der_ko

[quote name='mdnss69' date='03 March 2010 - 11:33 AM' timestamp='1267612595' post='2212490'] So instead C&G are going to turn TOP into a new FAN. Well done on the moral high ground toadstools [/quote] Our terms are easily payable by TOP and they would still be a major power once they'd get out of terms. TOP would no longer be a behemoth, but they would definitely still be one of the most powerful alliances on Bob. If TOP does go the VietFAN route it's by their own choice. No one is forcing them.

[quote name='raasaa' date='03 March 2010 - 08:23 AM' timestamp='1267601231' post='2212429'] Just curious as to what led to that conversation on reps and what was spoken before and after that [/quote] I'd wager good money [i]defending Polar[/i] was mentioned a lot less then crushing C&G was.

[quote name='AAlumni' date='03 March 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1267580194' post='2212046'] Oh, I can guarantee that there would be repercussions. [/quote] You'd accept an immediate offer of white peace, amirite?

Those not using official enemy A/A may be considered nuclear rogues and treated as such.

[quote name='Lord GVChamp' date='02 March 2010 - 07:15 PM' timestamp='1267553929' post='2211493'] Really? Is this the official MK stance? Because I remember some of your members saying that you would just have to issue draconian terms at the beginning of the war because you needed to remove TOP as a threat, and that as time went on the advantage would drift more and more to your side. Which would preclude the need for reparations. [/quote] Yes, can't you see I'm Archon?

I don't really care either way. Our terms will not change, only your ability to pay them will and the longer you resist the harder it will be for you.

The moral of this story, think really hard before you attack C&G.

[quote name='SonOfHoward' date='28 February 2010 - 07:33 PM' timestamp='1267382240' post='2208583'] Reps are a joke, isn't beating them down enough now you gotta rub it in their faces? [/quote] Sometimes it is enough to beat someone down, sometimes reps are necessary. When you are unjustly attacked you have every right in the world to demand compensation for the damages you've suffered.

[quote name='Tyekuso' date='28 February 2010 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1267368658' post='2208270'] What's this?? An extremely intelligent post? What's the OWF coming too? No one likes paying reps, but it's war. Victors will demand what they desire, tis the nature of war. No hard feelings, even though as a member of TOOl I'll end up sending a bunch out. However, what really shocks me, is the change in tone of MK. I'd never thought that this alliance who strove to fight 'tyranny' with valor and style could allow its members to convert to trolling. Echoing what the dakotans said, it boggles the mind what TOOL did to have MK members want to troll us so viciously. Seems to me that the old adage holds true in this case. Power corrupts! [/quote] Don't mind the MK trolling. We are/were very excited to counter-blitz you in the WWE. We stayed up several nights in a row ready to hit you, but you were a no-show. A lot of our members became pretty frustrated and they vent it through trolling.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='28 February 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1267364182' post='2208209'] So, it's been a month now. NoCB, the Hegemony war that C&G like to wheel out as the injustice applied to them, lasted for a month. GPA war, a month. This excuse is running thin now. [/quote] Wars were much shorter back in the day because it was possible to defeat an enemy quickly then. With modern warchests/wonders that's no longer possible, thus, wars last much longer.

[quote name='Alterego' date='28 February 2010 - 01:26 PM' timestamp='1267360172' post='2208161'] Athens cried for a year about having to pay 12k tech in reps and sell another 2k tech. There was no viceroy and no disbandment but you whined for a year, whats up with that? [/quote] If that was in the noCB war, 12k tech was more then Athens held as an alliance at the time. To put it in perspective, it's akin to Sparta and co asking for 250k tech from TOOL in this war.

[quote name='BlkAK47002' date='28 February 2010 - 05:14 AM' timestamp='1267330667' post='2207466'] You and I know that is not happening, C&G out numbers TOP and IRON 10 to 1, And all of TOP and IRON's allies have been beaten down, it would take them years before they can scrape together a force and threaten you again. So cut this feel sorry fo rus we are the victims crap. [/quote] This is false. TOP still holds massive amounts of tech and with their remaining warchests they'll recover record fast if we grant them white peace. Obviously we will not allow this to happen.

Milk was a bad choice.

These numbers will change considerable once everyone is at peace and spends their warchest rebuilding their nations.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='21 February 2010 - 08:56 PM' timestamp='1266782193' post='2195355']Der_ko, it must be nice to be able to use that line, and spread as much directed hate as you like without it being 'representative' (whereas of course if members of other power clusters do it it is taken as being so). [/quote]Yes it is, don't you agree? Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe you are expressing the official stance of VE in this war. Do you see us giving VE a hard time because you are spreading your "hate" for us all over the OWF?

[quote name='Ejayrazz' date='21 February 2010 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1266777684' post='2195230'] Bolded. MK has wanted this war for a very long time, which is fine, but at least admit it. Hell, even I wanted this war, everyone did. We ALL want war, it is why we play tag, it's just this war is now getting too moronic for anyone to bear with. [/quote] I really doubt you've heard Archon, SirWilliam or any other of our high .gov express desire to wage war against TOP. You likely heard random members like myself express negative opinions towards TOP, but guess what, we're not a democracy. Archons word is law and he dictates alliance policy, not random members like myself. tl;dr You know nothing.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='20 February 2010 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1266703782' post='2194155'] I never said that TOP/IRON or NpO had no responsibility to communicate. But the point is simple. If C&G really 'didn't want this war' then they had an easy course of action that could avoid it. Since they didn't take it, the simple conclusion is that they [i]did[/i] want it. [/quote]I didn't think this needed to be stated, but to avoid future [i]misunderstandings[/i]. If anyone thinks it's a good idea to attack C&G without any CB what so ever, we reserve the right to beat the ever living crap out of you. And no, we do not have any obligation to remind you of this fact everytime it looks like we are vulnerable.

[quote name='Bilrow' date='20 February 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1266621045' post='2192590'] If I don't say yes, will I regret it? [/quote] You regret saying yes too many times.

[quote name='President Sitruk' date='20 February 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1266620956' post='2192585'] it's too bad the DoW couldn't have waited an hour. then this whole mess wouldn't have happened. [/quote] TOP/IRON has made it perfectly clear their goal was to remove the C&G "threat". If the war hadn't happened this time it would have happened the next time they felt C&G was vulnerable instead.

[quote name='sacramento' date='19 February 2010 - 03:26 AM' timestamp='1266546397' post='2190987'] There were clearly design plans for the war, CnG was just waiting its turn to enter. TOP just decided to skip the foreplay and get to the good part right away. Peace should have been reached as soon as \m/ and Polar made peace. Instead, CnG decided to continue the war. It was CnG choice to continue the war then. It is CnG choice to continue the war today. You can spin it all what you want, but that is not going to changes those facts. [/quote] Let's make this really, really simple to avoid any "spin". You attacked us. We will defend ourselves for as long as we want.

This war will end when you accept the surrender terms we will offer you.

[quote name='shahenshah' date='18 February 2010 - 07:54 AM' timestamp='1266476068' post='2189134'] Incorrect, only one side. [/quote] We have no interest in eternal war. If you want peace submit an acceptable offer to compensate us for your opportunistic attack upon the C&G union.

THIS JUST IN! Mushroom Kingdom is not Global Order of Darkness.

[quote name='popsumpot' date='17 February 2010 - 01:40 AM' timestamp='1266367239' post='2186556'] I didn't know CnG was made up entirely of MK and GR. [/quote] It isn't. [img]http://thecastlehall.com/boards/Smileys/kickass/ms.gif[/img]

[quote name='President Sitruk' date='17 February 2010 - 01:27 AM' timestamp='1266366441' post='2186530'] if this was supposed to have been for those who are not in the know, then the interviews should have been conducted by an unbiased, uninvolved party. all archon's OP was is hyperbole. talking of poor CnG being aggressively attacked(by god i hope someone that declares on a target hits them aggressively, i'd hate to see how a passive war would go) is just BS. [b]CnG wanted this war[/b], TOP/friends just gave them a way in that'd make CnG out to be the victim and fighting for "justice". in the end, we're not fighting for the same reasons the war was originally waged. now, we're just fighting because neither side likes eachother(well, those few who seem to have a lot of say in gov and hold grudgers, 'tis a sad thing). TOP/friends has shown willingness to put this all behind us. CnG seems to think they'll be able to get TOP/friends to agree to crippling terms which i highly doubt will ever happen. [/quote] You are completely clueless if you honestly believe CnG, especially MK and GR, wanted this cluster$%&@ of a war to happen. Hint, if we were pleased by this war we wouldn't have spent countless hours trying to stop it.