that it happened again.

no. do not pretend to know the inner sanctums of my allaince or Q true, well played. but wait, aren't we also being critisize for going to NPO's aid each time? so again we SHOULD go each time and not have an opinion of our own, correct? i) maybe unity was not the messege being delivered, and maybe karma was not the intended recipent ii) just because you were already lined up against us, again thanks "ally," doesnt mean we new the extent of the war at the time. and once more and more allainces ganged up we engaged. honestly we did not know if we would, cowards or not, what ever you need to sleep at night. it had little to do with here, mostly the arguments within IRON which led us in the fight, yes many .gov left and many remember the times NPO has protected us and been at our side. No

this made me smile but seriously this over veni? he is not worth it. although once a trusted peer, quiting because you didnt get promoted. my goverment didnt want to bring it into public sphere, yet you clearly have no problem with it. quiting over not getting promoted, throwing a tantrum and then leaving to our once ally and cheering for our destruction? even after all you have done for the republic, and for all she has done for you. you claim its for opnions on a certain alliance, no. a lot of us have spoke out against the relationship, and we have been fine, i have even been promoted. and trust me i have a large mouth within the confines of IRON. you were one of our knights, it is saddening to see you so biter and exiled. but once you activily cheer for our destruction, you have in fact fallen from grace. i wish you well on what ever path you take, however far away it may lead you.

best of luck friends

it has been a great time fighting, it is odd that with the ones actually figthing each other we have some of the best things to say about each other. well done to all and i look forward to the new relations developing. 0/ IRON 0/ Gramlins 0/ MHA 0/ FARK 0/ ROK

happy birthday Polaris!

well done Avalon o/

i agree with you sir that any comparison on a "guilt scale" is ridiculous. yet i don t understand how you can contradict yourself in the same post with "such uninformed statements." sincerely that is very admirable of you. we too have come to a realization with NV, we waived the reps out right. As for comparisons sake, we too have to come to terms with our past, with that said TOOL is now a dear friend and ally to us. Again, for that we thank you TOOL. This is the statement that confused me, and admittedly it’s not that hard to do with CN history. "The difference is that during that war, our eyes were opened as to how some of our allies operated" did we not do the same in this war and were called cowards and pleaded to engage karma anyway, by karma alliances? i have not had the luxury of sitting in backrooms or what not, admittedly the only information is what my government had given me, yet we too have realized the err of how we were treated, all but one treaty with the NPO has been dissolved. Your changes did not occur overnight, nor will they with us. As for the decision being made with the idea of being on the losing side of the war, we did not know that the alliances were already pre chosen against us and honestly believed we had a chance to win, again at that time of the war. No, our changes were made due to a differing of opinion as to what a true ally is as well as disagreeing with the philosophies and general demeanors of those alliances. As for not seeing IRON do any of this, how often do you see any alliance publicly announce its internal feelings, much less IRON. With that said how often did you see Q publicly disagree in general, this is not the place for allies to discuss internal disagreements. two power blocs, The Möbius Accords are dissolved, this would have happened regardless of the outcome of the war, as I have stated we too have seen the ways we were treated by allies. I don’t see 1v lasting much longer as well. AS far as our “complete complacency with allying with the NPO through all of this and their inability to make any sort of change until it was far too late,” if it is common acceptance that the whole of karma will not change the NPO’s mindset, why do you think we could alone? Again, however, from the leaked logs and the Q forum screenshots, it was not uncommon to protest actions. We have all seen the leaked logs where NPO believed IRON would let Pacifica go alone in this war. Our positions was already stated and our roles being evaluated before this war. But again, we would not publicly dissent from an ally, that is deferred for a more private venue. We too have attempted to atone for our own actions, we did not find the need to announce it publicly yet we let our actions show. The biggest argument against us is well over a year and half old. We waved the reps for NV, no it was not publicly announced, we also paid for tech reps, normally at market rate of 3m/100 tech. then again the default is ask Vox and FAN. During the time spying was a valid CB for war, Q was not the only group or individual to declare war for this. That is accepted, and I am not saying one is no more or less for this, as it was common practice for the time. As for FAN, did they not break the first peace treaty (that was not trying to be snide but a sincere question) and actively seek our destruction, did at any point in recent times did they ask for terms from us or request peace? It was just gold old fashion mutual hatred for a near perpetual war, yet peace was achieved, and on our terms (IRON and FAN) without it being mandated, as the new GOONS were not immediately declared to war with from IRON. Our policies shifted with the times, it was not announced publicly, we let our actions speak for themselves.

congrats

yes we are at war with Gre an MHA. boly th sides have conducted themselves incredible honor, and not just the shart you through around but in the true sense of the warior ethos. as we have proven we will go to hell and back for our allies, they have proven the same for us, but with the hamlins, dare i say, we may even become closer after this engagment. yes Q is dead. but the friendship and respect from both sides of the field of battle remain. with such forces of the new order such as TOP, Gre, MHA how can one not see the new horizson and the friendships and respect developed. to our friends in the former Q, much respect and know we will goto hell and back for you, as we do now together. o/ TPF o/ MCXA o/ Vahalla o/OG 0/ and all others we have stood side by side with

congrats

welcome to thw world

best of luck to the orders and the path(s) you follow

welcome to existance, best of luck and welcome to the Orange our new bretheren!

well said and best of luck to Vox and FAN

ah Airme you canis aureus, i am not saying i am a great pietist, but you are mistaken. i dont assume anything of Archon, i hear is very respectiable and wise, with my short stay at our embassy in the kingdom i would concur, however, the point made was nor do i think NPO is the big bad wolf or completely at fault either. everyone wanted this war, no one is innocent. as for IRON we have not just recently allied with NPO, you know that or at least i thought better of you tygaland. we have stood by them as they have stood by us, our communication with them is wel known now, as it was aired out in the cyberverse, as well as it is known our goverment opinion of the matter. we have also stood by as we watched other alliances impose their will on others in war, but do to the size it wasnt much debated. in conclusion Airme, i apologize you thought i insulted your leader, and as for the republic... that can be debated when our own thread arrives, until then it has been a well fought war on all sides, and when peace settles, which ever color, across Bob, may broken friendships be mended, and fraternal allies restored. best of luck on regrowth to all

seriously, this comming from Karma? you say we supported a war of agression by, how just being there? we honored our treaty and stood by an ally. if you havented caught on yet, we didnt have much say in this, yet we are here. how are you any different? Karma wanted this war from day one, and you are just as much Archon's lacky, as we may be of NPO. Regardless well fought MCXA, and to all combantents. o/ MCXA

Good luck NATO

well done and of course ...лучший из удачи