Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 and bug repellent. Protip: Raid is bug repellent. Your not exactly very superior than these 'pests' your floundering at destroying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 So that's your evidence of them plotting to attack NPO and [OOC] of attacking your forums [/OOC]? That they told you something in confidence, you gave them a second chance, and then just revoked it for no reason?Okay... Doitzel I'm sure you read the NPO DOW, you have seen the evidence. [OOC] We have never accused Jarheads of attacking our forums[/OOC] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peron Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 So that's your evidence of them plotting to attack NPO and [OOC] of attacking your forums [/OOC]? That they told you something in confidence, you gave them a second chance, and then just revoked it for no reason?Okay... Hardly. That's our proof that they knew better. That they aren't noobs, they had been through this before and that they knew what the consequences were. Our evidence of them plotting against our allies and us was given in the multiple other threads that were posted before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Plotting to kill and hack is a little more than questioning my friend. Yeah, because those things were proven. Oh wait, they weren't. The guy who did the hacking is the one who told you of the month old plot to attack NPO which can't really be verified as an actual 'plot'. there have been numerous and I do mean numerous irc logs posted by people saying "hay lets destry the npo". Yet these are clearly seen as jokes. However when you see someone else say it, out of context, you immediately believe it to be their desire and intent and attack them for it. And I'm not your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joracy Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Protip: Raid is bug repellent. Your not exactly very superior than these 'pests' your floundering at destroying. [OOC]TBH, I think by bug repellent he means the kind of stuff you spray on yourself to keep bugs away. Raid is more of an insecticide I believe. Not the kind of stuff you want to apply to yourself a few times a day.[/OOC] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peron Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just out of intrest, will Iron support the statement Emperor Moo made, within the NPO-War-declaration, that they will warn all new nations, and give them a chance to leave the AA, and only attack the 50 original members of the AA, or the ppl not leaving after the warning.edit: added the last part IRON does plan to follow the same procedure. If a Jarheads nation that joined after the original DoW wants to surrender, they will be allowed to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Just out of intrest, will Iron support the statement Emperor Moo made, within the NPO-War-declaration, that they will warn all new nations, and give them a chance to leave the AA, and only attack the 50 original members of the AA, or the ppl not leaving after the warning.edit: added the last part All nations that were conned and tricked into coming over here into a situation they might not have been aware of, have been messaged by New Pacific Order High Command a chance to get out of war if they so chose. We are communicating with all allies who are participating to ensure if a nation does take us up on the offer, since we would prefer not to see new nations destroyed because they were led here under pretenses they had no clue. Nations that are part of the original fifty-three members, however, are in a state of war with New Pacific Order until Moo-Cows makes the decision otherwise. Edited March 4, 2009 by Bilrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hardly. That's our proof that they knew better. That they aren't noobs, they had been through this before and that they knew what the consequences were. Our evidence of them plotting against our allies and us was given in the multiple other threads that were posted before. Did you ever contact them or consult them on the accusation you had heard about them wishing to destroy the NPO? You were their protectors after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 All nations that were conned and tricked into coming over here into a situation they might not have been aware of, have been messaged by New Pacific Order High Command a chance to get out of war if they so choose. We are communicating with all allies who are participating to ensure if a nation does take us up on the offer, since we would prefer not to see new nations destroyed because they were led here under pretenses they had no clue. Nations that are part of the original fifty-three members, however, are in a state of war with New Pacific Order until Moo-Cows makes the decision otherwise. Conned into joining? They were asked to join by a youtube video and then the NPO declared war on the alliance. No one forced them to join and they sure as hell weren't tricked into attacking the NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 The guy who did the hacking is the one who told you of the month old plot to attack NPO which can't really be verified as an actual 'plot'. If you have any evidence to back this allegation then I'd be interested in seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 [OOC] We have never accused Jarheads of attacking our forums[/OOC] OOC: Ejayrazz did, which is who my original query for evidence was to. IC: Hardly. That's our proof that they knew better. That they aren't noobs, they had been through this before and that they knew what the consequences were. Our evidence of them plotting against our allies and us was given in the multiple other threads that were posted before. All I saw was the month-old plotting of a single person who was expelled from the alliance, from what Jarheads members have told me. I wonder if you attempted diplomacy in this matter at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 If you have any evidence to back this allegation then I'd be interested in seeing it. Doitzel I'm sure you read the NPO DOW, you have seen the evidence. You seem to have read the thread. You should know that semper fidelus proved screenshots proving the person who leaked the month old plot was the same person who attacked the NPOs forums. However if your interested in actually talking to your former protectorate about the situation they do use IRC. but That would be diplomacy, and with that you could have avoided this entire conflict and kept 300 allies that actually didn't dislike the NPO when they were attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 A Just respond. We gave them second chance, we gave them military protection, we gave them economic benefits and how do they reply? By serious and sinister plans to hit back at our allies and us. Obviously those who find this CB unjust expect us to let Jarheads sit there and run their full course of conspiracy and do great harm to us and our allies (OOC- Script kiddie: Honeypot ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fidelis Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 He's talking about the attack of NPO site in the past, which i already posted a link in the other thread to NPO's forum where you can see how MinDs aka MisledRH on this game bad mouthed them and threatened their site in 11 days or w/e. The same guy who got kicked out of the alliance and gave you the logs of us planning to attack NPO which were from over a month ago and Misled had no idea what we were doing or planning for past 3 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Conned into joining? They were asked to join by a youtube video and then the NPO declared war on the alliance. No one forced them to join and they sure as hell weren't tricked into attacking the NPO. Then that's the choice if they don't wish to take us up on our offer. However, the offer is on the table, because it would be a shame to lose [OOC]potential new players to the game[/OOC] if they did join not knowing what to expect. I've seen the communication [OCC]video[/OOC] and it has a wide room for people to be confused on the situation as well as the fact that they won't be getting nukes anytime soon, contrary to the communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 First off, I'm neither your friend nor your brother. Its funny actually, the person who leaked the logs of the supposed plot against the NPO after being kicked out of Jarheads is the same person who attacked NPOs forums. The 'plot' was also a month or so old and since then they had decided they liked being a protectorate of IRON one of NPOs allies. Also, you know what you just agreed to right? By repeating "they knew, they knew" you agreed with my statements against the NPO. Which were that they'll have their allies attack you and that everyone else in cn is a coward. By saying "they knew" you infer that not only are my claims true, but so true that even new players know them. First off my brother, you are now my brother. Good freaking job. I am neither for nor against NPO, I don't care merely because they are not afflicted to my alliance in this point of time. Let me elaborate my answer, I didn't feel the need to do so, but now I must. By opposing NPO and threatening to attack while being ALLIED to an ally of theirs, yea, they knew it was wrong. The rest, I don't care for. Sorry for the confusion. What I do know is by accepting IRONs protectorate treaty and initially stating they were considering attacking NPO and not informing IRON - since it was THEIR ally...well...that in itself is enough for IRON to cancel the protectorate status and carry out what they felt was necessary. I do however retract a former statement and believe too many alliances are involved, however IRON has the ability to do what it wishes in this case. As for Doitzel We were just going to forget what happened in the past and move on. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1309169 Though in denial or however you may feel to value his word, he admits they have a past and knew measures against NPO in this manner would be irrational, they have played the game for months now, they aren't moronic to the degree where they don't know who NPO is and consequences for such actions. This argument in this paragraph is not whether his word is true or not, but whether if they new actions against NPO would suffer these consequences. I am feeling a little uneasy about the situation since the public hasn't heard too much from Jarheads, but last I knew from conversations, their former leader wasn't as forgiving as he'd like to make believe in my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I wonder if you attempted diplomacy in this matter at all? They didn't, I went at length to try and get them to admit to it but it ended up going in circles of them saying "They knew" "Second chances" "They deserve it" and then of course they tried pointing it back at vox asking if they would use diplomacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Specific Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) IRON does plan to follow the same procedure. If a Jarheads nation that joined after the original DoW wants to surrender, they will be allowed to do so. That summary is quite a bit different than what the Emperor of the NPO said. But I am a nitpicking again I guess. Edited March 4, 2009 by General Specific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Conned into joining? They were asked to join by a youtube video and then the NPO declared war on the alliance. No one forced them to join and they sure as hell weren't tricked into attacking the NPO. Actually according to nightmare himself in Pacifica's DoW thread, they were asked to join by a youtube video that was posted because NPO declared war on the alliance, but that part isn't mentioned in the video at all. A person who would watch that video and then create a nation and join jarheads is basically being conned into joining the game to fight for the jarheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 They didn't, I went at length to try and get them to admit to it but it ended up going in circles of them saying "They knew" "Second chances" "They deserve it" and then of course they tried pointing it back at vox asking if they would use diplomacy. War is an arm diplomacy. I'm sure if you feel that IRON's justification is not legit, you are more than welcome to attack them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Then that's the choice if they don't wish to take us up on our offer. However, the offer is on the table, because it would be a shame to lose [OOC]potential new players to the game[/OOC] if they did join not knowing what to expect. I've seen the communication [OCC]video[/OOC] and it has a wide room for people to be confused on the situation as well as the fact that they won't be getting nukes anytime soon, contrary to the communication. Yeah, I'm sure you would absolutely love to recruit them to your alliance. Because honestly, your not just going to let them surrender and go free your going to force them into your alliance or one of your allies alliances. Which is why it would be a shame to lose new players. If you truly felt that way you have used diplomacy, not cowardice in your decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 All I saw was the month-old plotting of a single person who was expelled from the alliance, from what Jarheads members have told me. I wonder if you attempted diplomacy in this matter at all? Their are two Participants in that conversation, LordNightmare the serving President of Jarheads and the person responsible for the Youtube videos. The other is Jarheads Ex Vice-President. When Fireblade4k left Jarheads I asked both sides of the story. Fireblade4k was quite honest that he left because LordNightmare refused to give him admins on their forums and that they had fallen out. When I asked LordNightmare why he had left he informed me that Fireblade4k had left as he was busy with school and stuff. Now Jarheads claim he was booted? Of course they would plead innocence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) War is an arm diplomacy. I'm sure if you feel that IRON's justification is not legit, you are more than welcome to attack them. I'm currently attacking the New pacific order. I know its unfair but I can only attack so many and you guys were cruel to a new alliance first. Edit: I like how your post doesn't address how you guys never attempted diplomacy, but instead asserts might makes right. Edited March 4, 2009 by Snake Solidus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Yeah, I'm sure you would absolutely love to recruit them to your alliance. Because honestly, your not just going to let them surrender and go free your going to force them into your alliance or one of your allies alliances. Which is why it would be a shame to lose new players. If you truly felt that way you have used diplomacy, not cowardice in your decisions. The only stipulation is they can not join an enemy of the New Pacific Order which would defeat the whole purpose of them changing their affiliation since they would still be an open target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Solidus Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Their are two Participants in that conversation, LordNightmare the serving President of Jarheads and the person responsible for the Youtube videos. The other is Jarheads Ex Vice-President. When Fireblade4k left Jarheads I asked both sides of the story.Fireblade4k was quite honest that he left because LordNightmare refused to give him admins on their forums and that they had fallen out. When I asked LordNightmare why he had left he informed me that Fireblade4k had left as he was busy with school and stuff. Now Jarheads claim he was booted? Of course they would plead innocence. I don't believe the issue iswith him getting kicked out, it with you not talking to your own protectorate about accusations fro ma guy who left because he didn't get admins (as you claim). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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