ArgonV Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Wait wait, how is +8$ better than +4hap. You mean Environment affects happiness by percentage? (not sure what you mean with this one) Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 when GRL is high or your suffer other env penalties, your happiness is reduced on a percentage. This means, in such times, +4happ are reduced to +3.88 or +3.75 or whatever. But +$8 stay +$8 all the time. If you have full income modifiers: +4 hap * 4.15 = +$16.6 gross income +$8 inc * 2.075 = +$16.6 gross income but if happiness is reduced (and since there is always GRL, it is always reduced a slight bit): +3.88 hap * 4.15 = +$16.1 gross income +3.75 hap * 4.15 = +$15.6 gross income and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) SM costs just as much as that and still offers more cash. Edited May 23, 2008 by uaciaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygy Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 last time I checked SM was at 30M vs MiningCorp 25M. For small nations using 4 of these resources, I am not sure if the SM would provide 5M additional income within the next 30days compared to the MiningCorp, so buying the MiningCorp first could be a clever decision for these nations because they could actually pump 5M more into more infra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hmm due to my poor infra I can only buy the Agriculture Development Program, which I can't see me doing for many many more wonder slots yet since I'm only on #4. Shame I have the tech + land for the rest just no where near the infra needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephriam Grey Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I believe enviroment is the only thing that effects happiness by a percentage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayton Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Based on what I see from these new wonders. Nothing is worth buying until after your original wonders are finished first. I am glad new wonders came out to begin with but with the previous evironment change, i will still need to buy the NEO for myself to cancel out the coal uranium oil resources plus the environment level for me. I will be buying NEO next just as I had planned :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiss2783 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) So, if you apend $150 million on the WRC, military costs more??? That makes no sense. EDIT- spelling Edited May 23, 2008 by kswiss2783 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryptamine Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 So, if you apend $150 million on the WRC, military costs more??? That makes no sense.EDIT- spelling More advanced weaponry costs more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth_Cole Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I would just like to take this opportunity to thank my lucky stars that there are people like (DAC)Syzygy around to help me understand the complexities of this game. Seriously DAC, admin needs to hire you to work on this game. You've opened up an entirely new realm of complexity to this game and it will serve to occupy us for at least a couple more months. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Even with 4K land and 5K infra I'm much better off with a happiness wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiss2783 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 More advanced weaponry costs more. Well,then there better be advanced weapons coming in game or this wonder makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Well,then there better be advanced weapons coming in game or this wonder makes no sense. It is. That's why more damage is being dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiss2783 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 It is. That's why more damage is being dealt. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about advanced weapons being introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSierra Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about advanced weapons being introduced. It is intrinsic to the WRC, not a separate weapon. If you have the WRC, your weapons do more damage because they are more advanced. Because they are more advanced, they cost more. The down side is your cost to effectiveness ratio worsens. For example, if you have 2000 tech, your weapons do 16.7% more damage than someone without a WRC (1.4 vs 1.2). However, the cost of your weapons is 20% more than someone without a WRC. The upside is, since you are limited in the number of attacks you can do in a day, you will do more damage to your opponent per day than he will do to you if he doesn't have a WRC as well. Edited May 23, 2008 by MikeSierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphon Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 It is intrinsic to the WRC, not a separate weapon. If you have the WRC, your weapons do more damage because they are more advanced. Because they are more advanced, they cost more.The down side is your cost to effectiveness ratio worsens. For example, if you have 2000 tech, your weapons do 16.7% more damage than someone without a WRC (1.4 vs 1.2). However, the cost of your weapons is 20% more than someone without a WRC. The upside is, since you are limited in the number of attacks you can do in a day, you will do more damage to your opponent per day than he will do to you if he doesn't have a WRC as well. The increased effectiveness far outweighs the increased cost because the cost of military stuff is negligible to anyone with a decent warchest, but the limits on how many soldiers, tanks, and aircraft that can be kept around, and how much damage can be done on each attack, is far from negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 By the way, shouldn't WRC be non-decommisonable? :-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugexe Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 By the way, shouldn't WRC be non-decommisonable? :-s Not if it increases the cost of something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstonopai Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I would just like to take this opportunity to thank my lucky stars that there are people like (DAC)Syzygy around to help me understand the complexities of this game. Seriously DAC, admin needs to hire you to work on this game. You've opened up an entirely new realm of complexity to this game and it will serve to occupy us for at least a couple more months.Thank you. Seconded!I'm getting the impression a couple of these new wonders are great, but not quite as good as the original top few (IS, SSS, SM, DRA, etc). However, where do they place for us larger nations who already own most of those basic economic wonders? For example, I have a SM, SSS, Interstate, DRA, NRL, SDI, Great Mon, Great Uni, Great Temp, and Internet. I'm way over the land/infra requirements, so those are no problem (I have coal and oil, btw). For large nations like us, which of these new wonders makes the most sense? As I understand it, MIC would give me simply $4 pop income. ADP gives me a bunch more land and $2 pop income. And WRC/FSS give some military benefits. So do the MIC or ADP go above something like the space program, or movie industry (+3 happ)? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I would just like to take this opportunity to thank my lucky stars that there are people like (DAC)Syzygy around to help me understand the complexities of this game. Seriously DAC, admin needs to hire you to work on this game. You've opened up an entirely new realm of complexity to this game and it will serve to occupy us for at least a couple more months.Thank you. I couldn't agree more. If admin really was a god, you would be moses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 On a side note i think that Agriculture Development Program is currently a bit useless tbh. Economically it's extremely weak and it brings little income even for people at 10k+ land. Militarily land itself doesn't bring very many bonuses and again the 15% bonus and max military raise isn't really notable. What i would suggest is for it to double land growth as well (making furs a better choice as well) and/or for it to allow the owner to buy land in chunks of 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMatt Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 On a side note i think that Agriculture Development Program is currently a bit useless tbh. Economically it's extremely weak and it brings little income even for people at 10k+ land. Militarily land itself doesn't bring very many bonuses and again the 15% bonus and max military raise isn't really notable. What i would suggest is for it to double land growth as well (making furs a better choice as well) and/or for it to allow the owner to buy land in chunks of 50 It makes me wonder why the most frequently bought new wonder so far is the ADP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylesjl Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I am going to get the weapons development complex. It will make me a military powerhouse. Of course I will first get a Disaster Relief Agency (for more tech), then a National Research Lab, a Pentagon, and then the Weapons Development Center. Frankly I don't like the Pentagon as it is fairly weak, but the benefits of the WRC outweigh that of the low usefulness of the Pentagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oinkoink12 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 On a side note i think that Agriculture Development Program is currently a bit useless tbh. Economically it's extremely weak and it brings little income even for people at 10k+ land. Militarily land itself doesn't bring very many bonuses and again the 15% bonus and max military raise isn't really notable. What i would suggest is for it to double land growth as well (making furs a better choice as well) and/or for it to allow the owner to buy land in chunks of 50 Yeah getting +5000 more citizens and +15% more land for defending odds/spy odds is really a poor wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman657 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 It makes me wonder why the most frequently bought new wonder so far is the ADP... Could be that he had no idea what he's talking about and that it actually is really awesome. I'll be buying one in 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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