Oranges

If we send you a bottle of single malt Scotch, will you go away?

FAIL, eh? Sounds about right. Was that oppression in the form of someone trying to take your sippin' whiskey again?

This was an enjoyable read :) Congratulations to our Sith compatriots for their fine writing and rhyming ability! You've set the bar high, but Pacifican's Media will always be better :P

We tend to reciprocate gentlemanly behaviour :)

Despite the current conflict, the New Pacific Order is still recruiting! Check out http://cn.npowned.net/ today, or if you have IRC, hop onto #nsa on the Coldfront server :)

The New Pacific Order is always looking for new members willing to join our ranks. Since our inception in 2006, the NPO has consistently been at the forefront of Cybernations, whether in terms of military, diplomatic relations, or economic strength. Our camaraderie and spirit is known to all. There are few who can claim, honestly, that their community is as great as ours. As Geerland has pointed out, many alliances, ourselves included, are currently involved in the ongoing Equilibrium conflict. We still welcome recruits, but caution that you may find yourself involved in hostilites immediately, whether you are prepared for them or not. Forum link: http://cn.npowned.net/

Shit guys, he's on to us. We better start fighting srsly lolz :awesome:

Good luck o/ Read your constitution...you made several references to the Senate, but never actually defined what it is. "A member nation may be expelled from the DRN if that nation commits an action which violates or severely offends the principles of the Constitution. The expulsion of a member is decided upon by an advisory vote including the whole Senate. Ultimately, the decision of expelling a member is left up to the discretion of the Sovereign." "The vote to impeach the Sovereign is a simple majority vote by the Senate, and is similar to any other bill or law put before the Roundtable." "During these proceedings, the Senate will act as jury" Sounds pretty important.

QFT

World Web War

April 25th :)

Ain't no way this web is EVER going to be "easy to read".

o/ Sir Paul, that was awesome! :)

Best of luck getting your forums up and running again o/

A solid, sensible move, INT. o/

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1357909810' post='3074733'] I see you have the same problem of Duke Nukem, you understand any type of criticism as if I was saying what NPO done was wrong. If you don't like my posts do us both a favor and ignore them, then I wont need to reply yours to point how wrong your assumptions are. God, I love when the best thing people can do is ask me to stop posting, oh that feeling... [/quote] Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that people criticise when they feel someone has done the right thing. Since when was the best thing I could do to tell you to stop posting? We've tirelessly refuted each one of your assumptions, but apparently you don't have the mental capacity to grasp what we're saying. I tell you to stop posting because you're never going to be able to engage in a reasoned, proper discussion. You not posting anymore simply removes the need for me to copy+paste responses to identical questions. But hey, if you want to keep asking the same questions over and over, because your bias prevents you from even limited understanding of any possible viewpoint other than your own, go ahead. Ctrl+C, ctrl+V really isn't that much work for me.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1357906309' post='3074725'] No, lenience would mean NPO didn't declared on NEW because you were worried with their well being, the truth is that NPO didn't declared on them for selfish reasons, like avoid put their allies in opposite sides and I'm pretty sure if NEW had no treaties NPO would have attacked them without any sign of leniency. [/quote] If ifs and buts were candied nuts, wouldn't it be a happy Planet Bob? Either way, we didn't declare on them. [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1357906309' post='3074725'] No, you aren't, in fact what you have done was exactly the opposite, you're escalating the conflict and yet this move doesn't impede that today or in the next 6 days NEW escalate it further. [/quote] And after the next six days? What would you have rather seen, uninterrupted NEW aid to Kaskus, indefinitely prolonging their war with NSO? NPO did what had to be done. BFF has clearly come out and said NEW wanted to escalate this conflict by getting themselves declared on. If the war does escalate, it'll be because NEW provokes it with aggression of their own making. [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1357906309' post='3074725'] No, your leader already did that, I want that others NPO members like you to stop this senseless propaganda, it is unnecessary and isn't making NPO any good, may be your own members buy it, but for everybody else it does the opposite effect. When you try to justify your actions with nonexistent motives it make you looks guilty when you aren't. [/quote] A horde of angels could fly down from Heaven, and make sworn depositions stating that the NPO is acting with every honourable intention possible. That would be buried somewhere in this 23 page thread. And meanwhile, anyone with a personal beef against the NPO will continue to decry the NPO's involvement as a big bad thing. The only thing that would possibly make you even slightly happy would be is if we failed completely. Against that kind of bias, that kind of mindset, nothing we say anyway ever persuade you that we aren't the Big Bad. So why are you even here reading this stuff, getting your own blood pressure high? Do us both a favour and just stop posting.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1357889136' post='3074664'] Do you get it know? Now I hope that you realize that I was not whining, I was just correcting your lies about the reasons NPO/Brehon had to not directly attack NEW, and I'll repeat it for you since you seems to have some problems in understand things at the first time they're said: NPO/Brehon didn't attacked NEW not because of leniency as you falsely said, but to avoid the activation of NEW treaties, now please note that I wasn't saying NPO/Brehon were wrong in doing that, I was just asking for some honesty, mainly from you, since the leader of you alliance already had recognized that before you started to spout lies. [/quote] You continue to labour under the delusion that there can only be one reason for any action. As with any event, a multitude of factors are at play. Each one is a reason. Are we being lenient on NEW by not declaring war on them? Yes. We could war them, but we are not. Is that leniency? Of course. Are we preventing the escalation of this conflict? Yes as well. BFF has come out and said that NEW wants this war to expand, and the NPO hitting NEW would cause that expansion. Is Kaskus in the wrong here for accepting aid? Yes, they are as culpable as NEW in this aid transaction. Has the NPO got a valid reason for entering this conflict? Double yes. So then what's there to argue about? You want us to admit the "true reasons" we're war? We have done so, repeatedly. And, at the end of the day, whatever the reason we give, we're at war with Kaskus. Let's move on.

[quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1357881699' post='3074582'] My point is, are you in your teens or early 20's? The bet was with Longshadow. He's got kids your age (I've talked to him on IRC), so I will guarantee you he will pay that bet. And I'll back that up: I will bet you 50 tech Longshadow pays off his debt. You in? [/quote] [quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1357881796' post='3074586'] I am willing to bet another 50 tech that Orange will e-lawyer his way out of not paying Walshington if he chooses to accept. [/quote] Hang on wait so, if I took Walshington's original bet, and then took omfg's bet that I wouldn't pay on Walshington's bet, that would mean that...omfg would give me 50 tech, and I would give Walshington 50 tech. Or I don't give Walshington anything, and I give omfg 50 tech. Yeah nah, thanks guys but I'm not a tech dispensing machine. Not that it matters, since Walshington's changed the wager.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1357880868' post='3074568'] No sir. I cant think of one I have dealt with that has done this. A handful of well-known cases might have pulled that off, but then that is why their names are not entirely forgotten. The typical rogue throws a few nukes before bill-locking and deleting, never to be seen again. [/quote] I was trying to make the point that you cannot simply look at absolute amount of NS lost to determine who is winning or losing. I think that was lost in communication somewhere, but yes, thank you. [quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1357880988' post='3074569'] High school or college? [/quote] Does OWF count as a college?

[quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1357880355' post='3074558'] Except I'm not e-lawyering. I don't know your age or gender, but in any Firehouse, Marine Base, construction site, police precinct or anywhere else men work, this bet gets paid, and no one thinks less of the man paying it. Allies came in for NSO, and they came first. I know this isn't a firehouse, and you may or may not be a man, but in your heart of hearts, you know this man won his bet. Do the right thing. [/quote] Oh that's great. Except we're not in a firehouse, Marine base, construction site, police precinct, and I seriously doubt "men" work here. Now, I'm a pretty good elawyer. And if I was the one being asked to pay out on this bet, I would rightly refuse to do so. Under the terms of the wager, he did not win the bet. The letter of the law and the intent and interpretation of it are two vastly different things. You may interpret it to mean that he won. While you're at it, why don't you interpret it to mean that the NPO has lost the war, that nuclear rogues are now a legitimate political entity, and that tech deals are secretly a capitalist plot to destroy Planet Bob as we know it.

[quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1357879474' post='3074547'] Victory isn't always about pixels. [b]Most wars end not when someone CAN'T fight, but when they no longer want to fight -- low on money, infra and desire to continue.[/b] [/quote] What's that? Money and infra are also motivating factors? But hey, I thought it was all about the "will to fight" and all that. Wasn't your whole point that it's not important to look at statistics like, say, money or infra? And if you don't have money or infra, are you able to fight? No? Oh, okay. [quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1357879830' post='3074550'] From what the original post says, it seems like NEW will continue to aid Kaskus (also judging from aid screens). So what then? -omfg [/quote] They haven't continued to aid Kaskus, but if they do? The NPO will do what it has promised to do.

[quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1357878504' post='3074528'] The idiocy is strong with this one. [/quote] Proud graduate of the OWF School of Peanut Throwing, class of '08

[quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1357878185' post='3074521'] It is more of the fact that NSO had to call in allies first before Kaskus makes this victory so sweet. [/quote] [i]Help, doctor, it's a case of selective reading![/i] Nurse, hand me 50ccs of rational nonbiased logic, stat! [i]It won't be enough, doctor! He's slipping too fast, we're gonna lose him![/i] Not on my watch. Hand me the paddle, I'll spank this one back to life. [i]You're amazing, doctor![/i] All in a day's work, my good lady. All in a day's work.

[quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1357877288' post='3074496'] You know I am sorry I didnt spend time to read through 20 pages on a leisure game to look for a loophole pansy answer you guys concocted. Back in more simpler times, if another alliance had to make a public declaration of war, then that usually means calling in your allies. Keep on making your excuses, they dont make you look any better. [/quote] Oh no, how ever will I sleep at night now that omfg thinks so badly of me? [quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1357877295' post='3074497'] I think you should pay that man his tech. Brehon can say whatever he wants -- hell, MK said they went to war for Dave93. The fact is, even if there were no backroom deals, NSO didn't wave off the aid, nor did NPO bully their way in and enter over NSO's staunch protestations. NSO's allies came in before Kaskus's did. Whoevr made that bet should pay and not quibble over it. [/quote] The quotes that he provided indicate that the wager was made over who would "call in their allies first", not "who's allies will enter first". Don't you try and out elawyer me, buddy.