Heracles the Great Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Good luck to both - though this comes as no surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 MADPs are a dangerous treaty at the best of times, and when one of you is in a war and the other not, it is particularly unsuitable. So a good move and I'm sure you'll re-evaluate at the end of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 MADPs are a dangerous treaty at the best of times, and when one of you is in a war and the other not, it is particularly unsuitable. So a good move and I'm sure you'll re-evaluate at the end of the war. I will bet you tech that they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coven Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Best of luck to TORN, sad it had to come to this. *The Phoenix marches on.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternalis Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) i see... is the phoenix still hungry? Edited June 16, 2009 by Aeternalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sadly if you came looking for drama, it isn't to be found. TPF was a great ally for a long time, but we have also drifted apart over time. I do sincerely wish them the best, and hold no ill will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasquirt Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 It's always sad to see two alliances drift apart. Best of luck to the parties involved. Ps. There better not have been any drama behind this decision because I don't think I can take anymore from either TPF or TORN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corrupt Teacher Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If your not willing to honor MADPs above all other treaties and fight them out don't sign them at all. IMO thats why the Harmlin accords and CnG are the only worthwhile MADPs as in my opinion these are the only guys going to bat no matter what for each other otherwise stick to your MDoAP (although often its really a MoDoAP) so good to see the cancellation of a treaty that really wasn't appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) Sadly if you came looking for drama, it isn't to be found. TPF was a great ally for a long time, but we have also drifted apart over time. I do sincerely wish them the best, and hold no ill will. Sadly indeed, considering just how much is sitting just under the surface of this announcement. Right Woody? If your not willing to honor MADPs above all other treaties and fight them out don't sign them at all. IMO thats why the Harmlin accords and CnG are the only worthwhile MADPs as in my opinion these are the only guys going to bat no matter what for each other otherwise stick to your MDoAP (although often its really a MoDoAP) so good to see the cancellation of a treaty that really wasn't appropriate. Excuse me? Did you just indirectly state that all other MADP's, such as ours, are not worth the paper they are signed upon? Edited June 16, 2009 by HeinousOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sadly indeed, considering just how much is sitting just under the surface of this announcement. Right Woody? If you're waiting for some giant drama bomb to surface out of this, you better have a comfy chair and a lot of food and supplies for the wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If you're waiting for some giant drama bomb to surface out of this, you better have a comfy chair and a lot of food and supplies for the wait. I need not wait for it to surface, I am just waiting for it to go off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If your not willing to honor MADPs above all other treaties and fight them out don't sign them at all. IMO thats why the Harmlin accords and CnG are the only worthwhile MADPs as in my opinion these are the only guys going to bat no matter what for each other otherwise stick to your MDoAP (although often its really a MoDoAP) so good to see the cancellation of a treaty that really wasn't appropriate. Harmlins is MDoAP. And umm... SuperFriends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sadly indeed, considering just how much is sitting just under the surface of this announcement. Right Woody? You either know nothing or know everything, so please, enlighten the assembled masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i surge i Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sadly indeed, considering just how much is sitting just under the surface of this announcement. Right Woody? Im pretty sure you should just accept the cancelation as it is and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 It's never a good day when a treaty is canceled. As always, the Initiative stands with its ally. Good luck to both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Good luck TORN and hopefully this clears up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You either know nothing or know everything, so please, enlighten the assembled masses. I am not the proper one to share. Im pretty sure you should just accept the cancelation as it is and leave it at that. Perhaps, but that would be keeping things away from the masses, things that affected all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I am not the proper one to share. I see...but dropping hint bombs all over the thread is proper. Nice logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I see...but dropping hint bombs all over the thread is proper. Nice logic. The hint bombs arent really for you. As far as it being proper, not really a concern of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) o/ TPFSad to see this go but it was necessary To our allies at TPF we got your back Because your support in this mighty treaty cancellation is ever so necessary and...relevant. If you have their back, go help out in the war their fighting in. I'm sure some of their lower nations could use the support. Edited June 16, 2009 by Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sad to see, good luck to TORN and TPF both in hopefully re-upping relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coven Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 i see... is the phoenix still hungry? I could actually use some blueberry pie right now. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathcat Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Sorry to see this.. Best of luck TORN. See you on the other side. /me sends Airikr a bit of Huckleberry Cream Pie.. I snuck it over the border from PC's cupboards oo/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Excuse me? Did you just indirectly state that all other MADP's, such as ours, are not worth the paper they are signed upon? Source Mutual defence of Signatory AlliancesShould any signatory alliance be subject to an act of unwarranted aggression, the other signatory alliances are obligated to provide all reasonable assistance, both military and economic, unless the assaulted signatory alliance is involved in the conflict via other treaties or through the actions of another bloc. Optional AssistanceThe signatory alliances recognize that threats towards any signatory's nations and/or territories under administrative authority is dangerous to the peace of all signatory alliances and as such all signatories reserve the option to assist each other against a common danger. The assisting party will act to meet this common danger in accordance to its charter/constitutional process. Frostbite is a MDoAP, not a MADP. Corrupt's statement did not apply to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 As always, the Initiative stands with its ally. That was amusing for reasons completely unrelated to TSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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