lnik277 Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 we shall not send them terms of peace till they know KARMA will not let them rule CN my conclusion from the ROK forums. we shall w8 till they are in 6th place of top AA then we shall offer them terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffman04 Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 They're gonna surrender once I get done with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) "NPO are not fighting. VE lost score because it is selling infra and building war chests to fight ODN" Edited May 14, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoshawk Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 When the tantrums on NPO are exhausted. A month I suppose. "NPO are not fighting. VE lost score because it is selling infra and building war chests to fight ODN" The more you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steodonn Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I hope never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Your calculator is broken. Which is a cleaner number? Which is easier to read? 21.739130434782608695652173913043 % OR 21% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Tolkien Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Neither. 22%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Which is a cleaner number? Which is easier to read?21.739130434782608695652173913043 % OR 21% 22% would be better rounding, but it's not worth quibbling about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Neither.22%. Pah. What Bzelger said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiss Goodbye Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Realistically I do not expect them to surrender until their loss of lower-level members forces them to make major changes, and not just in terms of accepting whatever Karma does decide to offer as terms. Giving up things permanently like the Revenge doctrine probably are seeming to be too big a blow (in their view) until after they no longer have the lower-tier nations to actually enforce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Realistically I do not expect them to surrender until their loss of lower-level members forces them to make major changes, and not just in terms of accepting whatever Karma does decide to offer as terms. Giving up things permanently like the Revenge doctrine probably are seeming to be too big a blow (in their view) until after they no longer have the lower-tier nations to actually enforce it. I can't see them bending very much until they are crippled. In the past, it's not like they were known for an openness about their faults. It's not going to be an easy pill to swallow when they have to admit their warmongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Which is a cleaner number? Which is easier to read?21.739130434782608695652173913043 % OR 21% I'm pretty sure he added the because the difference was so small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Stranger Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I can't see them bending very much until they are crippled. In the past, it's not like they were known for an openness about their faults. It's not going to be an easy pill to swallow when they have to admit their warmongering. What about Karma's warmongering? I have yet to see any Karma alliance or Archon admit to warmongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Cyrax Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Retaliation != warmongering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 What about Karma's warmongering? I have yet to see any Karma alliance or Archon admit to warmongering. Archon? Warmongering? Just when I thought you stoped saying funny things you make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Stranger Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Retaliation != warmongering Oh blah. You can't seriously tell me those "terms of surrender" were meant to be accepted. IMO, they seemed like the kind of terms that were made up because everyone KNEW the NPO wouldn't accept them - which they did. Giving someone terms you know they will never accept and then denying them their surrender when they accept the terms is, in my opinion, warmongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Archon? Warmongering? Just when I thought you stoped saying funny things you make me laugh. Haha! Sally: "You picked on my two year old brother! Give him back his candy!" Some 32 year old guy: "You're a warmonger!" I'll give you 3 guesses to the identity of the people above and the first two don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Oh blah. You can't seriously tell me those "terms of surrender" were meant to be accepted. IMO, they seemed like the kind of terms that were made up because everyone KNEW the NPO wouldn't accept them - which they did. Giving someone terms you know they will never accept and then denying them their surrender when they accept the terms is, in my opinion, warmongering. How does that even matter the least? NPO started a agressive war. There's nobodies obligation to give them peace. Defending allies is not the same as warmongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I can't see them bending very much until they are crippled. In the past, it's not like they were known for an openness about their faults. It's not going to be an easy pill to swallow when they have to admit their warmongering. Yes, their admittance will be looked upon as something extracted out under extreme torture when it does comes. I'm sure your inner-selves will be content with that genuine admittance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 If NPO do a fan and we don't give them peace until they have fought, however unfair it may seem to all those that have been destroyed by their attacks, karma will have failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Stranger Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 How does that even matter the least? NPO started a agressive war. There's nobodies obligation to give them peace. Defending allies is not the same as warmongering. After reading as much as I could about the war, I have found that Karma was indeed warmongering. I know there is much more to this war than just "retaliation". I see the signatures and posts everywhere. I am not stupid. Retaliation is just the excuse given so Karma can relieve their anger on the NPO and similar alliances. I'd be all for Karma if I didn't have reason to believe that Karma is the next NPO. (Even if it isn't an official alliance.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 If NPO do a fan and we don't give them peace until they have fought, however unfair it may seem to all those that have been destroyed by their attacks, karma will have failed. I don't quite understand your meaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 If NPO do a fan and we don't give them peace until they have fought, however unfair it may seem to all those that have been destroyed by their attacks, karma will have failed. Yes forcing NPO to repay something to all alliances they have stomped and destroyed would be a failure of karma. If they don't want to accept any terms that's their problems. FAN was put in eternal war for supposedly having 30% soldiers on some nations. You don't see any difference here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neneko Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 After reading as much as I could about the war, I have found that Karma was indeed warmongering. I know there is much more to this war than just "retaliation". I see the signatures and posts everywhere. I am not stupid. Retaliation is just the excuse given so Karma can relieve their anger on the NPO and similar alliances.I'd be all for Karma if I didn't have reason to believe that Karma is the next NPO. (Even if it isn't an official alliance.) Seeing your posts on owf I have reason to belive that you actually know next to nothing about this war. I also disagree with two of the things you state in your post. It's up to you to figure out wich two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Stranger Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Yes forcing NPO to repay something to all alliances they have stomped and destroyed would be a failure of karma.If they don't want to accept any terms that's their problems. FAN was put in eternal war for supposedly having 30% soldiers on some nations. You don't see any difference here? Weren't all the terms offered besides one accepted by the NPO? And wasn't it Archon who ended the peace talks? I don't know, maybe my eyes are just lying to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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