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Forsooth thine own eye has the qualities of an eagle and I shall be quite glad to bring a cup of brimstone to your doorstep once this fight has finished, barring any sudden and unexpected Renaissance Faires that may pop up on my way there... o/ GDA

/me breaks out the BBQ and beer Congrats WF I'm looking forward to the 1 year bash!

Congrats Tempest! This is no small event o/ Tempest

You're on the road to greatness, I wish you well and call on me at any time. o/ WF

Excellent move o/ WF o/ GDA

Congrats to arcticllama! A good choice and I have no doubts that he will serve you well.

An excellent point, but I cannot say what this genie will do now that it is out of the bottle. One would hope that the morality based CB would be tempered by the community at large, as the abuse of a crusader bloc for personal gain would only galvanize the rest of the world against the abusers.

An excellent essay with just the right amount of controversy and ambiguity to spark a lively and spirited debate. Well done Toku! Regardless of the stances of the "one bloc oppressing us all", the No U!-isms, bandwagoneers, et al it is still obvious that the status quo that is in the process of being toppled took quite a long time to make the transition from conquest to consolidation to oppression to downfall and any group or bloc that may rise and fill the void will take time and several wars to get near that position of power with a history of abuse that brought Karma together in the first place. I have no doubt that there will be more villainy, tyranny and outright lustful power grabs that stem from this war. Eventually some of the members of the "Crusade Alliances" may even turn to those tactics that they abhor and I sincerely hope that never happens. In the short term I see this as very unlikely, however, in fact the ultimate direction of individual alliances and the various bloc/groups is far too much open conjecture at this point. The only thing I do see happening from the OP's various categories of alliances is sowing of the seeds for the next several conflicts that will be used to start us on the path towards the next dominant power structure and many micro-alliances being formed with high hopes for success and growth that, unfortunately, only a lucky few will attain.

This makes me want to kick some puppies. o/ MHA o/ FAN ps. little did I think that I'd ever hail FAN

Congrats to the new lineup, may your term prove successful for Olympus and Purple.

The decision to disband Terra Prime was less due to external pressures and more to do with the inability to maintain a cohesive structure between government and membership, doing so at the negotiation table was a choice I was not consulted on nor was it my place to be a part of that decision. I do agree that no one can truly force disbandment on an alliance and that it is mostly an internal decision that leads to that particular outcome.

Congrats on peace for Valhalla, the terms were very generous and well written.

Congrats on peace. Good form on the terms.

My experiences have shown that new nation rulers are intimidated by the sheer volume of reading that is required to keep abreast of current events and being "spoon fed" is so much easier.

Goodbye Soldier, you will be missed.

Congratulations on peace with reasonable terms; VE, Aztec bloc and ARES have shown commensurate skill both in battle and diplomacy. edit: Grammar

Isn't this one of the core complaints that got Karma rolling in the first place? I concur that these terms are far from the crippling reparations we have seen in the past, but the whole "spoils of war" concept is a little incongruent with the justifications for this war on the side that the victors of this conflict have chosen.

By now it is evident by the actions taken by individuals and alliances on the side of Karma whether they are speaking from the heart or merely lip-synching the sentiments that issued at the start of this great conflict. The score cards are almost tallied and there will be gracious losers, tyrannical winners and everything in between. From there we can plan the next big war based who did what to someone else ad infinitum. Until then

Congratulations to all involved in brokering this peace. o/ mhawk o/ TPF I have a new and profound respect for the New Sith Order, the Imperium of Man and The Galactic Republic in their handling of this matter. Your rich legacy has been infused with a new depth of compassion and glory, may the entire planet take note of this historic moment.

And I apologize for my remark casting aspersions on CTB's character.

As former MoIA for Terra Prime I can say that the main force that disbanded the alliance was Ennui and the following is my personal opinion and observations. The highest membership mark that Terra Prime hit was 74 nations and just shy of 700,000 NS. The rush to grow had over extended the capabilities and cohesiveness of the alliance as a whole. The gains that we made were ephemeral when this war showed everyone that such gains mean little if they are not consolidated and managed properly. Our top 4 nations handed out over $100 million in less than 9 weeks to help our young nations grow, but it meant nothing in the end. After two mergers in 3 months and a turnover of no less than 6 key government members and the loss of 20% of the total merged members by the start of this year the internal communications between the general membership and government members was far from smooth, effective and responsive. Several avenues were being pursued to increase alliance participation and activity when it became obvious that this war would be fought soon. While preparing for this war, with Septer doing double duty as the head of TP and MoD mind you, the membership was told that war was coming. In the 48 hours prior to issuing our joint DoW the government again messaged the membership to be ready for war. Out of the 50 members we had a few that either communicated their disagreement with any CB we may have had, resulting in either that member leaving or entering peace mode; a few stated that they were not able to be available to attack immediately and would follow in behind the initial attacks. The rest gave no indication that there was any reason they would not carry out instructions. In the first 12 hours of our DoW only 6 nations out of 48 had attacked our enemies, 14 in the first 24 hours and no more than 30 members participated in TP's war. By day 3 of the war we had 3 nations who did not participate in attacks leave without any word. At this time TSI and TP brokered a white peace with White Tree, also 1 PC nation and 1 IS nation declared on 2 TP nations. When CCC brokered peace the impression was that this covered all opponents from our DoW, a little over 48 hours later the situation was clarified that this only involved CCC not TFO, although the IS nation did agree to declare peace in their individual battle in which no shots were fired. At this point both the general membership and individuals involved in government fractured in their opinions as to pursuing a course towards peace or war, Septer did his best to hold things together when he came to the negotiation table but it was already too late. He was tired and frustrated that the alliance he willed into existence and had kept together for over 9 months had fallen apart. I do not blame our members nor Septer nor my fellow government members. Our opponents do not deserve most of the comments made here either and the Karma movement played no part in our demise. As I stated earlier: this was a "general confluence of events". TFO did not force TP to disband, for the body of TP was already in the grave. They merely chiseled the date in our headstone and threw some dirt over us all. Edit: Corrected some figures for inaccuracies and added content in summation

Stare at it long enough and then look at a blank white wall and you'll see the hidden meaning SPA has chosen wisely, bon chance!

Sorry to see you go, I didn't get the chance to know you guys. Good luck in the future. You have brightened my day.

This is speculation on your part, you have had no interaction with Terra Prime before this discussion and had you taken the time to get to know us you would understand how offensive that speculation is to the former membership as a whole. It's a conspiracy. A bunch of people who have nothing in common save a few treaties and a long history of good relations with this former alliance have planned for months on end to ensure that the timing was right for them to make this a PR coup. There is no chance that these people are merely shocked to find out one of their friends had more problems than they knew about. This is a good, basic piece of advice. When I want the straight and unbiased truth I head straight to CTB. I'm glad that you're amused. Terra Prime's disbandment is not the poster child for proof of Karma's hypocrisy and using our name to advance your agenda is disrespectful to this dead alliance and the good name it once had.

You fought well and have done what is both honorable and best for your members as a whole. o/ TSI