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Besides the excess of "flamboyant tough boy" roleplaying going on at the OWF, a couple of other things have been bothering me.

1. You should all thank me and my passive aggressiveness because it is much much less irritating than another tough guy routine.

2. Every single one of us is a hypocrite. If you deny it, you're a bigger hypocrite than the rest of us. Stop. Posting. About. Hypocrisy.

3. We all like to post about historical events as an "this proves your argument is invalid!" card, but we really should keep these things in perspective. The vast majority of nations in the game were not there to experience the things we ramble on about for hundreds of pages.

You want numbers you say? I went through the all nations display by creation date and this is what I found.*

Great War I

Ended August 1st, 2006

406/20,653= 0.01966 or 2%

Great War III

Ended April 13th, 2007

2,019/20,653 = 0.09776 or 10%

GPA War

Ended March 13th, 2008

4,328/20,653 = 0.2096 or 20%

End of the Ordinance of the Orders

Ended July 4th, 2008

5,113/20,653 = 0.2476 or 25%

Karma War

Ended July 19th, 2009

8,036/20,653 = 0.3891 or 39%

I found the Karma War percentage shocking enough that I'll go ahead and link it here.

There are the rerolls, but there aren't enough to noticeably shift the percentages around. I could also easily say that most of the nations still around don't give two !@#$% about 2007 anymore.

Who does care about events 4-5 years ago? The rather vocal minority of people posting on these forums. The vocal minority spread "the facts" around to the people who don't bother getting involved on the CN forums or weren't playing when these events happened. The result is that we all end up carrying emotional baggage from stuff we really shouldn't care about in the first place.

*I'm trying out the delayed publishing option. These numbers are from Thursday night. I'm probably not around, so don't DoW on me. Lol.

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The Karma war number is surprising.... but:

2,019/20,653 = 0.09776 or 10% (GW III is astounding) that's the heart of the game, and the numbers seem to be holding up nicely. Hell, I'm nearing 4 years and 10% of the nation population is Older! This bodes well for the continuation of time.

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2. Every single one of us is a hypocrite. If you deny it, you're a bigger hypocrite than the rest of us. Stop. Posting. About. Hypocrisy.

Ha, I like this one. Most of the stuff that leads to war is in the grey area. The stuff you'd support if it were on your side and you'd reject if it were on the opposite side. Very few things, like the NEW-DF raid, are not questionable, and they're often completely foolish.

Everyone who's not as neutral as a judge would be a little hypocritical. You can, say, tell one person that reps are destroying the game and accept reps from someone else in the future. There are, of course, lots of little details that make the situations different, but simplify it enough and any troll will cry hypocrisy for 20 pages over it.

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Regarding #3

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I've pointed this out before in posts (and privately to old mentors of mine) a great deal. People say, "I guess so" and then continue to base everything they do on ancient history. Well, sorry, but it's hard to get fired up when the great wrong done (even assuming everything said by one side is absolutely true and that side was a total victim) was something that happened before Lander Clan existed.

What is really annoying is that I'm NOT that young! I could understand if my nation was 30 days old or something but that isn't the case. As of today I'm 984 days old - that's 16 days away from 1000 (which people consider a mile stone for some reason) and the only war that I remember from above is the Karma war. Even then, I wasn't involved with that as NPO had not done anything to me or the alliance I was a part of. I'm also NOT a reroll.

The entire Doomhouse vs. NPO thing, regardless of what happened in the past, is distasteful because it happened in the past and (I thought) was resolved. (OOC: at best it's like Great Britain or the US declaring war on Germany for what happened in World War II - yeah, justified then but just plain silly now).

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I think re-rolls are a larger number than you may realize. Off the top of my head I can think of >20 in my alliance alone. I'm one of them, having now re-rolled no fewer than five times over nearly five years.

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The entire Doomhouse vs. NPO thing, regardless of what happened in the past, is distasteful because it happened in the past and (I thought) was resolved. (OOC: at best it's like Great Britain or the US declaring war on Germany for what happened in World War II - yeah, justified then but just plain silly now).

Okay, you godwined it already, so I'm going to beat up your analogy. It's like the Great Britain or US declaring war on Germany if somehow Heinrich Himmler and Rudolf Hess were in charge of Germany and if Germany had never made great efforts to show it was different and upheld its previous glory. Seriously, trying to bring that in was a bad idea. In Germany people actually feel bad for what the regime did, NPO doesn't.

"Well, Cortath and Mary(regent) were both high-ranking officials under Moo, but that just doesn't matter according to an ahistorical perspective."

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Okay, you godwined it already, so I'm going to beat up your analogy. It's like the Great Britain or US declaring war on Germany if somehow Heinrich Himmler and Rudolf Hess were in charge of Germany and if Germany had never made great efforts to show it was different and upheld its previous glory. Seriously, trying to bring that in was a bad idea. In Germany people actually feel bad for what the regime did, NPO doesn't.

Thank you for telling us how we feel master.

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Okay, so the NPO as a whole regrets doing much of what it did? Basically, here's the core issue: NPO as an alliance prides itself on its past and can't really denounce past actions with much ease. For example, you'd have to pretty much demolish Moo given he was Emperor for the most of Pacifica's dominance.

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I know I'm not supposed to agree with a GOONS, especially their big cheese, but Sardonic is correct. That war, more than any other is what defined the world for many of those in prominant positions/alliances today.

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Wish everything was based on those stats.

NPO EZIed me in 06 for ghosting under a different name. Not really sure why, guess you were bored that month and a half. WUT then PZIed me after TPF told them too in 07. I had to then plead my case in WUT court(or something) along with 70-80 other nations that wanted to play this game again. While you did state that there are rerolls, you're alliance is part of the reason those stats are curved. And while I did get over the fact that I had to delete my nation to play a game again due to an alliance of what you call "flamboyant tough boys" that doesnt mean everyone else is.

This proves your argument is somewhat invalid.

Also, what Antoine Roquentin said. You actually prided yourself on winning 30-40 curbstomps up until Karma. Some of NPO had sigs stating how you were all 46-0 in victories. Didnt really seem to feel so sorry then, I doubt it now.

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I thought MK were the Nazis in this scenario?

Dammit the analogy is all messed up.

No Doomhouse/FAN is Japan, Nazi Germany delayed several days before declaring on the United States.

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Who does care about events 4-5 years ago? The rather vocal minority of people posting on these forums. The vocal minority spread "the facts" around to the people who don't bother getting involved on the CN forums or weren't playing when these events happened. The result is that we all end up carrying emotional baggage from stuff we really shouldn't care about in the first place.

Actually, it's most of the people playing this game who cares about those events. You may have noticed that player retention is at an all-time low and it's because newbies get involved, find people arguing about crap from 2006, and get bored and leave.

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Actually, it's most of the people playing this game who cares about those events. You may have noticed that player retention is at an all-time low and it's because newbies get involved, find people arguing about crap from 2006, and get bored and leave.

Your side does this more than ours, especially with rehashing Karma trying to paint us as hypocrites.

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I think re-rolls are a larger number than you may realize. Off the top of my head I can think of >20 in my alliance alone. I'm one of them, having now re-rolled no fewer than five times over nearly five years.

I am on Rebel Virginia Mark V.

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For what it's worth I've rerolled more times than I can count but have never been away from the game more than 3 months after Karma, and I know there are plenty of old-timers who are in the same boat. It's pretty easy to hit a month or two where you can't really find the reason to login, so I disagree with the idea that rerolls aren't going to have a significant effect on these statistics, especially the one looking at those still around from GW3 (how many people left after UjW and came back? Karma?)

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