Alterego Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) I have been buying tech for about a year and was a seller before that. In recent times I have noticed a serious decline in the standard of tech sellers. The sharp rise in tech fraud and tech sellers being weeks and even months late seem to have skyrocketed. This trend seems to be escalating and more widespread than anything i've seen in my time on Bob. Ordinarily I and others would just write off the odd $3m tech deal gone bad, but the apparently large scale of the fraud and regularity of extremely long waiting periods has prompted me to ask the world what can be done. Is it time for alliances who open their doors to these people also be responsible for their tech dealing the same way they are responsible for illegal tech raiding or should we just continue to grin and bear it? Edited March 14, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagetheSecond Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I've noticed it as well. I have started giving general outlines and directions for dealing tech when I send the aid, however, the problems still persist. It's a matter of the new nations not really caring about the deal. If that does not change, then the plague of crappy tech deals will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler kaiser Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 as a tech dealer i make it a commitment of mine to get the tech to the buyer on time. shame on you to all the tech dealers that don't put up to there part of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 The basic problem is that most of the reliable tech sellers from times before have now successfully grown our nations and are now tech buyers. However, I haven't noticed much of a difference in the reliability overall of our newbies, which is where Invicta gets most of its tech. It's the same mix of good and bad that it's been for a long while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfEmpty Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I blame Citi. Seriously tech is under-priced. Offer 3 million/50 and watch how dependable it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintenderek Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I blame Citi.Seriously tech is under-priced. Offer 3 million/50 and watch how dependable it is. Either you mean over priced, or you mean 3mil/150. 3mil per 50 tech is lowering the price of tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurney Halleck Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Either you mean over priced, or you mean 3mil/150. 3mil per 50 tech is lowering the price of tech. If in a normal tech deal goes 3 million/100tech, and he starts selling it at 3m for 50 tech, the tech seller has raised his prices for tech. He thinks that with standard deal, the tech sell point is too low or underpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOvfEnnay Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) You can thank me for part of that. I think you're ignoring the larger part of tech fraud: People on some sort of ZI or EZI who know that they will NEVER recieve peace stopped laying down and realized "Oh hey, if I'm not going to get peace, I really can do anything within the boundaries of ingame!". [OOC]If you try to mug me, and on a rock next to me there's a gun, am I supposed to ignore that because guns are immoral? You might, but sure as hell I wouldn't.[OOC] I'm just saying, if there are other options at hand and the enemy has the size advantage, I really don't give a flying **** if the guy that's trying to subject me eternal warfare to the point where I leave the game thinks it's immoral. I really don't care. Of the few standards I have one is that I only steal money from those I am at war with and it's allies, excluding those I have more than a drop of respect for. I use it as a method of warfare that is effective enough to make NPO whine to me privately and about me publicly. I endorse it and I condone it for anyone getting stepped on. Edited March 16, 2009 by JayOvfEnnay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite Narwhal Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 http://z15.invisionfree.com/Techdeals/inde...p?showtopic=708 Here is a waiting list full of sellers at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfEmpty Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) Yes, I meant underpriced. Thaks for the correction and catching my poor typery. Lemme try this again: Seriously tech is under-priced. Offer 3 million/50 and watch how dependable it is. Yep. 3mil per 50 tech is lowering the price of tech. Okey doke Edited March 16, 2009 by HalfEmpty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I have been buying tech for about a year and was a seller before that. In recent times I have noticed a serious decline in the standard of tech sellers. The sharp rise in tech fraud and tech sellers being weeks and even months late seem to have skyrocketed. This trend seems to be escalating and more widespread than anything i've seen in my time on Bob. Ordinarily I and others would just write off the odd $3m tech deal gone bad, but the apparently large scale of the fraud and regularity of extremely long waiting periods has prompted me to ask the world what can be done. Is it time for alliances who open their doors to these people also be responsible for their tech dealing the same way they are responsible for illegal tech raiding or should we just continue to grin and bear it? Why don't you cry to your beloved hegemony for justice? They're the ones that are forcing some of us to pull the ol' Robin Hood routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StalinsRevenge Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 The reason so many are getting away with fraud is because alliance don't want to deal with it as much as they used to, heck I was flat out blamed for 3mil being stolen when gov set me up with the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalC Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) Well, I'm just starting to buy tech and I haven't encountered any cheap scammers yet, but I do know of a couple newbies who are very unreliable in their tech selling ethics. When I sold tech, I ALWAYS made sure I was on time. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS. And if I couldn't be on time, I messaged my buyers in ADVANCE. Perhaps I deserve a pat on the back for my tech selling honesty Edited March 16, 2009 by capitalC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilzey Land Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I have been buying tech for months now, and I have yet to encounter a serious problem with a dealer, the worst that has happened is tech was 1 day late, and even then that has only happened once or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadrin Failing Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I don't know about other alliances, but I consider it a diplomatic issue if a WAPA member skips out on a tech deal. When we're made aware of an issue, we treat it with as much weight as though one of ours went on a rogue attack. I know that Farkistan also fully backs tech deals done with their alliance members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I have been buying tech for about a year and was a seller before that. In recent times I have noticed a serious decline in the standard of tech sellers. The sharp rise in tech fraud and tech sellers being weeks and even months late seem to have skyrocketed. This trend seems to be escalating and more widespread than anything i've seen in my time on Bob. Ordinarily I and others would just write off the odd $3m tech deal gone bad, but the apparently large scale of the fraud and regularity of extremely long waiting periods has prompted me to ask the world what can be done. Is it time for alliances who open their doors to these people also be responsible for their tech dealing the same way they are responsible for illegal tech raiding or should we just continue to grin and bear it? I am unsure that you're correct about your assessment over the Sellers' quality: I haven't experienced any decline (though I must admit that I buy Tech from the MHA only, and I reason about the Sellers before choosing one). If a MHA Seller is failing you and you're not in the MHA, please inform us: we will quickly rectify any wrong (and we will explain to our Seller that s/he ought sell his/her Tech to other Hitchhikers, not to you... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am unsure that you're correct about your assessment over the Sellers' quality: I haven't experienced any decline (though I must admit that I buy Tech from the MHA only, and I reason about the Sellers before choosing one). Perhaps I have just become acutely aware never having had any issues in the past. I have had a couple of issues in the past couple of months as have other members of our alliance. This has made me aware of the issue in general and coupled with multiple posts about tech fraud on the OWF and random nations sending me suspect PM's it appeared to be fairly widespread. It could just be a mix of a changed perception and a bit of bad luck. If a MHA Seller is failing you and you're not in the MHA, please inform us: we will quickly rectify any wrong (and we will explain to our Seller that s/he ought sell his/her Tech to other Hitchhikers, not to you... ) No issues with MHA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I've not noticed any difference really. I had issues with tech dealers way back when I started buying in 2007 and I haven't had any serious ones for a long time, apart from one IMD seller who went rogue (the alliance covered the tech, which I was very impressed by). There will be some people who are deliberately scamming money – anyone on PZI is entirely justified in doing this if they can get away with it, it's the collateral damage you take for PZI-listing intelligent nations. I know FAN have taken some money this way and I imagine Vox too. You just need to watch out for those; I would expect someone with your political knowledge wouldn't get sucked into one of those anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeto Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't see why someone would commit fraud as a tech seller. Because a) if you're selling tech you're in no position to fully defend yourself in the face of a few hotheads and B) in the long run you're going to make a lot if you come out as a respectable and committed tech seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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