Denial Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 You're not calling them out on their hypocrisy, you are making fun people who use peace mode as a tactic. That's what the NPO does. And now, if your alliance ever gets in a war and has any nations go into peace mode it will be perfectly acceptable to ridicule you as well, and call you out on your hypocrisy. It's a vicious circle. The Pacifican peace corps is clearly no longer a war tactic, but a method of preventing the core of the Pacifican war machine from facing the consequences of its actions, while Pacifica's lower ranks and allies face the full brunt of retribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfeel Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Yes, why not make a poll about it and get everyone to vote and then we can use that as unquestionable proof. Either that or a magic 8-ball. I'd rather wait for the terms... Maybe then we can see Karma is just a group of alliances wanting to knock the top dog off or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Maybe then we can see Karma is just a group of alliances wanting to knock the top dog off or something else. You seem to be forgetting how this war actually started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFighter Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 The Pacifican peace corps is clearly no longer a war tactic, but a method of preventing the core of the Pacifican war machine from facing the consequences of its actions, while Pacifica's lower ranks and allies face the full brunt of retribution. I'm sure they don't mind that the people who canceled on them are getting beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I'd rather wait for the terms... Maybe then we can see Karma is just a group of alliances wanting to knock the top dog off or something else. Oh, so now you are going to wait for the terms rather than preach about what you think they will be and scream about what will never happen. That is a start, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingDingaLing Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I'd rather wait for the terms... Maybe then we can see Karma is just a group of alliances wanting to knock the top dog off or something else. How? If Karma is " what goes around comes around" then any punishment handed to NPO that is harsh, is only of their own doing. Now if Karma was what goes around comes around and slaps you on the wrist, I could see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I'm sure they don't mind that the people who canceled on them are getting beat. True. They should, however, care about those that did not cancel on them, and care that they are sending their lower-ranks out to the slaughter whilst their large nations kick back and watch from peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrophis Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 From an alliance that size, I would expect a counter strike to a just a little bit bigger. FAN did bigger than that all by its lonesome during VietFAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Soviet Attack Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Everyone whining about Karma's hypocrisy would do well to remind themselves what the point of this war is. What goes around, comes around. It's not really punishment if the majority of those at fault sit in peace mode while their meatshields take the hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfeel Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Masking hypocrisy under some absurd idea is good propaganda, but don't fool yourselves as well in the process. This is revenge, this is greed, and most of all this is opportunism. CN works like this, and NPO made a bad decision they are paying for but claiming the moral high ground by saying that you are executioner of "Karma" is ridiculous. And Tyga, i'll be preaching while they come. Edited May 2, 2009 by Israfeel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Masking hypocrisy under some absurd idea is good propaganda, but don't fool yourselves as well in the process. This is revenge, this is greed, and most of all this is opportunism. While I understand your loyalty, you should leave the Francoism discussion to Vladimir. CN works like this, and NPO made a bad decision they are paying for but claiming the moral high ground by saying that you are executioner of "Karma" is ridiculous. Who said they were executioner of Karma? It is a title. And Tyga, i'll be preaching while they come. What does that even mean? Edited May 2, 2009 by Tygaland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Oh, so you asked them all for their reasons for posting whatever it is they posted? Or you just leapt to a conclusion and ran with it?You said a couple of times in your original post that Karma was just the same as the NPO. If a few people taking the piss out of the NPO people that punished and ridiculed people in peace mode in previous wars for doing the same thing they demonised is the biggest complaint you have then you really have nothing to complain about at all. And I cannot take your indignance seriously while you continue to carry a sig pic that was from an article that was calling out the NPO about peace mode. I leapt to the conclusion, just like you leapt to the conclusion that they're all taking the piss and pointing out the NPO hypocrisy. I'd suggest that neither us is going to be convinced on this, only time will tell whether what we're seeing is just war-time taunting or whether it's the start of a move towards punishing alliances for using peace mode. I will remove the signature even though I feel you have fundamentally missed it's point: it is not 'calling them out' about using peace mode or ridiculing the actual use of peace mode: it is about revelling in the hypocrisy of Bakunin's statement. Nevertheless, it is gone, hopefully we can concentrate on my actual posts now Edited May 2, 2009 by Aimee Mann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 VE did not expect that. Over 100k NS loss in one night is just.. a lot. Given the odds. You've inserted your opinion into this thread. You do not no what you're talking about, but I'm glad you've exercised your right to have an opinion. And to all of those who are whining about the alliances fighting under the banner of "Karma" that are no different than NPO, I say to you - Look at the big picture! This war is not over and it'll get uglier the longer it goes. I may not be correct when I say this, but I always thought the word "Karma" inferred the idea of "What goes around, comes around." NPO tried to bully OV. They were called to the mat and now must deal with the repercussions of their bullish behavior. Also - In Moo's declaration of war against Ordo Verde he stated: ...May Admin have mercy on your soul, for we shall have none. http://forums.cybernations.net/index...howtopic=54735 Moo addressing the nations of Karma: My Admin have mercy on their souls, for we shall have none. http://forums.cybernations.net/index...howtopic=54872 If the nations fighting NPO are fortunate to win this war and you think "white peace" is the proper sentence for NPO, you have no understanding of the situation. Look at Moo's statements! I do not speak for my alliance or any other alliance fighting for "Karma", but the punishment needs to fit the crime. To let NPO walk away with a "white peace" after starting all of this mess would be a blunder of massive proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shafer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Masking hypocrisy under some absurd idea is good propaganda, but don't fool yourselves as well in the process. This is revenge, this is greed, and most of all this is opportunism. CN works like this, and NPO made a bad decision they are paying for but claiming the moral high ground by saying that you are executioner of "Karma" is ridiculous. And Tyga, i'll be preaching while they come. I'm sorry but NPO has caused all this on themselves. They never forget past transgressions why should any of the alliances that compose Karma? NPO claimed that GWIII was retribution for GWI, that's almost a year of preparation for a war that destroyed all opposition to the Initiative. NPO has since been worse than ever, they had more sway over the Continuum than they did over the Initiative. Karma has every right to give NPO harsh terms. Hell I think they gave NATO terms that were too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I leapt to the conclusion, just like you leapt to the conclusion that they're all taking the piss and pointing out the NPO hypocrisy. I'd suggest that neither us is going to be convinced on this, only time will tell whether what we're seeing is just war-time taunting or whether it's the start of a move towards punishing alliances for using peace mode. True, but I'm not the one moralising about it. I will remove the signature even though I feel you have fundamentally missed it's point: it is not 'calling them out' about using peace mode or ridiculing the actual use of peace mode: it is about revelling the hypocrisy of Bakunin's statement. Nevertheless, it is gone, hopefully we can concentrate on my actual posts now I was concentrating on your posts, I believe I addressed them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 If the nations fighting NPO are fortunate to win this war and you think "white peace" is the proper sentence for NPO, you have no understanding of the situation. Look at Moo's statements! I do not speak for my alliance or any other alliance fighting for "Karma", but the punishment needs to fit the crime. To let NPO walk away with a "white peace" after starting all of this mess would be a blunder of massive proportions. Where has anyone said that NPO should have white peace? They need to be punished, but by using the same methods that NPO did to their victims you are destroying any moral high-ground in one move, and any chance that we could have a better world at the end of this will be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I leapt to the conclusion, just like you leapt to the conclusion that they're all taking the piss and pointing out the NPO hypocrisy. I'd suggest that neither us is going to be convinced on this, only time will tell whether what we're seeing is just war-time taunting or whether it's the start of a move towards punishing alliances for using peace mode.I will remove the signature even though I feel you have fundamentally missed it's point: it is not 'calling them out' about using peace mode or ridiculing the actual use of peace mode: it is about revelling the hypocrisy of Bakunin's statement. Nevertheless, it is gone, hopefully we can concentrate on my actual posts now I don't believe tyga leapt to any conclusion, he seems to be making a very well informed conclusion based on past experience with NPO and co, as well as the now karma side. If it's the start of a move towards punishing alliances for using peace, I think none of the karma alliances would be using peace mode as tactics. Look at gremlins or MK or any other alliance, they're using it. Thus, you can conclude that they're not against using peace mode, since these alliances and others such as STA have used peace mode in the past war and are still using it this war. While keeping all these facts in hand, then remembering how NPO put nations on PZI for being in peace mode during a war, you'd be hardpressed to find any other conclusion then the pointing out of hypocrisy when speaking of NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Where has anyone said that NPO should have white peace? They need to be punished, but by using the same methods that NPO did to their victims you are destroying any moral high-ground in one move, and any chance that we could have a better world at the end of this will be gone. Karma is putting all NPO peace mode nations on PZI? I wasn't aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Anyone above 20k NS should be able to give out aid. Staying in peace mode for the purposes of giving out aid is probably the worst reason I've ever seen. Many of those people probably have many hundreds of millions and staying in war/peace mode won't change their ability to aid one lick. Try having access to CN about only once or twice a week. Not everyone in peace mode is a coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Karma is putting all NPO peace mode nations on PZI? I wasn't aware. I did not say that. I've said that this anti-peace mode rhetoric is a pre-cursor to punishing the use of peace mode in terms. Only time will tell whether this is true, but it's a concern for me at this point and thus, I'm expressing it. Also, you seem to be suggesting that anything short of PZI is fine and dandy, just by virtue of it not being as bad as PZI. That's ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I think most people on the Karma side ... have been curbstomped at least once before Wait what? I must have missed when the following alliances got curbstomped. Ordo VerdeThe Global Order Of DarknessRagnarokRnR Monos ArcheinRandom Insanity AllianceInternational Protection AgencyAscended Republic of Elite States ApocalypseThe Order of HalsaVanguardThe International Majestic Order of Orange NationsOrionFOKiFOK IunctusSeaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes1 Touch FootballUmbrella GrämlinsFifth Column ConfederationThe Order of the ParadoxThe Aquatic Brotherhood The Centurion BrotherhoodRepublic of Allied DefensesImperial KnightsAssassin Order Amazon NationThe Templar KnightsCoalition of Royal Allied Powers57th Overlanders Coalition of Independent NationsLeague of Extraordinary NationsOTF AllianceOrder of the Black Rose BlackwaterSpartaThe Dark TemplarDark Evolution NemesisLeague of Small SuperpowersFederation of BuccaneersAlpha Omega The ImmortalsThe Shadow ConfederacyCentral Defense CorpsDeck of International Card Experts AvalancheGlobal United NationsPoison ClanFOUND The German EmpireChristian Coalition of CountriesThe Oceanic AllianceKronos ArgentBig Top OrderMighty Armed States of HonorThe Syndicate Internet SuperheroesThe Forsaken OnesWhite TreeLeague of United Defense Union of Communist RepublicsBlackhorseTuatha De DanannThe Federation =Western Empire=Mostly Harmless AllianceAmaranthThe Brigade Another AllianceIngSocRoyal Order of Confederate KingdomsNew Sith Order SSXAlliance of Powerful PenguinzAquatic Coalition FrontOrder of the Crown and Dagger The Sweet OblivionThe Galactic RepublicThe Imperium of ManThe Ravyns ItovaNOVA Well maybe I missed one or two in there. That's a whole lotta alliances. But most alliances? C'mon. I even removed alliances like WAPA that got curbstomped by people on your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 If it's the start of a move towards punishing alliances for using peace, I think none of the karma alliances would be using peace mode as tactics. Look at gremlins or MK or any other alliance, they're using it. Thus, you can conclude that they're not against using peace mode, since these alliances and others such as STA have used peace mode in the past war and are still using it this war. Are you kidding? As the likely victors they can use peace mode as they wish because they are currently in no danger of having to accept terms at the end of this. I agree with the rest of your post, and certainly do not discount Tyga's opinions out of hand. We just disagree here, is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Wait what?I must have missed when the following alliances got curbstomped. Well maybe I missed one or two in there. That's a whole lotta alliances. But most alliances? C'mon. I even removed alliances like WAPA that got curbstomped by people on your side. Well, you'd have a point, if I said alliances. I said people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 True. They should, however, care about those that did not cancel on them, and care that they are sending their lower-ranks out to the slaughter whilst their large nations kick back and watch from peace mode. Your concern for my alliance is touching, but I think you should let the NPO's allies decide for ourselves what we think of Pacifica's war strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Your concern for my alliance is touching, but I think you should let the NPO's allies decide for ourselves what we think of Pacifica's war strategy. You surrendered so I'm sure he wasn't talking about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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