People's Republic of China

[Sir Keshav IV]

"As long as the people are happy, I see no problem in that. The integration of different cultures, the varied geographic regions it creates a nation that is not only great in size but in people as well. We aren't against that at all. If one region wants freedom and has a stable government it should be given its freedom. As long as the others are happy, I see no wrong in a huge nation such as that."

[Triyun]

Now you are contradicting yourself. First you say you are against Acca Daccan unity, then you say that you will give people freedom if they want it. Which is it?

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Sir Keshav IV' date='12 May 2010 - 01:53 AM' timestamp='1273643575' post='2295821']
You are really accusing us of genocide? When did we ever systematically destroy a certain ethnic group or race? Coming from Vietnam is rich, I mean after all IT IS US who gave your freedom. Calling us genocidal is wrong. Just plain wrong. We have never ever practiced Genocide neither have we supported. That is something we find disgusting. Maybe you do not know, but we value human life just as much as every other country in this world does. If we did practice genocide, then why is there still a Vietnam? Shouldn't all the people have been dead? Its laughable at least to claim we practiced genocide. Maybe even the Oceania Union, which we hate would support our claim. We never practiced genocide. You can see Borneo. We never transported a certain ethnic group or race to camps and then kill them. We are not mental. We might be rather loud, but we are not mental. Don't accuse us of something you have next no proof of or something we have never practiced.

Now onto allegations on Ethnic Cleansing. This policy hasn't been enforced in a long long time. Australia rather Promised Land understood why we brought that policy into effect. It was disastrous to our nation. We lost almost 60% of our population and our work force was predominantly the elderly. We saw no further reason to have it in effect in China and as such we voided it. Now nearly 30% of our population are immigrants. We have very tight rules for immigration. It is to make sure we don't get the kind of people that practice all the wrong things like thieving etc. We never followed the One China Policy, was never enforced onto Borneo(We gained Borneo about the same time that policy came into effect). For nearly 6-7 years now we have scrapped that policy. We were wrong in even creating a policy such as that.

Vietnam is probably the most funny state we have seen after Lu. Calling me German? You do not know my past, nor my present. No one does, and I keep it that way. Either get some facts about me, and stop throwing around accusations. Your nation might be young, but its sure as hell not foolish.

Allegations on Saigon, We have an airbase in Douala, Africa. Our allies in Novak requested for such a base in SE Asia. We cannot deny our ally a foreign base much like it was not denied in Douala. As such we offered various places and then decided on Saigon. It just so happened that Vietnam wanted Independence after the deal with Novak was completed. It was in complete confidence we gave the land to Novak, as they are:-
1) Allies
2) Respectable Nation
3) They are your allies
We cannot go back on a treaty signed before Vietnam even wanted independence. At least we cannot because, the treaty was signed. I will never go back on my word, neither will China. We promised free elections in Acca Dacca, and your officers are welcomed to see the process going on. The Communist Party has been banned and so has any Socialist movement in Acca Dacca. Right now there is no point hurting this already unstable situation.

Oh and next time before accusing us of genocide, please do it with proper facts. Otherwise we just find it funny.
-President Rorschach
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[url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=57431&view=findpost&p=1775307]One People, One Ethnicity.[/url]

And you have banned the Communist Party? You are hardly a man of the people. Somehow I doubt you care at all about your people, especially considering you're too afraid of them to even let them know where you're from. Until such a time as you tell me where you're from, you're a German, because your name is German, and Chinese people do not have German names. You claim to be the People's Republic of [b]China[/b]. How can you be of China when you expelled the Chinese and 30% of you are not even Chinese? And I doubt your statistics in a large way. There is simply no way that you have 30% of your population being immigrants, especially if you are a) Communist, a type of government that is generally disliked in the world and b) have strict immigration policies.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you're in the country legally, but there is no way that you're Chinese, a culture that was homogenous with a population of over a billion before you showed up. You are a German.

I do not forget my roots. I know from where my people gained their sovereignty, and it is not from you or your politics. Had you not granted it peacefully, there would have been revolution. You would have been forced out of Vietnam, just like you will be forced out of this ridiculous union of 'Acca Dacca'.

[Sargun II]

Just goes to show the racism against the Chinese, that once a man without a stereotypical name like Ching Chang gets noted people harass him because he isn't Asian enough. Talk about discrimination...

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Sargun' date='12 May 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1273711533' post='2296401']
Just goes to show the racism against the Chinese, that once a man without a stereotypical name like Ching Chang gets noted people harass him because he isn't Asian enough. Talk about discrimination...
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Rorschach is not a Chinese name. It means nothing in Chinese, unlike every other Chinese name. If you met a man whose name was [font=sans-serif][size=2]Abu Kareem Muhammad al-Jameel ibn Nidh'aal ibn Abdulaziz aal-Filisteeni, and he told you that his family had always lived in Denmark, would you believe him.[/size][/font]
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[font=sans-serif][size=2]OOC: This argument is ridiculous.[/size][/font]

[Triyun]

[quote name='Sargun' date='13 May 2010 - 01:45 AM' timestamp='1273711533' post='2296401']
Just goes to show the racism against the Chinese, that once a man without a stereotypical name like Ching Chang gets noted people harass him because he isn't Asian enough. Talk about discrimination...
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This just shows your lack of understanding about the Chinese language. We have no phoenetic spelling. There are a limited number of starting and ending sounds. Chinese has among the highest number of homonyms of any language as well as four tones to differentiate. One cannot pronounce or write his name in Chinese.

[Sargun II]

There are African people whose names are unpronounceable in English who name their children Mark. There are Chinese people who name their children Daejanae. It is not too far fetched that one, out of the billions in existence, would name their child Rorschach.

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Sargun' date='12 May 2010 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1273714049' post='2296470']
There are African people whose names are unpronounceable in English who name their children Mark. There are Chinese people who name their children Daejanae. It is not too far fetched that one, out of the billions in existence, would name their child Rorschach.
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Considering that it is not one that can even be pronounced in Chinese, I would say that it is.

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Mergerberger II' date='12 May 2010 - 08:28 PM' timestamp='1273714115' post='2296475']
Considering that it is not one that can even be pronounced in Chinese, I would say that it is.
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It isn't.

[Triyun]

The fact is there simply is no sound remotely resembling that name, and as there is no phoenetic spelling it is simply impossible to write. Please feel free to contact your local Chinese Studies university department if you doubt this is the case.

OOC: Having a romanized alphabet based on sound rather than idea, you can really spell anything in romanized languages even if they are hard to pronounce. Because Chinese is a character language, its simply impossible to write that name in Chinese. Even New York and Washington are impossible to pronounce, whereas Shanghai and Beijing can be somewhat close in English.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Triyun

[Sargun II]

OOC: Just because Keshav, a teenage Indian, doesn't understand the complexities of the Chinese language doesn't mean that you have to rag on him IC for it. This really is one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen on here.

[Acca Dacca]

OOC: Before the argument that "Well he should know more about the country he roleplays" I'd like for all of you to understand that we had a nation of cherokee indians with tanks, cultures that were created for the sake of the roleplayer, and people who can get away with god knows what without a rebellion.

Its up to the RPer what culture he feels like RPing. If his guy was named Joe Smith and he was 97% African I wouldnt care. Its what they want.

[Triyun]

OOC: I'm not advocating fluency, but I think people should do some basic research if they claim to be RPing IRL nations/ cultures. If you aren't going to do the research, claim to RP something else.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Triyun

[Mergerberger II]

OOC: It is an entirely valid IC argument regarding genocide and the oppression of a lot by a few, especially considering RP history. Unless we rewrite RP history, that land is ethnically Chinese until his enormous systematic genocide/ethnic cleansing in which he apparently imported a helluva lot of Indians and executed or got rid of to some foreign country that was never named all of the Han Chinese.

EDIT: Also, as Triyun said, he claims to be RP'ing the "People's Republic of [b]China[/b]". If it was by some other name then it really would not be that big of a problem, but he is RP'ing a Chinese nation (if only in name), and for that reason the leaders should be at least marginally Chinese.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Mergerberger II

[Sargun II]

OOC: It stopped being a valid IC argument once you started nitpicking about names.

My country's name is [b]Carthage[/b], does that mean I have to go back in time and find Carthaginian emperors and resurrect them? Mudd RPs [b]Tahoe[/b] yet he's ruled by a bunch of Scots or Irishmen or somethingorother rather than Nevadans. A name means nothing, neither does geography or anything else. It has never mattered.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Sargun

[Lynneth]

OOC: Stop the argument about his leader's name.
Period. This is ridiculous.

[Il Terra Di Agea]

[quote name='Sargun' date='12 May 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1273716793' post='2296537']
OOC: It stopped being a valid IC argument once you started nitpicking about names.
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OOC: It stopped being a valid argument when people started RPing massive German nations in Africa.

My two cents

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Il Terra Di Agea' date='12 May 2010 - 09:15 PM' timestamp='1273716905' post='2296540']
OOC: It stopped being a valid argument when people started RPing massive German nations in Africa.

My two cents
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OOC: We had a massive German nation in Africa? I remember a tiny italian one (two) that got pwnt, I would be most interested in hearing about this in the OOC thread where your comment belonged

[Sarah Tintagyl]

[quote name='Sargun' date='13 May 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1273716954' post='2296542']
OOC: We had a massive German nation in Africa? I remember a tiny italian one (two) that got pwnt, I would be most interested in hearing about this in the OOC thread where your comment belonged
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OOC: Ranather's one nation I believe...and then there was that one guy, I can't remember his name but he started in Afghanistan, Lavo rolled him for being genocidal or something and then he went to Africa and everyone was German. lol

[Triyun]

OOC: Its called the Boers. Georgraphy I would agree shouldn't matter if you were located in China another another name. I'll bring it up if they use the name, it is perfectly legitimate, especially considering the last 4 Chinese Empires RPed the 4000 years of Chinese civilization and Keshav has stated he's unifying China since it lost unity after I left.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Triyun

[Markus Wilding]

OOC: I believe his name was Arathog...got rolled with Junio and played by Junio rules.

[king of cochin]

OOC: The name of my nation is Kingdom of Cochin. Cochin is a city on the South coast of India. Still that was the name by which I ruled over Xinjiang, Tibet, Kazakhstan, Kyrghyztan and Mongolia for the first 8 months of my RP here. Was I doing something wrong? I do not think so. My nation even then was ruled by a royal family culturally South Indian. I do not even have a story about how a South Indian royal family came to rule over Central Asia.

I am sure the same can be said of many nations that meteorically came and died in CNRP. So all this storm in tea cup that you are raising is nonsensical. It is either a product of simple stupidity or an attempt to raise tensions with some other ulterior motive in hand.

[Triyun]

OOC: Cochin you are missing the point. I think Merger would agree with me that you could have say a Indian nation or whatever anywhere in the world, but don't make an indian nation and call it Sweden or claim to be reuniting Sweden in the same spirit of actual scandinavian based nations. By claiming the historical name of the land, he's claiming to be the successor state of 4000 years of history, if he wants to claim that mantle, he better be able to defend it. Don't claim it if you can't defend it, call yourself something else or people have every right to say something IC. Anyone who knows Chinese history knows this is an incredibly important element of the entire identity of what is China.

[Sarah Tintagyl]

OOC: For the sake of this thread could you guys take it to the OOC thread.

[Sir Keshav IV]

OOC: I go to sleep and this is what happens.

IC: "Mind you we have said that policy has been rescinded a lot over here already. Are you well to dense to read?"

"Yes, Acca Dacca is a union of various cultures. If one wishes to be free, and it is a stable government then we will give it freedom. Till then we will work to unify Acca Dacca the way it was before. That is what we mean. Its not really a contradiction from our point of view. Its more like working for unity, but someone wants out give it to them. No point fighting over it."

OOC: I haven't RP'ed genocide or ethnic cleansing. That policy was rescinded. I haven't RP'ed ethnic cleansing or genocide and neither have I imported a hell of lot of Indians. So I don't see any point on arguing that. Please prove to me where I have done such a thing( Apart from an announced policy ). kthanxbai

Edited May 13, 2010 by Sir Keshav IV