Voytek Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Corinan' date='21 July 2010 - 02:35 AM' timestamp='1279643736' post='2380772'] Ha, yes because LUE is above such things, right? [/quote] I just can't resist pointing out delicious hypocrisy when I see it. [quote name='Aimee Mann' date='21 July 2010 - 02:36 AM' timestamp='1279643753' post='2380773']For one who screams about violations to his own sovereignty you're rather quick to trample all over other people's. Let me ask you this: why is your sovereignty as an alliance worth more than the sovereignty of thousands of individual nations?[/quote] Individual nations don't have sovereignty. It's in the CN Bible. [quote name='Aimee Mann' date='21 July 2010 - 02:36 AM' timestamp='1279643753' post='2380773']Do not attempt to dismiss me as a silly moralist either, like others are doing. I know I have morals, I'm proud of them, and I'm happy to share them with [b]you rampant brutes[/b] in the hope of some form of enlightenment.[/quote] wow, why so mean Edited July 20, 2010 by Voytek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Is it wrong if I point out that some people believe that 'insults to honor' constitute a CB? Not that I'm a warmonger or "bored because it's Summer" or anything like that, but I'm seeing a lot of them. [size="1"](OK, I'm a warmonger and bored because it's Summer, but c'mon guys! War! War! War! War!)[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Aimee Mann' date='20 July 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1279643753' post='2380773'] For one who screams about violations to his own sovereignty you're rather quick to trample all over other people's. Let me ask you this: why is your sovereignty as an alliance worth more than the sovereignty of thousands of individual nations? [/quote] Because they are exactly that! [b]Individual[/b] nations. If they want to join an alliance, there are plenty of peaceful (and non-peaceful) alliances out here to join! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) [quote name='flak attack' date='20 July 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1279643694' post='2380768'] You are aware that, as of our last count, we have more former NPO and former GPA members than former LUE members, right? [/quote] Well, at least now we understand why your behavior is increasingly hegemonic Edited July 20, 2010 by shilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='20 July 2010 - 12:35 PM' timestamp='1279643718' post='2380770'] You should have said this when you were relying on moralists to help you overthrow the 'evil' amoral hegemony ... [/quote]There's a big difference between denial of the right to exist and raiding unaligned nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Voytek' date='20 July 2010 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1279643814' post='2380776'] I just can't resist pointing out delicious hypocrisy when I see it. [/quote] My posting in this thread is in no way hypocritical. If you didn't want me painting your alliance in a bad light you shouldn't have made it so damned easy for me to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Corinan' date='21 July 2010 - 02:41 AM' timestamp='1279644047' post='2380784'] My posting in this thread is in no way hypocritical. If you didn't want me painting your alliance in a bad light you shouldn't have made it so damned easy for me to do so. [/quote] It's always easy for people to paint actions made by alliances they don't like in a bad light. Doing so in a correct and philosophically sound manner is a lot harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Not if you want to be 'spared' moralism and live by survival of the fittest (i.e. might makes right), Quinoa. One of your targets is in an [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=The%20Borg]alliance[/url] anyway, he's not 'individual'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Poor show by MK PC \m/ GOONS etc. I am not surprised nor disappointed as I have learned to not expect better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Quinoa Rex' date='20 July 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1279644027' post='2380783'] There's a big difference between denial of the right to exist and raiding unaligned nations. [/quote] TDSM8 disbanding? Survival of the fittest! VE disbanding? Survival of the fittest! The 'survival of the fittest' line is absolutely no different from the might makes right doctrine preached by the hegemony in its heyday. It's saddening to see it preached by alliances that fought to overthrow them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Corinan' date='20 July 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1279644047' post='2380784'] My posting in this thread is in no way hypocritical. If you didn't want me painting your alliance in a bad light you shouldn't have made it so damned easy for me to do so. [/quote] The fact that someone in NSO said this is just comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuzaki Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='21 July 2010 - 05:35 AM' timestamp='1279643718' post='2380770'] And now you think you have the power to safely attack them to make a point, but presumably don't think you have the power just to attack NPO, you think it's fine. This is precisely 'might makes right', something which you complained bitterly about when it was applied to keeping you down. [/quote] From a moral point of view it would have been fine to raid them pre-Karma. From an economical point of view it would have been suicide. [quote name='Bob Janova' date='21 July 2010 - 05:35 AM' timestamp='1279643718' post='2380770'] That would be the right not to get attacked for something that somebody else did, one that you were particularly keen to point out was being violated in NoCB. And the right not to get attacked if you don't do anything to deserve it. [/quote] I don't believe that individual nations have those rights. They have the right to exist and the right to join an alliance, but that is about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Ascend, Ascend etc. o/ Unjust Path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Matt Miller' date='20 July 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1279640456' post='2380666'] Or allies? [/quote] Astonishingly, the people of Free Radicals are mature enough to be able to maintain alliances with those with whom they have differences of opinion. Those of us fortunate enough to be members of democratic alliances are quite used to overcoming differences for the greater good. That practice is readily extended to inter-alliance relations. Salve quoque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='21 July 2010 - 02:43 AM' timestamp='1279644206' post='2380791'] Not if you want to be 'spared' moralism and live by survival of the fittest (i.e. might makes right), Quinoa. One of your targets is in an [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=The%20Borg]alliance[/url] anyway, he's not 'individual'. [/quote] We don't recognise the existences of alliances with less than 10 nations. Welp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Moridin' date='20 July 2010 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1279644275' post='2380794'] TDSM8 disbanding? Survival of the fittest! [/quote] As unfortunate as it was, that was the case as TDSM8 had fallen terribly inactive. They had expected noCB to be their last stand and simply lost interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o-dog Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Acca Dacca' date='20 July 2010 - 05:33 PM' timestamp='1279643596' post='2380762'] So is this thread. Have you read it? It's funny. [/quote] Indeed. It reminds me of the threads GOONS and \m/ used to enjoy back in the day when they were best pals with NPO. No wonder this new world seems just like the old world; it's just the name tags have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='20 July 2010 - 12:43 PM' timestamp='1279644206' post='2380791'] Not if you want to be 'spared' moralism and live by survival of the fittest (i.e. might makes right), Quinoa. One of your targets is in an [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=The%20Borg]alliance[/url] anyway, he's not 'individual'. [/quote] That's not what survival of the fittest means, Bob. It's not about might makes right; it's about successfully adapting to a set of circumstances given your environment. MK also does not recognize AAs of under 10 members as an alliance. This is a common practice amongst raiding alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuzaki Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Just so you all know, "Might makes right" and "Survival of the fittest" are not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Quinoa Rex' date='20 July 2010 - 09:49 AM' timestamp='1279644543' post='2380805'] That's not what survival of the fittest means, Bob. It's not about might makes right; it's about successfully adapting to a set of circumstances given your environment.[/quote] It is exactly the same. Any alliance that disbands under the weight of war or terms can simply be said to not be fit enough to survive in the world in which they existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Moridin' date='20 July 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1279644663' post='2380809'] It is exactly the same. Any alliance that disbands under the weight of war or terms can simply be said to not be fit enough to survive in the world in which they existed. [/quote] If an alliance doesn't have a strong enough stomach to tell an aggressive alliance to go swivel, and they opt to [i]disband[/i] because of it, that is probably better for them. It has nothing to do with right or wrong. It is, like I said, a matter of adaptation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Unaligned red are fair game, choke on it CoJ. Edited July 20, 2010 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Schattenmann' date='20 July 2010 - 05:29 PM' timestamp='1279639728' post='2380640'] Perhaps you're unaware of the extreme measures that GOONS puts in place to prevent raid targets from achieving peace. Maybe go enlighten yourself: http://cngoons.com/Board/index.php?topic=4533.0 So far, this microAA victim of the safari has been asked to -Draw a picture of a Soviet vagina -Write a 600-word essay with two pictures -Make the essay a pornographic fanfic of a furry Sarah and Bristol Palin yiffing [/quote] As a prior member of a GOONS alliance, I would expect you to put a bit more thought into your intelligence collecting, Schat. Are you [i]really[/i] under the impression that every single goon that enters each thread has the ability to force the person requesting peace to perform whichever act they come up with? This is why we have a high adjudicator. She produces the terms, unless responsibility has been verbally handed over to someone else (usually Dr. Beefstupid). The 'Soviet vagina' picture and the 'pornographic fanfic of Sarah and Bristol Palin' are neither actual terms nor are they condoned as such by GOONS gov't. Nice smear attempt, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Moridin' date='20 July 2010 - 11:51 AM' timestamp='1279644663' post='2380809'] It is exactly the same. Any alliance that disbands under the weight of war or terms can simply be said to not be fit enough to survive in the world in which they existed. [/quote] Besides, MK, unlike those we are being compared to, do not force people to disband their alliance. Nor is the raiding of red in any way comparable to forcibly disbanding alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='nippy' date='20 July 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1279645051' post='2380821'] 'pornographic fanfic of Sarah and Bristol Palin'[/quote] I dunno, I'd go unaligned for the opportunity to write that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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