Varianz

This is seriously just retarded. It might have been a tiny bit funny 3 days ago, but now? My god.

If there's no expansion I vote Letdown War.

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1322598521' post='2856035'] Doesn't it, though? We've cornered ourselves in with such a cumbersome and stagnant definition of a "casus belli" that there is no room for movement in politics anymore. For people !@#$%*ing about using a 2 year old CB, maybe they should instead take a closer look at the 6 year old informal model by which we govern ourselves by. [/quote] Completely this. We all complain about stagnation, well, there's stagnation because we cling to useless, outdated traditions and ideas.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1322592423' post='2855956'] TOP only has 49 declared wars total for this entire conflict, and a third of those are actually Polar declaring on TOP. [/quote] Before you edited it it said that RIA would be there "when Polar needed them". Is that the line you guys are going with to avoid fighting? That Polar is winning so you don't actually need to help them?

Ivan resigning wasn't a term of peace.

[quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1322516985' post='2855086'] Sad...perhaps you should make me. Oh snap! You got nothing but nubs! [/quote] This is bad and you should really stop.

[quote name='ShiningForce' timestamp='1322463641' post='2854598'] Finally, a genuine response. It was the second one, if it really pleases you to hear it. But, are you certain they weren't fooled? If it really was as blatantly obvious, as you proclaim, then wouldn't the smart option be to pre-emptively strike us? Why just let it happen? I have two reasons, myself: 1.) They're arrogant and intentionally wanted to be hit. Probably because IRON's bored, I could imagine. 2.) They were uncertain as to our intentions. I'll go with option 1 but I'll add how strategically stupid it is. Sure, the odds are with them but they're going to just let us stock up and attack them? Even if they're convinced they'll win, they're taking unnecessary casualties. That sounds a lot stupider than attempting to cover up a "jump the gun" scenario with reps, in my opinion. [/quote] No lol, because Avalanche declaring on IRON has the same effect in the end, i.e. you're both at war and it costs them nothing tactically since all their nations are already built up, and strategically they can call their MDP partners in against you now. I'm quite certain they weren't fooled. You might as well have dithered until update, it would've achieved the same effect you claim to have been aiming for.

[quote name='ShiningForce' timestamp='1322462718' post='2854571'] You know, if someone gave you a dollar every time you deflected a statement, I'd imagine you'd be a pretty wealthy man. [/quote] Ok let me explain why you're an idiot. You have a MDoAP with Polar. Polar just got attacked. Quite reasonably, the entire world expects Polar's treaty partners to defend them (whether or not they all will is for another thread). Update yesterday passes, no move from you guys. Then, two of your nations declare war many hours ahead of update, with reasons such as "As per instructions of my boss" and [b]"Hello - aiding NpO"[/b]. The second one is particularly telling. Now, any person with a brain can put two and two together: you have a treaty with NpO, and two separate members of your alliance declared war with quite revealing DoW's. Then, you went through some farce of contacting IRON and sending two of their nations money labeled as reps. So we have two options here. One, you panicked after jumping the gun, and the reps were genuine. Two, you were idiotic enough to think that sending a couple batches of money would prevent IRON from seeing something blatantly obvious- you were going to declare and your members jumped the gun. By the way, if it's the second, don't pat yourself on the back, IRON were never fooled. Which is it?

[quote name='ShiningForce' timestamp='1322462584' post='2854561'] Seeing as not a single one of them retaliated... [/quote] You aren't serious haha [quote name='Minion Rouse' timestamp='1322462659' post='2854568'] They don't have to, the move already served its purpose. [/quote] Oh my god you are serious.

[quote name='Minion Rouse' timestamp='1322462390' post='2854555'] You don't think that was intentional? No money was ever actually exchanged between our alliances. The offers were used as a cover up for the two nations that jumped the gun. It was strategy, not stupidity. [/quote] You know not a single person with enough of a brain to type is going to believe this right?

[quote name='ShiningForce' timestamp='1322461101' post='2854497'] Hey mann, he likes being a banker. Real good with money and all that. [/quote] Please be joking about still having banks. [quote name='Ratkiller884' timestamp='1322461253' post='2854503'] only had the chance of getting it to one war major War krama Other wise stay in avalanche and gr my whole nation's life [/quote] Please be joking about not having fought since Karma.

[quote name='Ratkiller884' timestamp='1322460742' post='2854484'] Cant wait to try out my shinny new war wonders but stuck in pm...... [/quote] Judging from your 3 1/2 year old nation and 100k casualties, peace mode is not something new to you.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1322460610' post='2854474'] when you going to help your friends in STA Varianz? [/quote] Rofl my friends in STA. Oh boy. Edit: that is to say, we don't have friends in STA.

Sign treaty Ignore treaty Profit?

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1322459286' post='2854378'] Can we get a tl;dr? [/quote] Had a few guys jump the gun 6 hours ago. Paid reps. Now are posting DoW.

[quote name='Hime Themis' timestamp='1322361917' post='2853169'] Good Varianz Closer to a PIAT with benefits. The LoA is a first step treaty that is designed to potentially upgrade. Respectfully Dame Hime Themis [/quote] Haha I like that- "PIAT with benefits". Can't say I'm a big fan of Sparta, but OBR have always been pretty cool, so congrats on this.

Reads like a PIAT/ODP. Is that a decent interpretation?

I don't get why this was necessary.

So close to being in range so close

Holy overreaction batman.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1322290326' post='2851975'] [center][img]http://i44.tinypic.com/2uy4s4g.png[/img][/center] [center][b] OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE [/b][/center] [s]The Order of Righteous Nations and the Boards Alliance of Protectorate States[/s]We, an [i]unknown[/i] alliance, stand behind our P[size="1"]l[/size]olar comrades in their conflict against Independent Republic of Orange Nations and The Order of the Paradox. This declaration can and will be upgraded to a declaration of war should this conflict escalate beyond the ongoing hostilities. That is all. Signed, ************ tl;dr We want to be like FAIL who wants to be like OMFG/Gremlins/BN/Argent who wants to be like TORN/BAPS who want to be like NPO/Valhalla/Olympus who want to be like IRON/TOP. [/quote] I'm quoting this in its fully glory so future generations never lose a perfect example of "hmm maybe that wasn't as clever as I thought".

Good luck TOP.

Burn them to the ground IRON.

Ever forward Pacifica.

This is good to see. Congrats to our allies in TPF.