Keve69 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) The control of a significant portion of the seller's market can be used to artificially inflate demand. It's sort of the same way a monopoly works in economics. If you control an essential resource, you can charge whatever price you want for it. Of course, any control this consortium achieves will be only partial, but the expansion of the consortium will be driven by self interests of smaller nations. It seems likely to me that this may lead to conflict, possibly even to war. I am glad to see market forces start to arise in CN though, it will make the game a lot more interesting. DAMNIT FOILED AGAIN! ***Keve69 returns to his lair, in order to plot his ascent in the CN power-structure... then he realizes that stating his plan is the best way to remove attention from it*** Your right Londo, this is in fact a thinly veiled attempt to gain control of the single resource in CN economy in order to boost prices to an absurd amount, feed tech to those the TSU wishes to advance and strangle all the others in an effort to create a huge nuke fest and to ensure that once everything is cleared and the nuclear holocaust ends... the people we want on top will be on top! Also somewhere in there Im going to assume complete and utter control over the TSU ensuring I alone dictate the monopoly of CN tech! Also, this plan is most likely sponsored by the Sith as it is inherently ebil! Or maybe its NPO? Well that was fun! If you wish to have an in-depth onversation over my points of view on the way this could develop CN economics and etc, please contact me on IRC I envision a great discussion/argument! ALSO LINES BEING DRAWN *edit: a weird typo made 'will be on' into 'en on'... dont ask Edited November 10, 2009 by Keve69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) DAMNIT FOILED AGAIN! ***Keve69 returns to his lair, in order to plot his ascent in the CN power-structure... then he realizes that stating his plan is the best way to remove attention from it***Your right Londo, this is in fact a thinly veiled attempt to gain control of the single resource in CN economy in order to boost prices to an absurd amount, feed tech to those the TSU wishes to advance and strangle all the others in an effort to create a huge nuke fest and to ensure that once everything is cleared and the nuclear holocaust ends... the people we want on top will be on top! Also somewhere in there Im going to assume complete and utter control over the TSU ensuring I alone dictate the monopoly of CN tech! Also, this plan is most likely sponsored by the Sith as it is inherently ebil! Or maybe its NPO? Well that was fun! If you wish to have an in-depth onversation over my points of view on the way this could develop CN economics and etc, please contact me on IRC I envision a great discussion/argument! ALSO LINES BEING DRAWN *edit: a weird typo made 'will be on' into 'en on'... dont ask Amusingly enough, the bold is almost exactly the argument you made for it when you tried (repeatedly, even after being turned down) to get EPIC to go along with your little boondoggle. EDIT: Also, I'm also slightly amused. There are far fewer alliances in your group than you had tried to convince me there were on IRC. Edited November 10, 2009 by Lord Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpdogg Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Keve, you suck at monopoly. TSU needs a better dictator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Our current orders already place us over 165k tech. Thats just in the first few hours of this announcement. B) Congratulations, I look forward to seeing it all delivered on time, and thus causing my eyebrows to be raised in mild surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spearo Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) What is the point of this? Anyone with 5 minutes spare can get themselves 5 tech deals and most alliances like to keep their tech buying with in their alliance and allies so as to maximise the benefit to the alliance from them. Also this doesn't ensure fair tech dealing, people pay what they are willing and rogues do what ever the hell they like. Edited November 10, 2009 by spearo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Should have waited for AUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 This is a lot bigger than most of the people reading it realize. I think that's the best part of this whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 So will this work like a customs union in the future? Tariffs to alliances not signing up to a demand side section of this treaty? this is of course assuming that this enterprise is shown to work (If guru order is there, I'm sure it will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keve69 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) Amusingly enough, the bold is almost exactly the argument you made for it when you tried (repeatedly, even after being turned down) to get EPIC to go along with your little boondoggle.EDIT: Also, I'm also slightly amused. There are far fewer alliances in your group than you had tried to convince me there were on IRC. I call shenanigans! That being said, you are indeed correct not all alliances joined, alot of them were simply unreachable! Though to be fair we still aren't too far from our estimates... we estimated 1200 nations we got 850+, so yeah your entirely right it isnt 100% successful but no matter for now its succeeding pretty well Im still happy to see that many seller alliances have a chance to develop and work together to provide more stable deals to buyers and ensure their own development! My offer still stands if EPIC wishes to join *edit: horrible syntaxe* Edited November 10, 2009 by Keve69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProdigyNL Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 A very good idea, congratulations with the formation of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raasaa Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 This is a gargantuan effort.....wishing all the alliance the very best. Hats off to all of you for even attempting something on this scale. A small note, i believe this has been attempted many times over before. I remember NATO-FARK-FCC and a few others had a separate tech dealing forums and used to organize joint tech deals between their respective alliances. The Agora accords and Watling Street Compact also had something similar in their write up. Almost all the blocs have a tech dealing section on their forums.......Not to forget Citadel Trading Corporation. What you fail to realize is that when you piss one of us off, ALL of us stop selling to your alliance and your allies. Just for the heck of it, i would like to see if this will really happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Just for the heck of it, i would like to see if this will really happen. I agree, it would be interesting how closely tied you became, and whether you held to that. I strongly suspect that this collaborative shut out wouldn't happen, and I hope that if that situation occurs I'm proved wrong. /o Trade Unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keve69 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 This is a gargantuan effort.....wishing all the alliance the very best. Hats off to all of you for even attempting something on this scale.A small note, i believe this has been attempted many times over before. I remember NATO-FARK-FCC and a few others had a separate tech dealing forums and used to organize joint tech deals between their respective alliances. The Agora accords and Watling Street Compact also had something similar in their write up. Almost all the blocs have a tech dealing section on their forums.......Not to forget Citadel Trading Corporation. Just for the heck of it, i would like to see if this will really happen. Oh all dramallamas keep your eyes peeled we are going to enact it if the situation ever comes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aineshane Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hmmm, commendable. Just sitting on the sidelines to see if this will work. PS: The tech market cannot be monopolised, I says so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keve69 Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hmmm, commendable. Just sitting on the sidelines to see if this will work.PS: The tech market cannot be monopolised, I says so Your right, monopolizing the tech market is an absolutely impossible feat! I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 PS: The tech market cannot be monopolised, I says so Not all of it, as tech deals will continue internally. But as organisations who sell tech on mass, with reliability for a price, I think it can assuming enough people sign up. Internal tech deals in some alliances are different from some market prices anyway as a substitute/supplement to aid programs, so this kind of commerical tech dealing can be quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Leger Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 o/ T.S.U o/ to our future customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 This sounds really cool, congrats guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remaliat Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 What is the point of this? Anyone with 5 minutes spare can get themselves 5 tech deals and most alliances like to keep their tech buying with in their alliance and allies so as to maximise the benefit to the alliance from them. Also this doesn't ensure fair tech dealing, people pay what they are willing and rogues do what ever the hell they like. Wrong. More and more alliances are not keeping their tech dealing in house as it is better for an alliance to rapidly grow their own nations via back collections and growth programs and then import the tech from outside the alliance. Some alliances haven't used internal tech dealing as the backbone of their tech market for months if not years. This is an exciting time for those alliances who actually know what they are doing economically speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serberus Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I am very proud to put my name and the name of my alliance with the other great alliances within this union. With our continued co-operation, we will certainly be able to benefit one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Finally this one is set out, i have to say that although this was a joint idea originally thought out by myself and Keve way back in April, it was finally Keve which brought it to life several months later (the Karma war is what delayed this). Allot of work needs to be done still, but i think that long term this will benefit both the sellers and the buyers as they will have a reliable, stable market to purchase tech in large quantities and the sellers also benefit from large available tech orders + guidance from Pro distributors. This was never orientated towards making some type of a monopoly, which is obviously not achievable anyway as most alliances buy their tech internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ome Harry Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 A well thought out plan for worlddomination Good job and hope it works out great o/ Guru Order, Hi Guru o/ Octava Orden, Hi Ezequiel o/ the other signatories too o/ obligatory FOK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legion-x Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 so are you guys taking orders from everyone or just eachother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remaliat Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) It is a group of tech selling alliances forming a business community for other alliances to approach them about deals. So they are selling to everyone. Edit: Unless you piss them off Edited November 10, 2009 by Remaliat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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