Rajistani Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) I don't want this to reflect badly on anyone but heres full logs: Session Start: Sun May 03 00:23:39 2009Session Ident: MrCyber[GRE] 01[00:23] <Rajistani> hey are you there? 01[00:23] <Rajistani> i believe we spoke with in-game PMs [00:25] <MrCyber[GRE]> Hi 01[00:25] <Rajistani> I couldn't find your big boards account 01[00:25] <Rajistani> you wanted me to PM you logs i believe. [00:26] <MrCyber[GRE]> could be. I've PMend many nations over the past 6 days [00:26] <MrCyber[GRE]> It's MrCyber 01[00:26] <Rajistani> Ah, you do it all alone? 01[00:26] <Rajistani> i was thinking maybe everyone had like 5 karma pow nations to watch 01[00:26] <Rajistani> alright ill be sending them shortly [00:26] <MrCyber[GRE]> yeah atm I am doing it alone 01[00:29] <Rajistani> that must suck im guessing a master list with links to every nation on it you go through everyday? [00:31] <MrCyber[GRE]> Nah.. it's all in a database. Pretty easy to keep up w/ [00:31] <MrCyber[GRE]> Just starting to run out of actions/day now 01[00:31] <Rajistani> 01[00:31] <Rajistani> well im leaving the AA so i hope that helps [00:32] <MrCyber[GRE]> You can't leave the AA until 30 days or until the conflict has ended 01[00:32] <Rajistani> i just sent logs... 01[00:32] <Rajistani> it wasnt an individual surrender 01[00:32] <Rajistani> it was an alliance surrender [00:33] <MrCyber[GRE]> You surrendered individually by joining the Karma POW [00:34] <MrCyber[GRE]> so those individual terms apply to you 01[00:34] <Rajistani> i joined karma pow because one of the leaders of the allianc ei was surrendering to 01[00:34] <Rajistani> wasnt online 01[00:34] <Rajistani> and we werent sure if he would require it or not 01[00:34] <Rajistani> my logs include a conversation with said leader, londo, stating i can leave 01[00:34] <Rajistani> i assume that means its okay with Gramlins? [00:34] <MrCyber[GRE]> Londo has no authorization to release people from Karma POW status 01[00:35] <Rajistani> I didn't individually surrender. 01[00:35] <Rajistani> IDC (my alliance at the time) surrendered to Athens 01[00:35] <Rajistani> (Londos alliance) [00:35] <MrCyber[GRE]> By joining Karma POW you individually surrendered. 01[00:35] <Rajistani> i dont see why the karma affiliation has anything to do with it. i guess i ghosted it for one day. 01[00:36] <Rajistani> if you want me to be attacked for ghosting karma pow, then you can. [00:36] <MrCyber[GRE]> which means you got picked up by our database 01[00:36] <Rajistani> I didn't post in the thread. [00:36] <MrCyber[GRE]> which means you're considered a Karma POW 01[00:36] <Rajistani> I didn't individally surrender 01[00:36] <Rajistani> according to the terms posted by Karma 01[00:36] <Rajistani> in the alliance politics section [00:37] <MrCyber[GRE]> lots of people don't post there because they don't have an account, so it's impossible to go by that statistic [00:37] <MrCyber[GRE]> and since new account creation was turned off for several days they couldn't create an account either 01[00:38] <Rajistani> I understand that, but that is one of the terms required for an individual surrender; is it not? 01[00:38] <Rajistani> so by that logic, if one did not post there, he did not technically surrender individually. 01[00:38] <Rajistani> (he or she* 01[00:38] <Rajistani> ) [00:38] <MrCyber[GRE]> It is and it isn't. Joining Karma POW is what we've measured by. 01[00:39] <Rajistani> I understand that. 01[00:39] <Rajistani> But I accidently joined Karma PoW. 01[00:39] <Rajistani> I would like to be removed from the database. [00:39] <MrCyber[GRE]> it's the easiest as it'll also take care of people that think they can ghost Karma POW and get away w/ it. [00:39] <MrCyber[GRE]> You were on the AA for > 29 hours, that's not an accident. 01[00:39] <Rajistani> The loophole is that one can ghost karma pow, and never leave and be fine. 01[00:40] <Rajistani> 29 hours - because we were waiting for a response [00:40] <MrCyber[GRE]> Yep but they then still have to adhere to the rest of the terms, such as decomming improvements, nukes, navy, etc [00:40] <MrCyber[GRE]> + they have to stay for 30 days or until the Karma war is completely over, whichever comes first. 01[00:40] <Rajistani> Right, well i feel we are going backwards. 01[00:41] <Rajistani> I didn't surrender individually. 01[00:41] <Rajistani> Can we agree on that? [00:41] <MrCyber[GRE]> Yes you did by joining the Karma POW 01[00:41] <Rajistani> Joining an alliance affiliation does not mean i surrendered individually. 01[00:41] <Rajistani> If you attack me for being a ghost, fine. 01[00:41] <Rajistani> do not attack me for violating terms. 01[00:41] <Rajistani> fair? [00:41] <MrCyber[GRE]> Yes it does mean that. Especially joining a POW alliance [00:42] <MrCyber[GRE]> It's been that way for the almost 2 years I've been on CN 01[00:42] <Rajistani> I am only 14 days old 01[00:42] <Rajistani> Nation Created: 4/17/2009 2:29:33 PM (15 days old) [00:43] <MrCyber[GRE]> Yeah that doesn't matter. The same terms apply for nations that are 1 day old and those that are 1000 days old 01[00:43] <Rajistani> Right - well if I leave and you attack me. what happens next? 01[00:44] <Rajistani> Do i get perma Zied? [00:44] <MrCyber[GRE]> No in this case prolly single ZI for violation of peace terms [00:46] <MrCyber[GRE]> Just make things easy on yourself and return to the Karma POW that way you can build your nation in peace and join your alliance once you get released, which will be after max 30 days. 01[00:47] <Rajistani> Nah 01[00:47] <Rajistani> ef that 01[00:47] <Rajistani> you have 13 minutes to set up a quad on me. ('till update) 01[00:47] <Rajistani> ill save you time 01[00:47] <Rajistani> heres a link 01[00:47] <Rajistani> http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=321017 01[00:48] <Rajistani> im 5k NS right now I am posting this because I want to know what I did wrong here; and I don't know who to ask. Edited May 3, 2009 by Rajistani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 from what i can see, you violated the terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidMercury Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 I don't want this to reflect badly on anyone but heres full logs:I am posting this because I want to know what I did wrong here; and I don't know who to ask. Could of been taken care of via private channels very easily. That being said, why in the heck would you ghost a POW AA. That is just plain dumb tbh. Contact me via IRC and I'll figure out what all is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Oh but as stated in the logs - I wasn't on individual terms. It was an alliance surrender. I joined Karma PoW for a day; but was then told I didn't have to, so I left. [00:19] <Londo|makingvideo> Alright [00:19] <Londo|makingvideo> you're free to go. [00:19] <Londo|makingvideo> just don't reenter the conflict [00:19] <Londo|makingvideo> or aid anyone in the conflict. [00:19] <Londo|makingvideo> or join an alliance that is Hegemony 01[00:19] <Raji|Gone> Awesome. 01[00:19] <Raji|Gone> is GDA hegemony? [00:20] <Londo|makingvideo> yeah but they surrendered [00:20] <Londo|makingvideo> so you can go there. 01[00:20] <Raji|Gone> Awesome. 01[00:20] <Raji|Gone> thanks for everything. [00:20] <Londo|makingvideo> np Edited May 3, 2009 by Rajistani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Erm I'll be back Edited May 3, 2009 by Delta1212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) As an aside, how many people did you have in the IDC alliance during the Karma war? Edited May 3, 2009 by Captain Flinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 As an aside, how many people did you have in the IDC alliance during the Karma war? 19 at the beginning - but I don't think thats on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsoxbronco1 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Well you've managed to confuse me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalen Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 This whole thing sounds like kind of a mixup/cluster****. Tell you what. Once you're clear of repercussions (I expect it won't be long), if you need help rebuilding, feel free to contact me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 I don't really think its fair to others that you can join Karma POW and leave because one Karma leader told you to, probably without fully understanding certain aspects of Karma POW. Like MrCyber said, this is determined by all the leaders so you broke terms either way. You should've thought before you acted and joined the Karma POW AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantanX Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Rajistan, i guess you spoke to the wrong person.. i think Londo is not in Karma Leadership therefore he doesn't have a right to release you from karma PoW.. i suggest you speak to higher ranks in Karma.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epik High Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Is there a public list of people who have "authorization" to make such decisions regarding POW status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Rajistan, i guess you spoke to the wrong person..i think Londo is not in Karma Leadership therefore he doesn't have a right to release you from karma PoW.. i suggest you speak to higher ranks in Karma.. There is no Karma leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 This problem has been addressed. I think we told him to go to Karma POW when that wasn't the right place for him. It's all been sorted, you're clear Rajistani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Just out of curiosity, who does have authority to release people from Karma POW then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rune Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 This problem has been addressed. I think we told him to go to Karma POW when that wasn't the right place for him. It's all been sorted, you're clear Rajistani. lol, thats what you said before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Just out of curiosity, who does have authority to release people from Karma POW then? Generally nations aren't released until their (former) alliance surrenders, but excepts on a case by case basis are given by the alliance with whom they technically surrendered too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Just out of curiosity, who does have authority to release people from Karma POW then? It's not really a question of authority so much as logistics. In principle every PoW should stay in the camp until either the war ends, 30 days have passed, or their native alliance surrenders. In the case of the last, or for an error such as I think this is (I only skimmed the logs) just about anybody can sort it out as long as they communicate with the people monitoring the PoW AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 It's not really a question of authority so much as logistics. In principle every PoW should stay in the camp until either the war ends, 30 days have passed, or their native alliance surrenders. In the case of the last, or for an error such as I think this is (I only skimmed the logs) just about anybody can sort it out as long as they communicate with the people monitoring the PoW AA. This guy's native alliance had surrendered, and he was told to return to Karma POW. Well I'm just gonna stay mystified I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 This guy's native alliance had surrendered, and he was told to return to Karma POW.Well I'm just gonna stay mystified I guess. This situation was weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 It's still a question of logistics. With the number of things to keep track of mistakes are bound to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Great use of private channels bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Great use of private channels bro! Yeah, because his initial experience of using them was so encouraging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphysics Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Glad to see it was resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x Tela x Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Disappointing from MrCyber. That query made him look like he was either deaf or stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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