suryanto tan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Here is the statistic that might be relevant to the war. The first table shows the number of war fought by a non-peace mode nation in the alliance, on average. The second table shows the percentage of nation placed in peace mode. Comments On the first category, Echelon fought the hardest, with each members fighting 3.74 enemies, on average. It is followed by Poison Clan (expected! DIE HARD alliance), Molon Labe, BAPS, FEAR, TPF, GGA, GOD, NEW, and RnR. On the bottom of the list are TTK, Sparta, MASH, MHA, TOP, ODN, RIA, NADC, NV, and WAPA. These alliances fought a relatively easy war. They are likely to come out of war relatively unharmed. Second category is the interesting part. Here we see that, even though Umbrella has a lot of nations placed in peace mode, they fought the war quite agressively (each against 2.46 nations on average). So the peace mode thing is likely part of the war strategy rather than trying to limit the involvement and avoid the damage. The same goes for the rest of the top ten alliance in this list, except the following: Greenland Republic has about 50% of her nations placed in peace mode. At the same time, it is ranked 27th on the first category; It only fought 1.84 enemies, on average. This is odd, considering that they declared on a lot of alliances at once. The Dark Evolution placed a lot of its nation in peace mode even though on average their nation only fight against 1.07 enemy nation. I do not understand why it is necessary. Seeing that on average 1 nation in TDE only fight against 1 enemy nation, it is unlikely the enemy have enough nation to hit TDE anyway, even though if they were in war mode. Sparta situation is similar to TDE situation. Even the nations that they put in war mode cannot have enough war. But yet, they put quite a significant amount of nations in peace mode. No Alliance avg. war per non peace mode nation 1 Echelon 3.74 2 Poison Clan 3.42 3 Molon Labe 3.37 4 Boards Alliance Of Protectorate States 2.86 5 Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics 2.73 6 The Phoenix Federation 2.68 7 Grand Global Alliance 2.67 8 Global Order Of Darkness 2.64 9 Nusantara Elite Warriors 2.59 10 RnR 2.59 11 Umbrella 2.46 12 Christian Coalition Of Countries 2.46 13 New Pacific Order 2.42 14 The German Empire 2.39 15 The Foreign Division 2.36 16 Mushroom Kingdom 2.36 17 Invicta 2.29 18 Athens 2.23 19 The Grämlins 2.14 20 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 2.09 21 Viridian Entente 1.99 22 FOK 1.95 23 Ragnarok 1.92 24 Old Guard 1.91 25 NATO 1.88 26 Valhalla 1.83 27 Greenland Republic 1.82 28 The International 1.79 29 Global Democratic Alliance 1.78 30 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 1.74 31 Vanguard 1.68 32 The Legion 1.62 33 Carpe Diem 1.57 34 Fark 1.48 35 LoSS 1.47 36 Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations 1.47 37 United Purple Nations 1.44 38 The Order Of Light 1.39 39 Finnish Cooperation Organization 1.24 40 The Dark Evolution 1.07 41 We Are Perth Army 0.98 42 Nueva Vida 0.95 43 North Atlantic Defense Coalition 0.95 44 Random Insanity Alliance 0.94 45 Orange Defense Network 0.88 46 The Order Of The Paradox 0.88 47 Mostly Harmless Alliance 0.70 48 M*A*S*H 0.66 49 Sparta 0.65 50 The Templar Knights 0.53 No Alliance % peace mode 1 Umbrella 53.16% 2 Greenland Republic 52.91% 3 The Dark Evolution 45.74% 4 Mushroom Kingdom 36.77% 5 Echelon 35.20% 6 Nusantara Elite Warriors 31.47% 7 FOK 30.23% 8 Vanguard 29.55% 9 The Phoenix Federation 27.51% 10 Sparta 27.13% 11 The Grämlins 24.04% 12 Old Guard 21.43% 13 New Sith Order 21.38% 14 Molon Labe 20.83% 15 Global Democratic Alliance 20.76% 16 New Polar Order 20.16% 17 Athens 17.86% 18 The Foreign Division 17.19% 19 Carpe Diem 16.35% 20 The Legion 16.32% 21 New Pacific Order 15.44% 22 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 14.93% 23 The Order Of The Paradox 14.85% 24 The Sweet Oblivion 14.04% 25 North Atlantic Defense Coalition 13.77% 26 Random Insanity Alliance 13.41% 27 Poison Clan 13.33% 28 RnR 12.65% 29 The German Empire 12.60% 30 Boards Alliance Of Protectorate States 12.07% 31 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 11.90% 32 Finnish Cooperation Organization 11.76% 33 The Order Of Light 11.75% 34 LoSS 11.05% 35 Viridian Entente 10.97% 36 We Are Perth Army 10.79% 37 Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics 10.78% 38 United Purple Nations 10.00% 39 The International 9.80% 40 Orange Defense Network 9.48% 41 Fark 9.32% 42 Mostly Harmless Alliance 9.16% 43 Siberian Tiger Alliance 9.05% 44 NATO 8.37% 45 Nueva Vida 8.29% 46 Christian Coalition Of Countries 7.78% 47 Grand Global Alliance 7.36% 48 Invicta 7.14% 49 Valhalla 6.78% 50 Global Order Of Darkness 6.59% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatownbus Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Here is the statistic that might be relevant to the war.The first table shows the number of war fought by a non-peace mode nation in the alliance, on average. The second table shows the percentage of nation placed in peace mode. Comments On the first category, Echelon fought the hardest, with each members fighting 3.74 enemies, on average. It is followed by Poison Clan (expected! DIE HARD alliance), Molon Labe, BAPS, FEAR, TPF, GGA, GOD, NEW, and RnR. On the bottom of the list are TTK, Sparta, MASH, MHA, TOP, ODN, RIA, NADC, NV, and WAPA. These alliances fought a relatively easy war. They are likely to come out of war relatively unharmed. Second category is the interesting part. Here we see that, even though Umbrella has a lot of nations placed in peace mode, they fought the war quite agressively (each against 2.46 nations on average). So the peace mode thing is likely part of the war strategy rather than trying to limit the involvement and avoid the damage. The same goes for the rest of the top ten alliance in this list, except the following: Greenland Republic has about 50% of her nations placed in peace mode. At the same time, it is ranked 27th on the first category; It only fought 1.84 enemies, on average. This is odd, considering that they declared on a lot of alliances at once. The Dark Evolution placed a lot of its nation in peace mode even though on average their nation only fight against 1.07 enemy nation. I do not understand why it is necessary. Seeing that on average 1 nation in TDE only fight against 1 enemy nation, it is unlikely the enemy have enough nation to hit TDE anyway, even though if they were in war mode. Sparta situation is similar to TDE situation. Even the nations that they put in war mode cannot have enough war. But yet, they put quite a significant amount of nations in peace mode. A lot of this also has to do with politics, with some big alliances taking on small alliances, leading to less targets. Echelon declared war on everyone. Poison Clan is being engaged by multiple alliances. This opens up the opportunity to take on more war slots per nation. That has to be considered too when looking at these statistics, rather than just assuming the most wars per nation are the most hardcore - there are political realities at play here as well. I'm sure some alliances would love nothing more than to engage everyone, but their treaties don't allow them to. Edited April 27, 2009 by Chinatownbus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Awesome stats; thanks alot. )): GR )): Edited April 27, 2009 by Rajistani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) interesting idea, though it's funny to see everyone using peace mode as a tactic and finally stop whining about it. Edited April 27, 2009 by Mogar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sparta is really fighting a easy war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Faith Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Interesting stats, thank you for doing this ! As for The Dark Evolution we were expecting a much harder fight and left a lot of nations in peace mode as strategy. They are just starting to come out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I see no Nemesis. Therefore all your findings are void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 This thread lacks Nemesis which should be at about 2.9 for the first category, and about 10% for the second based on a quick calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virillus Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Oooooh yeah;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiawatha Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Only 10% in peace mode, and 2 wars per nation otherwise? But of course. Viridia Prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayzie Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Is this only for alliances over a certain size, if so what members/NS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suryanto tan Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) A lot of this also has to do with politics, with some big alliances taking on small alliances, leading to less targets. Echelon declared war on everyone. Poison Clan is being engaged by multiple alliances. This opens up the opportunity to take on more war slots per nation.That has to be considered too when looking at these statistics, rather than just assuming the most wars per nation are the most hardcore - there are political realities at play here as well. I'm sure some alliances would love nothing more than to engage everyone, but their treaties don't allow them to. I think you missed the point. Poison Clan ranked second in average number of active war per nation. Whether it is because you are bandwagoning or has a legal binding treaty has very little to do with what I was trying to convey. I merely trying to point out that some alliance fight less nations while some alliance fight more, as a result those fight less will likely to come out of war relatively unharmed. But I might not understand your post properly, Chinatownbus. Which part on the OP did I say the most wars per nation are the most hardcore? I perhaps can answer better if you care to address the specific part on the OP by highlighting it.. Please note that I do not say nor imply that the alliance with less war per nations shows that they do not go to war in support of the Karma or Hegemony side full heartedly. Though combining those two stats, one cannot help but puzzled. For example, GR declared on many alliances, it is unlikely they will have not enough target to hit. About the sparta and TDE, I was saying that why you need them in peace mode, if your war mode nation is almost not even touched? I see no Nemesis. Therefore all your findings are void. Sorry about that. Guess my data weren't up to date. I was collecting only 50 top one, and added some random ten alliances, that in my poor judgement, are significant. I am here not to provide the data and am unlikely able to update the table. Anyone who think this is useful, and want to do the update are more then welcome to do so. Is this only for alliances over a certain size, if so what members/NS? Top 50 alliances plus: The Foreign Division Athens Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics Finnish Cooperation Organization The German Empire Molon Labe Old Guard Carpe Diem Boards Alliance Of Protectorate States Christian Coalition Of Countries Sorry about my random picks for the additional ten alliances. Edited April 27, 2009 by suryanto tan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodemofi-NPO Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I think you missed the point. Poison Clan ranked second in average number of active war per nation. Whether it is because you are bandwagoning or has a legal binding treaty has very little to do with what I was trying to convey. I merely trying to point out that some alliance fight less nations while some alliance fight more, as a result those fight less will likely to come out of war relatively unharmed. But I might not understand your post properly, Chinatownbus. Which part on the OP did I say the most wars per nation are the most hardcore? I perhaps can answer better if you care to address the specific part on the OP by highlighting it.. Please note that I do not say nor imply that the alliance with less war per nations shows that they do not go to war in support of the Karma or Hegemony side full heartedly. Though combining those two stats, one cannot help but puzzled. For example, GR declared on many alliances, it is unlikely they will have not enough target to hit. About the sparta and TDE, I was saying that why you need them in peace mode, if your war mode nation is almost not even touched? Sorry about that. Guess my data weren't up to date. I was collecting only 50 top one, and added some random ten alliances, that in my poor judgement, are significant. I am here not to provide the data and am unlikely able to update the table. Anyone who think this is useful, and want to do the update are more then welcome to do so. His point is that your data fails to address the differenet realities for different alliances. Whereas some have the oppurtunity to war with many alliances, others are at war with alliances smaller than their own, or in different strength ranges. He's saying that should be taken into consideration when reading the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suryanto tan Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) His point is that your data fails to address the differenet realities for different alliances. Whereas some have the oppurtunity to war with many alliances, others are at war with alliances smaller than their own, or in different strength ranges. He's saying that should be taken into consideration when reading the OP. I see. I thought he was pointing out to some specific assumption I made in the OP. My bad. Now I read CTB comment again, exactly that. I merely pointing out, some alliance fight a lot of wars, and some only fight a hand of. I do not even offer compliment to those alliances that fight more war. I simply say, they, as shown by those data, fight hard against more nations. Edited April 27, 2009 by suryanto tan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian LaCroix Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 You forgot us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar833 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Lol the dark evolution shows more failure? Not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Good to see that FEAR is so cool. We never called us a killer military alliance, but we can fight hard if needed. Also thanks to ODN for like 150 declarations on us We go for 3 wars/member! Come on ODN and help us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Glad to see Invicta on the highs and lows in all the right places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushi Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 We arent first o.O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrono Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 What was that about Echelon's DoW being fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth_Cole Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sparta will play its role and take its hits before this war is done, don't worry about that. :jihad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 We're number 8, yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 We currently have 4.3 wars per non-peace mode nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 w00t! Go FEAR! ODN will be okay but the ODN nations attacking us are sure feeling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thread is lacking Kronos therefore is fail. Would read again if you added Kronos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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