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I was just channeling him, casting nonsense about with little regard to truth or to reality. Ever wonder why he did that? Ever wonder why many of your more outspoken members do that? Hey, I obviously am just making stuff up here like TBB did to gum up the works. Back on topic, time to go and hope there are no punitive reps but that stolen funds are returned. Also I think NPO, IRON and Echelon have been getting a free pass here... too much tpf chatter Good luck, mhawk. I like you and hope that saying this does not offend you.

Yes, indeed. I look forward to The Big Bad's final thread... (no, not that one)

Yeah, I have seen even some continuum threads parroting this line. Surely explains all of this erroneous Vox intel on TPF I have been catching up on. Well-played.

lol well played. Did the pirate tell you I bit so hard I pm'd him? I feel so used and abused.

Interesting that you bring up the noCB war again here at this time. If any alliance were to be asked to share in paying for their roles in those crimes it should be NPO, GGA, and TPF. The depth of hypocrisy and months of prep work behind the scenes was astounding. Members of the Citadel and alliances like Rok and Fark simply have no idea what a bill of good they were sold. Yes, Sponge was an $@!, but he was an honest $@!. The dishonest "criminals" were the ones who told you they were your friends while they laughed at you behind the scenes for your naivete as you marched on Polaris. Thank admin for Karma.

I agree and that was not my point at all. There really never was a TF! or even a TPF pre-mhawk. There was a personality cult much like what we see in the currently ailing Pacifica today. Just as I hope the nations of tpf are given some honorable peace terms, I also don't want to see the nations of the NPO punished with reps. Repay some key reps they extorted from some helpless alliances yes, but not pay reps for the sake of reps.

No offense, but without compromising your current alliance security, you are wrong and unless you insist, I should refrain from posting more from the Vox archives to show here just how wrong you are. (These things probably should be burned now that Vox is dissolved. And no good really would come from posting much of this stuff.) I still stand by my original sentiment that I hope TPF is not asked to pay outrageous reps, and definitely not be asked to disband. It would seem just if TPF were asked only to repay received reps to allliances like the GPA and Athens and perhaps 2 or 3 others they received reps from.

I'll remind you of Poison Clan and Atarax. All who left were to be attacked and their leaders were to be sentenced to PZI when they left (across rerolls, yes), and then the remaining TPF government went to hell in a handbasket trying to make sense of that. Now they have mhawk and that cool deathcat dude trying their damnedest to hold things together. Man, I love the Vox Populi alliance history archives.

TPF is referred to as totalfarkistan or TF! in our history books. Same leader, same policies.

Slayer/TPF must have mellowed post UJP war. From what I know from friends who he threatened to pursue across rerolls following GW3, there was no diplomacy involved in the DIAF list. It was die in a fire, period.

There are many, many nations TPF kept at PZI and they even had a name for one of their public lists, the DIAF (die in a fire, net meme) roster. I know someone who was placed on TPF's DIAF list for having nuked Slayer during a great war. He was lumped in with dozens of other PZI-sentenced nations, many of which had nazi-esque sounding or suggesting names, such as Adolf Anything and Slaytanic Wermacht mebbe, and many had offensive commentaries in their bios. It was pretty insulting, since there was nothing racist about him. I think his name was Denial, which is altogether fitting in this discussion today.

I challenge you to find one alliance on Planet Bob that fits California's alliance parameters that has not been raided by Poison Clan. Also, make no mistake about my honesty here, I totally agree that they did it to taunt TPF, since they even admit most of those in range in TPF are in peace mode. But that is not our argument here.

Okay, is colony a better word for Zenith?

This is an OOC area and this is clearly an IC topic... epecially since you and I both freely admit that we are getting an IC kick out of getting a rise out of our IC opponents here.

Raiding is being used for sport and taunting by definition. What is your point again?