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Oh boy.

[quote name='Timmehhh' date='16 February 2010 - 01:17 PM' timestamp='1266322643' post='2185440'] This is strangest spin ever. So TOP was basically cosing NSO above Umbrella a direct MDoAP partner who was willing to die for you. Umbrella was already under attack by like 13 million NS (NATO, The Foreign Division, NADC and Nueva Vidia) while IRON wasn't even involved yet. You guys simply decided that is was the best time to strike C&G and you had the odds in your favor big-time until the NpO \m/ peace happened. I know TOP thought they would win this for sure, I remember MrCyber from TOP querying me that FOK was on the losing side of the conflict and that TOP would shoot down some alliances big-time. if it wasn't for the peace between \m/ and NpO it would have happened. [/quote] I agree with the esteemed dutchman here.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='15 February 2010 - 10:43 PM' timestamp='1266270206' post='2183491'] Yeaaah, giving someone my tech just doesn't sit well with me. [/quote] We can buy it from you instead. How does 3m/150t sound?

#1. Aircastle

[quote name='memoryproblems' date='12 February 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1266007458' post='2178064'] Yeah, but the alliance that was basically #2 on Pacifica's side in Karma, IRON is getting a severe beating. When NPO comes out of terms, all those that they would likely have signed treaties with will be smoking piles of rubble, which was likely part of what C&G wanted to see. [/quote]I like having our ego stroked as much as the the next guy, but C&G didn't control, and we certainly didn't orchestrate this war. We did everything in our power to stop this cluster$%&@ of a war from happening, but why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory?

[quote name='Lincongrad' date='12 February 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1265999936' post='2177863'] While I'm not quite as paranoid as my brother there, Athens hasn't exactly given us a lot of hope for the future. His paranoia isn't coming out of the blue here. [/quote] If Athens were to make a habit of raiding decent sized alliances I doubt MK would remain allied to them. Archon does not care for raiding at all and he only allows regulated raiding in MK because he believes it's a freedom our members deserves.

[quote name='Banedon' date='12 February 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1265998934' post='2177837'] Neneko - There is a reason a lot of people think this is a one way war. Once it's done, SuperComplaints will be free to do what they want, to who ever they want, and there is not going to be any alliance or bloc strong enough to stop them. Athens and FoB have set the tone for the coming new world. If they or anyone else want to tech raid alliances with 50+ members, or 100+ members, or for any reason, or no reason at all, the only thing this side can do is sympathize with the target, declare a few pitiful guerilla wars, and rant on the forums. SuperComplaints isn't going to allow a direct challange. Anyone big enough to possibly be a threat is going to be smashed. Anyone that draws any kind of attention at all will be smashed. This is going to be Hegemony 2.0, just the sides are flipped. New world, just like the old one, only worse. We fight because we're not likely to win, we know that. But we're not going to go quietly into the night either. We're going to have be dragged out kicking, screaming, biting, and clawing since this is likely going to be the last time many are going to be able to do anything. Once the fighting is over, it is quite likely that SuperComplaints will have domination of Digiterra. They will have reps, and tech, and the NS to enforce that domination since pretty much everyone in every alliance and bloc is throwing everything that they have on the line. Once SuperComplaints is the victor, there will be three sides. SuperComplaints, NpO, and everyone else. NpO isn't going to last long. NPO will be rebuilding just like everyone else, and who knows, Athens et. al. may decide that NPO got to big during the rebuild so they launch another war, simply to rake them over the coals again. Not like there's anything anyone else will be able to do to help. There's so much hate for Purple on your side of the fence, I don't doubt there will be overt and covert attempts to break up the sphere. This may be our last hurrah, but damn if we aren't going to take as many of you down with us as we can. [/quote] tl;dr SuperGrievances are guilty of crimes Banedon thinks we might commit in the future.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='12 February 2010 - 02:21 PM' timestamp='1265980888' post='2177494'] [color="#0000FF"]Is it just me or is it more interesting that Sparta was initially demanding 600 million in reparations from a fairly small alliance?[/color] [/quote] 600 million is nothing these days. I alone can easily pay off 600m if it came to that. If you have a point, I'm not seeing it.

[quote name='Fantastico' date='11 February 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1265922974' post='2175486'] If C&G leaders were really working for peace why did they try to claim a second war with the TOP/IRON/TORN/DAWN attacks when they knew ahead of time that those attacks were planned as a part of the war? That's why playing this "we were working for peace" line is so disingenuous and it's also why defining this as a second war is so important to people like you. [/quote] I guess I should go tell MagicalTrevor the 12 or so hours he spent trying to broker peace was just a ruse then. He's going to be angry he wasted so much time.

[quote name='Nedved I' date='11 February 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1265914006' post='2175220'] I think Legion haters are just surprised to see The Legion is actually an effective fighting force. Besides the lower NS is where all the fun is. [/quote] We don't hate the Legion, we pity you.

[quote name='Nizzle' date='11 February 2010 - 08:31 PM' timestamp='1265916707' post='2175292'] Indeed everyone involved in this war is. At least we agree on something. [/quote] \m/, NpO, TOP and IRON have all acted like idiots in this war, the rest of us, not so much.

[quote name='Kortal' date='11 February 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1265915578' post='2175262'] Wow switching right over from calling Syzygy an idiot to calling TOP/IRON idiots :| [/quote] To be fair, they are all idiots.

I wouldn't mind letting TOP/IRON have peace as long as they pay for the damages they've caused as is customary with rogue attacks. So far my damages are $1,630,539,546.20 (military spending, loss of future income not included) and 1930 tech. I'm sure the rest of my C&G comrades can calculate their damages too and if TOP/IRON agrees to fix what they've broken they can have peace. If our enemies does not agree to our resonable demands we shall have no choice but to beat them down like any common rouge.

[quote name='Bunka' date='11 February 2010 - 09:23 AM' timestamp='1265876634' post='2174325'] who says we want to surrender? [/quote] No problem, just don't go around whining about being kept in eternal war.

Pre-emptive attacks are bad. They tend to cause you to lose support.

[quote name='R3nowned' date='11 February 2010 - 11:01 AM' timestamp='1265882479' post='2174423'] NPO was faced with eternal war = TPF was faced with eternal war. Didn't you read mhawk's decision to stick it out for as long as Pacifica was fighting? [/quote] I will wage war upon TOP until the moment the NPO crowns me their emperor. NPO is holding TOP in eternal war.

[quote name='avernite' date='09 February 2010 - 10:14 AM' timestamp='1265706867' post='2170337'] I would just like to ask: Is there actually a BETTER CB than 'we are going to fight some day soon, with both of us doing our best to make that happen in the best possible circumstances'? [/quote] We know you will attack us again in the future if you get the chance. I'm glad you agree we are justified in prolonging the war until we are satisfied you are no longer capable of attacking us again.

[quote name='Zero-One' date='09 February 2010 - 05:29 AM' timestamp='1265689776' post='2169770'] If I don't insult you in public, then do not insult me. Don't be surprised to get slapped if you do. Is that too much of a concept to understand? [/quote] So you want to use force to make sure opinions voiced on the OWF is to your liking? I find that opinion insulting, thus, I will attack you in order to silence you and deter like-minded individuals from voicing similair opinions.

[quote name='Blue Lightning' date='08 February 2010 - 01:54 AM' timestamp='1265590454' post='2167725'] I was just reiterating what I think Heft was saying. Calm down. [/quote] We're very calm. You'd notice if we weren't calm by the wave of divine interventions (OOC: Bans) which would occur.

[quote name='Blue Lightning' date='08 February 2010 - 01:34 AM' timestamp='1265589297' post='2167703'] You're being paranoid with the whole Hegemony !@#$, Joracy. The WotC was nothing to do with "hegemony", in fact that term is BS in general. And Heft would be the last person to use it since he was President of IRON for a large period of the Continuum. All he was saying was that it is hypocritical of CnG to be holding us at war because we're a "threat", when CnG was very vocally against our declaration on Polaris in the WotC because they were a threat. He wasn't passing personal judgement on whether it's wrong/right that we did it back then or that you do it now. [/quote] You are at war with us because you attacked us. If NpO had attacked you in the WoTC, and not the other way around, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' date='07 February 2010 - 11:56 PM' timestamp='1265583412' post='2167549'] i find it amusing that Polaris is currently involved in 545 (off/def) or so wars spread across 234 nations and are still willing to take on TOP. MK is involved in 183 (off/def) or so wars spread across 140 nations and are somehow incapable of helping Polaris out militarily? yes currently Polaris has 195 nations in PM but wouldn't you when you are facing the odds that Polaris are? the moment those nations come out, they will be hit and most likely incapable of reaching PM again until this war ends. MK has 39 nations in PM. essentially, MK wants Polaris to take all their top nations out of PM and hit TOP and get them destroyed while MK states that they do not have the military to aid Polaris... oh wait, i also heard something like a no-chaining clause or some such. yes, true friends are willing to risk utter destruction for their allies and then there is MK. oh i keep forgetting that MK are willing to risk utter destruction for CnG. how dumb of me. [/quote] Alliance Name: Mushroom Kingdom Members: 180 Anarchy: 131 Peace: 39 Indeed, how dumb of you.

[quote name='HellAngel' date='07 February 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1265557484' post='2166848'] Dont underestimate the power of this one declaration. I already advised our council to surrender to the mighty forces of Ski. MK made sure TOP and Polaris would still hate each other after the war, further cementing their grip on planet Bob. Not that i fault them for it. It's a sound strategical move, i just dont think it has any class. (In before "BUT YO ATTACK HAD NO CLASS EITHER!!") [/quote] TOPs delusional paranoia never ceases to amuse. Yes, we orchestrated this entire war just to get you, we even manipulated you into attacking us. We know everything, we control everything! Dance puppet, dance!! //insert evil laugh here.

[quote name='Simon De Montfort' date='07 February 2010 - 01:28 AM' timestamp='1265502506' post='2165485'] If that were true then you would be interested in ending it. Which you could do at any moment. [/quote] Welcome to the consequences. Fake edit: We desired only peace (why would we ever want our friends and allies to fight each other?) until you launched a massive surprise attack on us and our allies. You don't get to do that and walk away unmolested.

[quote name='The Observer' date='07 February 2010 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1265500472' post='2165375'] Outraged TOP is outraged. So what else is new? [/quote] Apparently TOP and NpO were never friends. Good thing I wasn't counting on this non-existent friendship to wage a war of aggression against my perceived enemies.

MK wanted nothing more then stop this bizarre war from ever happening, but since you so desperately need a boogeyman I don't think there's much point arguing with you lot.