Mathias

[font="Georgia"]MK and VE hate each other and we signed treaties with GOONS, Umbrella, and FOK just to spite them.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]This might be funny if MMM was a real thing. Tip: Reporters do research, they don't just pull things out of their ass. Even if it is just to make a joke.[/font]

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1293167857' post='2552427'] It's a discussion because Mushroom Kingdom is not a member of Pandora's Box and yet are perceived to be the alliance that controls it. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]Who besides yourself has expressed the belief that MK controls PB? Please name names, don't just say "walk into any IRC channel and you'll totally hear it!"[/font]

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1293165218' post='2552370'] Now I'm seriously !@#$@#$ confused. I was first talking about the opinions of VE members on MK, then we got into some !@#$%^&* about VEto. Let's get back on track: MK is not the leading force of PB. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]The results of this highly scientific poll seem to suggest otherwise...[/font]

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1293163681' post='2552318'] Screwedupmonkey, Voytek seems to think you are playing along with the VEto joke. Is she right that you are joking or are you serious that VE actually use its veto to keep MK out of PB? [/quote] [font="Georgia"]Voytek is a girl.[/font]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1293162127' post='2552285'] I voted VE, as they seem to be whats blocking MK from joining PB. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]Methrage, you of all people would believe this.[/font]

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1293161590' post='2552256'] This is a stupid poll. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]It's Fernando's poll.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]So it goes.[/font]

[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1293070745' post='2550863'] This is a pathetic argument and I hardly believe an intelligent person as yourself fully believes such a statement. It's like calling the person that jumped over the 10,000 ft cliff into the water a coward because he didn't jump over the 10,000 ft drop onto solid ground. You used the same argument on TPF when we attacked avalanche. Entering a losing war is playing roulette with a semi auto, you're going lose - going to be outnumbered and outgunned no matter who you start your dance with. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]If they were so concerned about fighting a losing war, they should have called their allies in to help. Please don't paint them as the downtrodden losers when they didn't even try to win.[/font]

[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1293069617' post='2550835'] My only point really is don't label something an MADP if it isn't one. MADP doesn't give you an option of sitting out. See: TDSM8 and BAPS. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]Yes, and if Europa was requesting assistance then their allies would be violating the treaty. However, if they don't want them to come to their defense, then there's nothing wrong with them granting that request.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]I know you guys all got first place in Mock Trial in high school, but if Europa doesn't want their allies to defend them then their allies don't have to (and probably shouldn't) defend them. It's a bummer, but that's how it is. Saying an alliance is obligated to disregard their ally's wishes is just retarded.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]Wow, way to ruin a perfectly good war. I hope Santa brings you nothing but coal.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]I don't mean to joke, but I knew about that downgrade ages ago.[/font]

It's pretty straightforward.

What it meant? It meant their allies didn't have to go to war because of NSO's incompetence. Just like in this war it meant that PC and iFOK didn't get dragged into a war simply because NEW is too stubborn to accept that what they did was wrong.

Well the difference is that NSO did it so that they could play the victim.

[font="Georgia"]What do you mean you don't condone or condemn tech raiding? YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE A SIDE![/font]

To be honest, I'd lose respect for PC and iFOK if they did defend NEW. They've had this coming for a long damn time.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1292829949' post='2546171'] That's the most messed up holistic approach I've ever seen. The courage does not stem from NEW's decision to raid an undefended AA which was a bad move, but to say them not backing down isn't courageous despite all that has happened would be quite dismissive of the term in general. NEW isn't courageous because they made a bad decision, they're courageous because in the face of adversity they didn't back down from their stance. No matter how bad a stance it may seem to be, the stand itself is still courageous. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]Don't mistake stupidity for courage.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]All of former treaties partner of MA (alliances) were signed a formal agreement with Monos Archein as an entity/Alliance, and now that Monos Archein has disbanded themself, therefore we consider their formal treaties are null and void because at the moment there's no such thing as Monos Archein As an entity/alliance now.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]It was only a matter of time before NEW's !@#$%* raid practices caught up with them to be honest. A well deserved fate.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]You'll be better off without Peggy Sue if you can survive the loss of members.[/font]

[font="Georgia"]But now who's going to supply us with hilarious UPN blunders? Peggy Sue, why have you forsaken us?[/font]

[font="Georgia"]I saw this coming. This was one of the worst kept secrets on Bob.[/font]

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1292736823' post='2543917'] Lost more respect for TOP, this treaty was a total disappointment. [/quote] [font="Georgia"]I'm sure they are crushed. They were dying for your approval.[/font]