Kowalski

Yeah, but it's about as close as it could get. The two sides have the same points and same goal difference but you scored one goal more.

Publicly declaring that NPO can't enforce their control of the red team because they aren't admin before trying to build a relationship with them may not be the best way to do things, but I hope the intentions are good.

Good luck, it's been a pleasure having some of you in MHA.

Doesn't mean that this wasn't on the cards before then

No surprise here, I guess this has been on the cards since, ooh, August last year. Congrats to all anyways!

We welcome AHEAD with open arms. MHAil!

Stumpy Jung Il. Genuinely funny rather then just seeking attention like the rest.

RyanGDI.

I'm guessing this relationship started long before TSO did but signing with TFD is always a good move in my opinion. Congrats to both!

Of the alliances that are currently at war with IRON, can you please explain which of them fall under the "ex-Hegemony" banner in your opinion? Because I can see two and if that's your opinion as well then you're appallingly wrong.

Mass raiding an alliance not involved in current conflict that just happens to be a protectorate of another alliance you're at war with seems poor form, especially after that kerfuffle about the Bus Doctrine. But I guess in this day and age you can do whatever the hell you like as long as you give lenient terms at the end of it. Makes everything OK.

Read the thread, I've already had this conversation with Tygaland. Long story short, show me where I said anything about reps or terms.

o/ TFD One of the most thoroughly downright decent alliances out there.

Here's my original post: Firstly, I did not "change" my complaint to be about trolling, my remark about the behaviour of certain Karma members from the above post includes everything, including this. Secondly, the above post does not claim that Karma punishments are the same as Hegemony punishments, merely that the Karma alliances currently dishing out punishment (by which I mean the wars in general, not just the specific terms) are behaving in a similar manner to the Hegemony alliances. You seemed to read "behaving the same as" as "giving the same terms". I've fought in enough wars on the side of the "bad guys" to know what people on the losing side whinge and moan about and I've seen enough threads and posts during this war that show the same happening but by the "other side". Am I against Karma? Of course not. Do I think those who craved for and carried through this war have just cause to? Sure, why not. But I've seen stuff go on during this war that NPO/tC would have been widely derided for but that has been deemed acceptable on this occasion as it's for the greater good and the only alliances who would have a real issue with it aren't in a position to question it anyway. PC's cancellation/DoW on TPF may technically have been legal (I'm sure there's a better word but you get my point) and was accepted and generally found amusing by most of CN as it was against TPF, but if a Hegemony/tC alliance had used that exact same situation to start a war there would have been absolute uproar. Now I'm not saying that they don't deserve it, just that expected better from a collection of alliances who claim to be changing CN for the better. Maybe I expected too much.

Nice try. Unfortunately I don't remember saying anything about EZI, viceroys, expulsions, excessive reps, secret terms, forced disbandment, etc. In fact what I said was: Not only does this explain clearly what I find disappointing about the behaviour of some people that are are claiming to take the moral high ground (you can add putting words into people's mouths in order to win arguments to that list), but in the last sentence I also acknowledge that the behaviour isn't as bad as the past transgressors.

Examples aren't necessary, they're all around us. If you haven't noticed them and need them pointing out then it's unlikely that any examples will change your mind. You've probably already read them and deemed them acceptable. And you'd be well within your rights to point that out about MHA. I know it isn't true but you don't, so it's a fair point. I base my opinions on things I know and what I take from the behaviour of people here. You see the same behaviour but view it differently.

Well the more obvious ones aren't for public discussion. And I know that doesn't reflect well on my argument either, but I'm sure there are members of other Karma alliances that have been disappointed by the behaviour of others. But generally I find the mocking, trolling and calling out by people to be classless and in bad taste, nearly as classless as the "they did it first so it's ok" excuse. Just because it isn't quite as bad doesn't make it ok.

I know

Yep, there are quite a few.

So two wrongs do make a right? What about three wrongs? Does the Karmic theme stop at one round of punishment or is it a continuous cycle; will those who deliver punishment in the name of Karma and who adopt the same behaviour as those that they punish and use Karma as an excuse to do so be open to "what comes around" in the future?

I enjoyed some of our time in tC but it ran it's course, both for those involved and those looking on from the outside. It will be replaced; both by the alliances involved forming new blocs and by other blocs taking it's place at the political/military forefront of CN. Mistakes were made but those will be forgotten; alliances that are now being mocked and derided will be forgiven and some of those who claim the moral high ground now will be seduced by power and attention and step into the void. If they don't then CN will be one hell of a boring place.

We did, but it's nice to give as many people as possible the opportunity to act like those they claim to despise.

Yep, we've all had to take a deep breath and admit that Myth was right all those times.

I could get used to this.

Anyone polluting this thread with gun porn, chumming-up with old enemies or subtly suggesting that MHA would be so much better if they were still a member can go stick their head in a pig. MHAil black peace.