Jake Liebenow Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Nordreich, you guys should stay active. I like all y'all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subcomandante VL Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1337447087' post='2969521'] The thing is, do you really think the majority of Nordreich give a !@#$ about your opinion? We don't give a damn about what some stupid idiots tried to corrupt, we care about what the symbols mean to us, and us only. Nordreich is a comradeship, one that does not base its membership on ethnicity, but on whether one can be a true Kamerad for the Reich. We're not your usual backstabbing hypocrites, sweet-talking sophists, or wannabes. We are Nordreich. We are the true Kameradschaft, forged from [i]Blut und Eisen, Pflichtbewusstsein und Treue[/i]. [/quote] I just had to quote this post because I found it, and the person who wrote it, hilarious. It's probably unintentional, but well played anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='VladimirLenin' timestamp='1337486762' post='2969696'] I just had to quote this post because I found it, and the person who wrote it, hilarious. It's probably unintentional, but well played anyway. [/quote] We at Nordreich don't play games, Mister... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1337447087' post='2969521'] The thing is, do you really think the majority of Nordreich give a !@#$ about your opinion? We don't give a damn about what some stupid idiots tried to corrupt, we care about what the symbols mean to us, and us only. Nordreich is a comradeship, one that does not base its membership on ethnicity, but on whether one can be a true Kamerad for the Reich. We're not your usual backstabbing hypocrites, sweet-talking sophists, or wannabes. We are Nordreich. We are the true Kameradschaft, forged from [i]Blut und Eisen, Pflichtbewusstsein und Treue[/i]. [/quote] That's the thing, though. You don't get to just change the meaning of widely-accepted symbols because you feel like it. It doesn't matter what you think the rune symbolizes; to everybody else, it still symbolizes racism, oppression, and murder. Try walking through a Jewish neighborhood in my nation of Lancashire in some of that Nordreich "nationalist German but totally not Nazi at all even though we use Nazi/SS symbols" getup and see how far it gets you. If none of NoR cares about this, then why are you all here complaining about having to explain yourselves all the time? If you truly don't care, stop responding from now on and let everybody think what they want. Get out of here with that garbage. Edited May 20, 2012 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge X Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Norwood' timestamp='1337481786' post='2969668'] The Nordland's still around, the Slaytanic Wehrmacht isn't. Win-win, right? [/quote] So you get disbanded twice and your still around? How many times has TPF been disbanded? Leadership changes, I am sure NoR -> NoV -> NoR has had quite a few leadership changes. IDK. IDC. It's not worth a piss on Hitler to me, or maybe it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337489899' post='2969717'] That's the thing, though. You don't get to just change the meaning of widely-accepted symbols because you feel like it. It doesn't matter what you think the rune symbolizes; to everybody else, it still symbolizes racism, oppression, and murder. Try walking through a Jewish neighborhood in my nation of Lancashire in some of that Nordreich "nationalist German but totally not Nazi at all even though we use Nazi/SS symbols" getup and see how far it gets you. If none of NoR cares about this, then why are you all here complaining about having to explain yourselves all the time? If you truly don't care, stop responding from now on and let everybody think what they want. Get out of here with that garbage. [/quote] Do I need to yet again point out that your own argument applies to those socialist and communist alliances in this game? That the wheat wreath, gear and red/yellow star symbolizes just as much hate, oppression, death and intolerance? Quite frankly we don't care, but we do care enough to point out the childish double standard you're displaying by not bothering to bring up the flip side to your own argument, and look at the matter objectively. Instead, you've chosen to make a thinly veiled reference to Nordreich being a national socialist alliance, or that we should somehow be ashamed of our pride in germanic lineage. Sorry, not going to happen. [i]Nordeich Über Alles![/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avakael Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Who's clever idea was it to put NoR and Int in the same hegemony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Tibus Heth' timestamp='1337491313' post='2969722'] Do I need to yet again point out that your own argument applies to those socialist and communist alliances in this game? That the wheat wreath, gear and red/yellow star symbolizes just as much hate, oppression, death and intolerance? Quite frankly we don't care, but we do care enough to point out the childish double standard you're displaying by not bothering to bring up the flip side to your own argument, and look at the matter objectively. Instead, you've chosen to make a thinly veiled reference to Nordreich being a national socialist alliance, or that we should somehow be ashamed of our pride in germanic lineage. Sorry, not going to happen. [i]Nordeich Über Alles![/i] [/quote] This thread is not about communism, I am not in a communist alliance, and not once have I accused you of being national socialists. I'm just asking why people who aren't Nazis are running around in Nazi uniforms because they're "proud of their German heritage". Don't even come at me with that ridiculous straw man. Germanic peoples have many great accomplishments on a global scale throughout the ages of Bob, so if you're truly proud of that heritage, you ought to pick a symbol that doesn't represent to the rest of Bob the absolute worst of German history. Please tell me you don't actually believe this nonsense you're shooting at me. Edited May 20, 2012 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337492188' post='2969728'] This thread is not about communism, I am not in a communist alliance, and not once have I accused you of being national socialists. I'm just asking why people who aren't Nazis are running around in Nazi uniforms because they're "proud of their German heritage". Don't even come at me with that ridiculous straw man. Germanic peoples have many great accomplishments on a global scale throughout the ages of Bob, so if you're truly proud of that heritage, you ought to pick a symbol that doesn't represent to the rest of Bob the absolute worst of German history. Please tell me you don't actually believe this nonsense you're shooting at me. [/quote] This thread isn't about National Socialism, either. More to the point, I never stated you were a part of a communist or socialist alliance as well. In fact, I think I went out of my way to word my reply to you, in terms of a general imagery sense considering that is the overall topic of your argument. Given that, I think my remarks were absolutely correct and your attempt to label my response to you as a "straw man" merely goes to show your dismissive attitude toward my argument, as opposed to an objective view on it. Also, you didn't outright accuse Nordreich of being a national socialist alliance, you're correct. But it doesn't take a moron to see that: [quote=Hereno]Try walking through a Jewish neighborhood in my nation of Lancashire in some of that Nordreich "nationalist German but totally not Nazi at all even though we use Nazi/SS symbols" getup and see how far it gets you.[/quote] means that not only should we feel ashamed of walking through a Jewish neighborhood, but that we're doing so in Nazi paraphernalia which is not the case. My forum avatar and signature is from a popular movie based on a Comic book, which so happens to be about a Norse god. Not the slightest bit of Nazi undertone. If your really going to hide your hate, you should do it better. Perhaps by simply not even posting? Edited May 20, 2012 by Tibus Heth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Judge X' timestamp='1337492717' post='2969733'] Hmmm. So [b]Thorwhatshisname[/b] really wasn't a Nazi-wannabe skinhead bullet sponge? It is one thing to be proud of your Germanic heritage and another to choose the worst time period in German history to be proud of. I mean, Germany has a few hundred years of being the Holy Roman Empire in which Germany pretty much ruled most of Eastern Europe. You just want to ignore and go back to your parade? [img]http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Goose-Parade.jpg[/img] [/quote] Who is Thorwhatshisname? If you mean a former member or something, I think it's safe to say that when Nordreich finds them, they root them out. just like I would expect LSF or INT to root out AntiFA criminals in their ranks. You know, the sorts that attack and kill people they think are racist? Violence and intolerance on [i]either[/i] side is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Tibus Heth' timestamp='1337492695' post='2969732'] This thread isn't about National Socialism, either. More to the point, I never stated you were a part of a communist or socialist alliance as well. In fact, I think I went out of my way to word my reply to you, in terms of a general imagery sense considering that is the overall topic of your argument. Given that, I think my remarks were absolutely correct and your attempt to label my response to you as a "straw man" merely goes to show your dismissive attitude toward my argument, as opposed to an objective view on it. Also, you didn't outright accuse Nordreich of being a national socialist alliance, you're correct. But it doesn't take a moron to see that:[/quote] I dismiss your claim that I have anything against German people or them celebrating their heritage because the claim itself is garbage. That you'd honestly try to misdirect the discussion like that is quite pathetic. I certainly hope you haven't started believing your own propaganda. [quote]means that not only should we feel ashamed of walking through a Jewish neighborhood, but that we're doing so in Nazi paraphernalia which is not the case. My forum avatar and signature is from a popular movie based on a Comic book, which so happens to be about a Norse god. Not the slightest bit of Nazi undertone. If your really going to hide your hate, you should do it better. Perhaps by simply not even posting? [/quote] You've got an Othala rune on your avatar and on your signature. It is a symbol of Nazi Germany, whether you recognize that or not, and it is a symbol Nordreich uses like I drink water. If you walked through a Jewish neighborhood wearing that symbol, you would be walking through a Jewish neighborhood wearing a symbol of the Nazis. That cannot be disputed, and as I said, I doubt they want to hear your garbage about being non-Nazi nationalist Germans who use Nazi symbols. I would feel shameful even wearing the symbols of the Schutzstaffel on my avatar/signature, much less going out in public like that, and you should as well. You're absolutely right I believe that. I have no reason to hide my hate of the Nazis, and the fact that you're seriously suggesting that to me is hilarious. All of that said, I'm done with this thread. Whether or not you want to adopt the style and symbols of the third reich is your business, and I think I've driven my point home pretty well. Edited May 20, 2012 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge X Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Amen Hereno, Amen. [img]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/gsx1138/hulk_smash_loki.gif[/img] Edited May 20, 2012 by Judge X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote=Hereno]I dismiss your claim that I have anything against German people or them celebrating their heritage because the claim itself is garbage. That you'd honestly try to misdirect the discussion like that is quite pathetic. I certainly hope you haven't started believing your own propaganda.[/quote] I likewise dismiss your attempt to misrepresent my reply as an erroneous assumption that you have something against Germans. I never said that at all. I did however point out, using your own words, that you seem to have something against nordreich as an alliance. I also made a case that you seem to think we're a bunch of national socialist enthusiasts, a notion that is [i]real[/i] garbage. I for one certainly hope that you will put more effort into actually reading and retaining my posts, before you launch into a tirade about waste. [quote]You've got an Othala rune on your avatar and on your signature. It is a symbol of Nazi Germany, whether you recognize that or not, and it is a symbol Nordreich uses like I drink water. If you walked through a Jewish neighborhood wearing that symbol, you would be walking through a Jewish neighborhood wearing a symbol of the Nazis. That cannot be disputed, and as I said, I doubt they want to hear your garbage about being non-Nazi nationalist Germans who use Nazi symbols. I would feel shameful even wearing the symbols of the Schutzstaffel on my avatar/signature, much less going out in public like that, and you should as well. You're absolutely right I believe that. I have no reason to hide my hate of the Nazis, and the fact that you're seriously suggesting that to me is hilarious.[/quote] Just as the Red Star and Yellow Star have been the symbols of communist oppression worldwide. I don't understand why you're not even acknowledging this fact. You're trying to make the case that a thousands of years old rune is somehow inherently evil, yet it's perfectly fine (given your complete lack of address regarding this point) for alliances to use the hammer and sickle, gears or the red/yellow star. Those images are comparatively new and have existed solely for the purposes of espousing communism and marxism abroad. Not religious or cultural heritage. We don't use the swastika, and we don't abide racists, bigots, and hate-mongers in my alliance. Although I am new to NoR, I can obviously see by the fact that one of our former leaders is [i]jewish[/i] means he would feel right at home in this neighborhood. Would some of the Stalinist filth in INT or LSF feel likewise? Have we forgotten the pogroms responsible for millions of jewish persecution and death? Or the mass exodus of jews from the USSR during the cold war? Look, it's this simple: you're trying to label Nordreich as a national socialist alliance because of our germanic imagery (and make no mistake, it was a Norse pagan symbol long before Hitler befouled it), yet you give a wink and a nod to the imagery that communist alliances fly. It's childish, hypocritical and it's so much more laughable that you have the testicular fortitude to tell me I should be ashamed. Ha! I say that you should be ashamed for not having the courage to do something about your conspiracy theories. My nation is there, come at me bro. [quote]All of that said, I'm done with this thread.[/quote] I accept your surrender, Hereno. Edited May 20, 2012 by Tibus Heth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I really meant it when I said I was done here, but after a few shots and seeing your beautiful sig combining the Grateful Dead with victims of Stalin (seriously, I laughed so hard), I decided to come back and give you a response since you seem to be so butthurt over this. [quote name='Tibus Heth' timestamp='1337494939' post='2969747'] I likewise dismiss your attempt to misrepresent my reply as an erroneous assumption that you have something against Germans. I never said that at all. I did however point out, using your own words, that you seem to have something against nordreich as an alliance. I also made a case that you seem to think we're a bunch of national socialist enthusiasts, a notion that is [i]real[/i] garbage. I for one certainly hope that you will put more effort into actually reading and retaining my posts, before you launch into a tirade about waste.[/quote] No !@#$ I have something against Nordreich because they use Nazi symbols. That said, that's really my only problem with NoR. Other than that I think you guys are a pretty good alliance. You keep saying I'm making you out to be national socialists, but you're the ones who use the Othala rune. Not me. Pointing out that it was used by Nazis is what is making you mad. Boo hoo. I've continually said that I don't think you're Nazis, and will take you at your word on that. So tell me: why are you wearing Nazi uniforms? [quote]Just as the Red Star and Yellow Star have been the symbols of communist oppression worldwide. I don't understand why you're not even acknowledging this fact. You're trying to make the case that a thousands of years old rune is somehow inherently evil, yet it's perfectly fine (given your complete lack of address regarding this point) for alliances to use the hammer and sickle, gears or the red/yellow star. Those images are comparatively new and have existed solely for the purposes of espousing communism and marxism abroad. Not religious or cultural heritage. We don't use the swastika, and we don't abide racists, bigots, and hate-mongers in my alliance. Although I am new to NoR, I can obviously see by the fact that one of our former leaders is [i]jewish[/i] means he would feel right at home in this neighborhood. Would some of the Stalinist filth in INT or LSF feel likewise? Have we forgotten the pogroms responsible for millions of jewish persecution and death? Or the mass exodus of jews from the USSR during the cold war? Look, it's this simple: you're trying to label Nordreich as a national socialist alliance because of our germanic imagery (and make no mistake, it was a Norse pagan symbol long before Hitler befouled it), yet you give a wink and a nod to the imagery that communist alliances fly. It's childish, hypocritical and it's so much more laughable that you have the testicular fortitude to tell me I should be ashamed. Ha! I say that you should be ashamed for not having the courage to do something about your conspiracy theories. My nation is there, come at me bro.[/quote] You moron, this thread is not about communism. Can you or can you not defend your alliance's use of 3rd Reich imagery without saying "look! the commies are even worse!" or not? I don't care if INT and LSF team up to resurrect Stalin, give him implants that give him the powers of a demigod, and then literally enslave all of Bob, it would not make it okay for your alliance to use 3rd Reich imagery. Step up or step off. Do you have a defense or are you going to keep beating around the bush and refusing to address the central point of my arguments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337489899' post='2969717'] That's the thing, though. You don't get to just change the meaning of widely-accepted symbols because you feel like it. It doesn't matter what you think the rune symbolizes; to everybody else, it still symbolizes racism, oppression, and murder. Try walking through a Jewish neighborhood in my nation of Lancashire in some of that Nordreich "nationalist German but totally not Nazi at all even though we use Nazi/SS symbols" getup and see how far it gets you.[/quote] If that Jewish neighborhood is that narrow-minded, it's not worth the effort trying to fit their sentiments, given they're being a bigoted as those they would supposedly be against. [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337489899' post='2969717']If none of NoR cares about this, then why are you all here complaining about having to explain yourselves all the time? If you truly don't care, stop responding from now on and let everybody think what they want. Get out of here with that garbage. [/quote] Except you reported to the mods as if we're some new alliance that sprung up. Given your time in CN, you should have known about Nordreich, and I find your basic report disgusting. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even give a damn about the usual whining that goes on about the odal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1337502116' post='2969768'] If that Jewish neighborhood is that narrow-minded, it's not worth the effort trying to fit their sentiments, given they're being a bigoted as those they would supposedly be against.[/quote] Being bigoted = not liking symbols used by the SS. xfd [quote]Except you reported to the mods as if we're some new alliance that sprung up. Given your time in CN, you should have known about Nordreich, and I find your basic report disgusting. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even give a damn about the usual whining that goes on about the odal. [/quote] 100 tech if you can link me to where I did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337502625' post='2969769'] Being bigoted = not liking symbols used by the SS. xfd[/quote] Yes, because some !@#$%^&* used an ancient symbol for their twisted goals. That's seriously retarded, and I for one will not give a $%&@ about it. [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337502625' post='2969769']100 tech if you can link me to where I did that. [/quote] *Facepalms* Seems I for some reason mixed you up with someone else. My apologies for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1337502923' post='2969770'] Yes, because some !@#$%^&* used an ancient symbol for their twisted goals. That's seriously retarded, and I for one will not give a $%&@ about it. [/quote] How would you respond if you saw a group of people around a burning cross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote]I really meant it when I said I was done here, but after a few shots and seeing your beautiful sig combining the Grateful Dead with victims of Stalin (seriously, I laughed so hard)[/quote] I'm glad it meets to your approval. After all, you set the standard for hilarity in this thread. [quote]No !@#$ I have something against Nordreich because they use Nazi symbols. That said, that's really my only problem with NoR. Other than that I think you guys are a pretty good alliance. You keep saying I'm making you out to be national socialists, but you're the ones who use the Othala rune. Not me. Pointing out that it was used by Nazis is what is making you mad. Boo hoo. I've continually said that I don't think you're Nazis, and will take you at your word on that. So tell me: why are you wearing Nazi uniforms?[/quote] Have you noticed that every time you say you're not calling us national socialist or "nazi", you mention our "nazi" symbolism, or ask why we use "nazi" uniforms? It's quite funny really, to see you contradict yourself at least half a dozen times in your own thread. Then, to see you turn around and deny any accusations made towards us, by you, about the same subject matter. You're like a rabid dog, foaming at the mouth and barking at the mailman because he wears a silly uniform. So tell me: why can't you have the courage to admit you think we're a national socialist alliance (as you are so fond of insinuating by your question)? I am sure we'd all enjoy the pleasure of laughing you out of this thread together, for the ignorance you've displayed here. [quote]You moron, this thread is not about communism. Can you or can you not defend your alliance's use of 3rd Reich imagery without saying "look! the commies are even worse!" or not? I don't care if INT and LSF team up to resurrect Stalin, give him implants that give him the powers of a demigod, and then literally enslave all of Bob, it would not make it okay for your alliance to use 3rd Reich imagery. Step up or step off. Do you have a defense or are you going to keep beating around the bush and refusing to address the central point of my arguments?[/quote] I don't need to defend anything. We don't use "3rd Reich" imagery. We use germanic imagery (Othala rune, eagle of germania, etc;) that has been around far longer than any reich. Now, I will admit some people use german soldiers as avatars, or banners, but I see no swastikas or SS runes anywhere. I haven't seen anything overtly racist, or national socialist related material since joining Nordreich. Granted, I haven't been in this community long (got a rude awakening it seems), but so far I just haven't seen it! This thread isn't about what we're discussing either, but since you brought it up, I thought it would only be fair to point out the same imagery used by communist alliances is just as offensive. That's not moronic, that's [i]objective[/i], and it's fair play. Nowhere have I claimed that "OMG! SOVIET UNION WAS WORSE!". Throughout this thread you have misrepresented my argument, slandered myself, and my alliance with baseless claims borne from a hatred and ignorance of the people I have come to know in my albeit brief time in this "world". Until you actually "come at me bro", and provide some real evidence other than your irrational fear and hatred of something you haven't the slightest clue about, then I'll consider you a mere annoyance at best. To coin a phrase from Nick Fury: "Ant, meet Boot." [img]http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/144/037/haters_gonna_hate_by_genshihebi-d36bgfk.gif[/img] Edited May 20, 2012 by Tibus Heth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1337503670' post='2969772'] How would you respond if you saw a group of people around a burning cross? [/quote] Let them be, unless they were doing it for the purpose of a KKK ceremony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1337503670' post='2969772'] How would you respond if you saw a group of people around a burning cross? [/quote] How would you respond if you saw a deer run out in front of a car, and get plastered? Because that's about how much your comment has to do with this conversation right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Dude, as a third party, I am going to give you piece of advice: stop trying to argue. You are using a series of logical fallacies to try to counter Hereno's points. That rune, no matter its origin, was used by the Nazis. This is not debatable. This also does not mean you are necessarily Nazis, but come on, stop trying to pretend you don't use the imagery. For the record, I agree with a lot of what you have said, but most of it is not really relevant to Hereno's point. It's also worth noting that Hereno and I do not see eye-to-eye on just about everything, but you are not winning the argument here. e: I would feel like I got a free dinner. If you answered the question, you would see that it actually does. Edited May 20, 2012 by USMC123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibus Heth Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1337505416' post='2969780'] Dude, as a third party, I am going to give you piece of advice: stop trying to argue. You are using a series of logical fallacies to try to counter Hereno's points. That rune, no matter its origin, was used by the Nazis. This is not debatable. This also does not mean you are necessarily Nazis, but come on, stop trying to pretend you don't use the imagery. For the record, I agree with a lot of what you have said, but most of it is not really relevant to Hereno's point. It's also worth noting that Hereno and I do not see eye-to-eye on just about everything, but you are not winning the argument here. e: I would feel like I got a free dinner. If you answered the question, you would see that it actually does. [/quote] Ok? What's your point? I'm not arguing at all that we don't use imagery that is of a norse pagan origin. That's not a problem in my eyes. The issue is that some people apparently take offense because a group of people took it, and abused it for foul purposes. Now, it is forever inappropriate (again according to these people making the complaint) to use the Odal rune in any way. I point out that it was long used not as a symbol of hate, but one of respect, power, and knowledge. I also go further to point out there aren't any outcries for using communist images, especially since the images I raised were designed [i]specifically[/i] for Communism. They don't possess any cultural significance at all, and those using them should be viewed with skepticism. These aren't logical fallacies at all. They're fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 [quote name='Tibus Heth' timestamp='1337505850' post='2969781'] Ok? What's your point? I'm not arguing at all that we don't use imagery that is of a norse pagan origin. That's not a problem in my eyes. The issue is that some people apparently take offense because a group of people took it, and abused it for foul purposes. Now, it is forever inappropriate (again according to these people making the complaint) to use the Odal rune in any way. I point out that it was long used not as a symbol of hate, but one of respect, power, and knowledge. I also go further to point out there aren't any outcries for using communist images, especially since the images I raised were designed [i]specifically[/i] for Communism. They don't possess any cultural significance at all, and those using them should be viewed with skepticism. These aren't logical fallacies at all. They're fact. [/quote] It is a fact that communists killed a lot of people and their symbolism should be condemned as well is true and that is by and large what I was referring to when I posted, but in the case of the argument, it is a logical fallacy (logical fallacies aren't necessarily false statements). The communism comments were directly aimed at Hereno's political beliefs (sorta ad hominem, but meh, I'm not going to argue on that one), and was by and large a red herring, or a statement that is intended to deflect the course of the discussion and make about something else. The argument was not about communist images, it was about Nazi images. The offensiveness of communist images doesn't change the offensiveness of Nazi images. I completely understand that you guys do not view the Rune and other such images as Nazi images, but you have to recognize and accept that others will because whether you like it or not, someone DID take that image and ruin in, just like how the swastika originally was a symbol for peace. The point I was trying to make with the Burning Cross thing was that it also is an image that has a distorted meaning. While the burning cross's original meaning is not as benign as the swastika, it was originally something Scottish Clans did to declare war. Now it is only known as the symbol of the KKK and is (or at least should be) offensive to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuQu Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1337506681' post='2969782']Now it is only known as the symbol of the KKK and is (or at least should be) offensive to everyone. [/quote] Hey hey hey! KKK Supermarket is well-known grocery shop here in Finland and it has nothing to do with burning cross's (etc). [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1229/1285796320_b2cba030e9.jpg[/img] ...anyway congrats Nordreich and I wanna thank you all members/allies/supporters who have contributed to create something beyond awesome! :cheers: Edited May 20, 2012 by JuQu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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