The Khmer Ultimatum.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

"Wrong place, wrong time. Unfortunately necessary casualties of the war. Our diplomats were civilians. But again.. better a small amount of people killed in delivering a message, than a widespread military offensive. If Khmer has gotten this message clearly, this war can be over.. they just need accept the terms."

[Maelstrom Vortex]

"Actually no its better no soldiers die or civilians but if it comes down to it soldiers sign up knowing they might die, civilians do not. The Dragon Empire commited war crimes here and is lucky no one will do anyhting about it".

"War crimes is a term so liberally used. A war crime is committed when you attempt ethnic cleansing, you release a weapon of mass destruction which is indiscriminate and proliferate in its body count such as biological weapons or nuclear weapons, or devices of torture are used. The missile we used was meant for one target, which it destroyed effectively, with minimal collateral body count, and struck directly against the perpetrators of this conflict. That is not a war crime. That is mercy when we could have invaded the whole state. Those who died are those at fault save a few unlucky souls. Justice has been delivered at the tip of a sword."

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[King Kevz]

"War crimes is a term so liberally used. A war crime is committed when you attempt ethnic cleansing, you release a weapon of mass destruction which is indiscriminate and proliferate in its body count such as biological weapons or nuclear weapons, or devices of torture are used. The missile we used was meant for one target, which it destroyed effectively, with minimal collateral body count, and struck directly against the perpetrators of this conflict. That is not a war crime. That is mercy when we could have invaded the whole state. Those who died are those at fault. Justice has been delivered at the tip of a sword."

"Then I hope that one day that justice is delievered to the Dragon Empire at the tip of a sword to and we will be there to watch".

[hawk11]

"War crimes is a term so liberally used. A war crime is committed when you attempt ethnic cleansing, you release a weapon of mass destruction which is indiscriminate and proliferate in its body count such as biological weapons or nuclear weapons, or devices of torture are used. The missile we used was meant for one target, which it destroyed effectively, with minimal collateral body count, and struck directly against the perpetrators of this conflict. That is not a war crime. That is mercy when we could have invaded the whole state. Those who died are those at fault. Justice has been delivered at the tip of a sword."

The Elective Dictatorship of Palintine laughs at this liberal use of the words "war crime" by the Dragon Empire.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Re: Pax Pacis

"Keep talking like that and we will rescind our peace terms. Your talk is bordering on threats to the empire which fall under the category of additional belligerence. Keep in mind, Pax Pacis, you are part of the reasons our responses have been.. and must be severe."

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[King Kevz]

Re: Pax Pacis

"Keep talking like that and we will rescind our peace terms. Your talk is bordering on threats to the empire which fall under the category of additional belligerence. Keep in mind, Pax Pacis, you are part of the reasons our responses have been.. and must be severe."

"Our war had nothing to do with the Khmer Empire. Our war was caused by a government that wanted to see Pax Pacis destroyed becuase it was Lady Kingswell's dream".

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Re Pax Pacis:

"You must understand that while your nation has 'changed clothes' that until it demonstrates a change in behavior we still see you as the same government."

[King Kevz]

Re Pax Pacis:

"You must understand that while your nation has 'changed clothes' that until it demonstrates a change in behavior we still see you as the same government."

"A change in behaviour? We have agreed to the surrender terms something that our last government didn't do so please tell us what can be changed"

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Re: Pax Pacis

"The fact you're still siding with Khmer even though they killed our diplomats and tried to frame us for an atrocity. This is between our state and theirs."

[Voodoo Nova]

A Polish columnist had this to say in their column:

"...The Dragon Empire is no better than Nordland with the use of their power."

[Maelstrom Vortex]

A Dragonisian News Media columnist responded,

"Godwin's law applys."

[King Kevz]

Re: Pax Pacis

"The fact you're still siding with Khmer even though they killed our diplomats and tried to frame us for an atrocity. This is between our state and theirs."

"No if they did kill your diplomats when they were unarmed then we agree they needed to be dealth with but all we have heard is reports that they may or may not have been armed. If you can prove they were unarmed then we would support your attempt to get justice but by using a cruise missile strike to hit the target we disagree with that for all you know the government could have not been in the building and you just killed a number of innocent civilians and now you set an examle to the world saying hey you got a problem using a cruise missile".

[V The King]

A Polish columnist had this to say in their column:

"...The Dragon Empire is no better than Nordland with the use of their power."

A Vinilandese reporter noted:

"The Khmer deserves very little sympathy and plenty of punishment. Killing diplomats for absolutely no reason is not only a very strong Casus Belli, it is also ridiculously ruthless on the part of the offending party and shows that the nation's government has no regards for respect, diplomacy or value of human life. They should be glad that the Dragon Empire did not reply immediately with a full-force attack."

[King Kevz]

A Vinilandese reporter noted:

"The Khmer deserves very little sympathy and plenty of punishment. Killing diplomats for absolutely no reason is not only a very strong Casus Belli, it is also ridiculously ruthless on the part of the offending party and shows that the nation's government has no regards for respect, diplomacy or value of human life. They should be glad that the Dragon Empire did not reply immediately with a full-force attack."

"And what if the diplomats were armed?"

[Maelstrom Vortex]

"No if they did kill your diplomats when they were unarmed then we agree they needed to be dealth with but all we have heard is reports that they may or may not have been armed. If you can prove they were unarmed then we would support your attempt to get justice but by using a cruise missile strike to hit the target we disagree with that for all you know the government could have not been in the building and you just killed a number of innocent civilians and now you set an examle to the world saying hey you got a problem using a cruise missile".

"The Empire explicitly forbids the arming of diplomats. That would not make them diplomats. The Khmer have admitted to the murder of our diplomats via this press release."

Document provided

"There has never been.. in the history of the Empire.. any diplomat armed or discovered to be armed at any formal affair worldwide. There was no trial. Our people were simply brutally murdered. Much like their allegations that we destroyed their town which they would not permit the world to investigate peacefully, this is another attempt to falsely smear the Empire."

"By killing our diplomats they stepped beyond diplomacy. They have proven negotiations to be literally.. dangerous to our health and well being."

"The Empire seeks a third party mediator in ongoing negotiations as we will not trust our own delegations to sit with theirs at a table without getting shot at."

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Centurius]

"Khmer triggered our defensive treaties when they attacked our sovereignty by killing our diplomats which is a widely accepted cassus belli. The Pax Hanseatica is a defensive treaty, it would be activated."

The unneeded attack on a Government building before letting the surrender term period pass in our eyes does not justify a genuine goal for peace. The Pax Hanseatica serves to fight for what is good not bully a smaller nation. We can not support it and as such will not.

[King Kevz]

"The Empire explicitly forbids the arming of diplomats. That would not make them diplomats. The Khmer have admitted to the murder of our diplomats via this press release."

Document provided

"There has never been.. in the history of the Empire.. any diplomat armed or discovered to be armed at any formal affair worldwide. There was no trial. Our people were simply brutally murdered. Much like their allegations that we destroyed their town which they would not permit the world to investigate peacefully, this is another attempt to falsely smear the Empire."

"By killing our diplomats they stepped beyond diplomacy. They have proven negotiations to be literally.. dangerous to our health and well being."

"No they reported the killing of your diplomats after they claimed they attacked their ruler, if someone had attacked Lady Kingswell we would kill them too to protect her. And whilst your record is outstanding that doesn't mean a black ops team couldn't have been sent disguised as a diplomatic team. At this moment we don't know which side is correct and didn't they ask you in for talks?"

[sir jesus]

"Everybody has been requesting for evidence that Dragon Empire was sending a team of diplomats. I have prepared the following:

- Unconfirmed report of DE attack on Khmer village. International investigation was forbidden.

30 minutes elapse

- Kingdom of Cochin announces that our Empire is sending in a team of diplomats

40 minutes elapse

- Diplomatic mission is confirmed to have landed at Hue Airport

Voice recording of Conversation

- DE is accused of being an assimilating culture-killing machine

- DE diplomats responded and and addressed Pax Pacis

The voice link captured the following:

- Hun Sen: "I've got something to show you ..... HE'S GOT A GUN!!"

- No gunfire from diplomatic team

- Guards rush into room and fire on the ten diplomats

I think it should be obvious that this is a set-up. Nobody in their right mind would attempt an assassination and so rigorously broadcast the entire ordeal step by step to the international community. This attempt to dirty the Dragon Empire enfuriates me."

[Maelstrom Vortex]

"No they reported the killing of your diplomats after they claimed they attacked their ruler, if someone had attacked Lady Kingswell we would kill them too to protect her. And whilst your record is outstanding that doesn't mean a black ops team couldn't have been sent disguised as a diplomatic team. At this moment we don't know which side is correct and didn't they ask you in for talks?"

"My point is, they affirmed they killed our diplomats. They provided no proof or evidence that our diplomats were armed. We cite a history of non-violent negotiations and absolutely no reason to have any interest in Khmer as the evidence that we have no reason to want to kill their King or even harm their country prior to this event. Our strategic objectives are stability and calm in Asia.. not this madness that Khmer is purely responsible for and which makes them a rogue state. That is our proof."

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Maelstrom Vortex]

"Everybody has been requesting for evidence that Dragon Empire was sending a team of diplomats. I have prepared the following:

- Unconfirmed report of DE attack on Khmer village. International investigation was forbidden.

30 minutes elapse

- Kingdom of Cochin announces that our Empire is sending in a team of diplomats

40 minutes elapse

- Diplomatic mission is confirmed to have landed at Hue Airport

Voice recording of Conversation

- DE is accused of being an assimilating culture-killing machine

- DE diplomats responded and and addressed Pax Pacis

The voice link captured the following:

- Hun Sen: "I've got something to show you ..... HE'S GOT A GUN!!"

- No gunfire from diplomatic team

- Guards rush into room and fire on the ten diplomats

I think it should be obvious that this is a set-up. Nobody in their right mind would attempt an assassination and so rigorously broadcast the entire ordeal step by step to the international community. This attempt to dirty the Dragon Empire enfuriates me."

"Well done again, Landry."

[Subtleknifewielder]

"We did not use fuel air ordinance. We used a very precise military warhead consistent of TNT and aluminum powder that is standard in military munitions and was custom made to its purpose. We did not kill any innocent civilians as every person in the structure we have targeted was a member of government or their facilitator.. meaning a direct part of the apparatus which is responsible for the death of our diplomats." noted the Chairman. "May the world learn that justice is done to those who seek to defy it by hiding behind papers and borders. We understand that Promised Land believes a covert action would have resolved this better, but we assure you it would not have because we are certain Khmer has its own covert defenses."

Are you trying to tell us that a lowly janitor or desk clerk is responsible for the death of your diplomats?

"War will have unfortunate collateral casualties that cannot be avoided. This is one of those instances. Better 1 janitor than a thousand soldiers."

Wrong. Soldiers sign up knowing that if they see action, they may be killed in the process. Civilians have made no such choice.

"War crimes is a term so liberally used. A war crime is committed when you attempt ethnic cleansing, you release a weapon of mass destruction which is indiscriminate and proliferate in its body count such as biological weapons or nuclear weapons, or devices of torture are used. The missile we used was meant for one target, which it destroyed effectively, with minimal collateral body count, and struck directly against the perpetrators of this conflict. That is not a war crime. That is mercy when we could have invaded the whole state. Those who died are those at fault save a few unlucky souls. Justice has been delivered at the tip of a sword."

No, it is a war crime. Deliberately aiming at a target you know contains innocent civilians is also a war crime.

Re: Pax Pacis

"Keep talking like that and we will rescind our peace terms. Your talk is bordering on threats to the empire which fall under the category of additional belligerence. Keep in mind, Pax Pacis, you are part of the reasons our responses have been.. and must be severe."

So you threaten them when they confront you over a matter that shouldn;t have happened at all? is this what your Empire has sunk to? if you do rescind the peace terms over some harsh words, we will feel fully justified in supporting Paxc Pacis agains any attack by you.

Re: Pax Pacis

"The fact you're still siding with Khmer even though they killed our diplomats and tried to frame us for an atrocity. This is between our state and theirs."

You should know better than to harbor the sentiment that "if you're not with us, you're against us." Condemning you is NOT equal to supporting Khmer's actions.

A Vinilandese reporter noted:

"The Khmer deserves very little sympathy and plenty of punishment. Killing diplomats for absolutely no reason is not only a very strong Casus Belli, it is also ridiculously ruthless on the part of the offending party and shows that the nation's government has no regards for respect, diplomacy or value of human life. They should be glad that the Dragon Empire did not reply immediately with a full-force attack."

"We repeat our earlier statement--two wrongs do not a right make."

"The Empire explicitly forbids the arming of diplomats. That would not make them diplomats. The Khmer have admitted to the murder of our diplomats via this press release."

Document provided

"There has never been.. in the history of the Empire.. any diplomat armed or discovered to be armed at any formal affair worldwide. There was no trial. Our people were simply brutally murdered. Much like their allegations that we destroyed their town which they would not permit the world to investigate peacefully, this is another attempt to falsely smear the Empire."

"By killing our diplomats they stepped beyond diplomacy. They have proven negotiations to be literally.. dangerous to our health and well being."

"Then you could have had the negotiations on your ground...or in a neutral location. No possiblity for an ambush by them in those places, and you would have avoided this whole mess."

[sir jesus]

"Then you could have had the negotiations on your ground...or in a neutral location. No possiblity for an ambush by them in those places, and you would have avoided this whole mess."

"I cannot believe you have seriously posed this statement."

[Maelstrom Vortex]

X Glitched browser?

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Are you trying to tell us that a lowly janitor or desk clerk is responsible for the death of your diplomats?

Wrong. Soldiers sign up knowing that if they see action, they may be killed in the process. Civilians have made no such choice.

No, it is a war crime. Deliberately aiming at a target you know contains innocent civilians is also a war crime.

So you threaten them when they confront you over a matter that shouldn;t have happened at all? is this what your Empire has sunk to? if you do rescind the peace terms over some harsh words, we will feel fully justified in supporting Paxc Pacis agains any attack by you.

You should know better than to harbor the sentiment that "if you're not with us, you're against us." Condemning you is NOT equal to supporting Khmer's actions.

"We repeat our earlier statement--two wrongs do not a right make."

"Then you could have had the negotiations on your ground...or in a neutral location. No possiblity for an ambush by them in those places, and you would have avoided this whole mess."

[Classified to Promised Land]

"Promised Land, we have been gracious thus far to ignore the acts of a state which has sponsored under open admission the release of germ warfare in the world at large and.. unexpectedly.. released a very deadly virus which has propagated among the community of Africa. We have countered many of your points previously. I know there's a lot to read among all the official releases, but it is very clear that Khmer started this crisis. It is very clear they killed our diplomats. It is very clear we have the right to strike a government building which is not considered a civilian, but a military/government target as it houses the executive branches of the government. The one life versus a thousand is an already addressed argument and so is the age and gender of the civilians and the fact that civilian casualties though sought to be avoided are sometimes unavoidable in war. The weapon used was a precision munition used on a government facility. If you want to point out the slivers in our eyes we will be forced to point out the rather large mote in your own. This is something we've been trying to do to save you from embarrassment but you are forcing our hand."

"Truth is the life of that one janitor or desk clerk may save thousands of his peers at the front. Few would rescind doing that for their fellow man in mass. It is not a wrong to deliver death to those who deserve it.. while minimizing the loss of lives of those who do not."

Edited July 15, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex

[King Kevz]

"The Kingdom of Cochin does provide a important point there. The events detailed do seem to be structured as a set up however, any details were probally in the government building which is now a pile of rubble so it might be difficult to prove it"