[Ivan Moldavi's Facebook . . .]

Just to clarify, I've logged into that account all of 10 times in the past 3 years, so DON'T PANIC I didn't save all your photos to my HDD. And the only guy I ever talked to using it was that sap Thaksin Sinawatra.

[CN Talkshow Return?]

I loved your show and would welcome a return. Podcast would be great if you're furnishing the pods because I haven't got one hurfdurf because the only thing I disliked was the timeslot ($@! late PM to $@! early AM EST). I am probably up there with kingzog in the "not interesting enough to be a guest anymore" category but if you need a Storytellers segment we're your men.

[The Aliens Are Coming! Well no....not really....]

Putting doughnuts in the refrigerator is criminal, it hardens the cake. That is more important than alien discussions.

Mahomet isn't coming back for anyone; he was a merchant who noticed that legitimate faiths could amass wealth, and won his gamble that fake ones can, too. Second most important.

The only alien anyone is ever going to have to worry about is carrying a leafblower and hanging out at the far end of the hardware store's parking lot with about 16 more aliens.

And one more observation: The nutters who believe Earth was seeded by aliens get all the benefits of religion with none of the responsibilities. Awful self-serving.

[A Pacifican Salute]

Everybody had a year to think about things. Some people didn't use it.

[I Have Now Seen It All]

Cars and I have a perilous relationship. I've been driving for 9 years; I've been in 9 accidents, but only 2 were my fault. When I'm driving, cars are attracted to my car like some Stephen King novel. They just fly and slam into me. I was once hit 3 times in 8 days. It hasn't made me paranoid, but it's made me very quick to notice other peoples' idiocy behind the wheel. Lately it's all these jackasses with headphones in, I can't stand it!

A man once t-boned me FROM BEHIND by trying to go around me on my left side as I made a left turn. He was some non-speaking Asian guy rushing home bc he left his 5-yr-old home alone to go pick his wife up from the hospital.

As I was driving in the far left lane of a three-lane road an old lady turned onto the road and came across two perfectly good lanes to t-bone me, I had my horn blaring the whole time bc I saw it coming. The cop left me in the median during rush hour, he starts pulling off and I'm like hey can you call someone for me, he says "There's plenty of businesses on this street. I could understand if the accident was my fault, but it wasn't, and this was the beginning of my belief that all pigs can die in a fire.

A Brazilian immigrant did a u-turn from the oncoming lane of a divided rural highway just inches in front of me, cleared me, then swerved back in front of me and smashed my right front panel. She got out of the car and asked "dint yoo see my sine-all" When I figured out what she meant I told her in the goddamned USA signals don't excuse bumpercars. Her pastor comes onto the road (we were near her church) and tries to get me to not call the cops and I told him if he was so worried about it then he could go get $1000 out of the offering or shut up. He was scruffy, wearing saggy jeans and a faded polo, and had sunglasses over the back of his neck and kept calling me "man."

A man honked at me because I didn't pull off from a left turn lane stop light fast enough to suit him (I always look even when it turns green bc of my bad luck) so I sat and counted to 3, started turning, only to find he had gone around me on the left side. He had to decide between hitting oncoming traffic or me, he picked me. He died a year later in another car accident--he had road rage issues that nature sorted out.

A kid in a parking lot was about to pull out in front of me and cause me to hit him, so I honked and slowed down, then he stopped so I started going, but then he started going again and I stopped, then he stopped, then I started going again and he started pulling out again so I just ran into his back driver-side door knowing he would be faulted and it wouldn't hurt my Jeep, and this young driver would learn a valuable lesson. We go to the phone at my store nearby so he can call his dad, and his buddy starts with the "you could have stopped." So I asked the kid if the second kid was his friend, he says "yeah" then I tell him maybe a friend should keep his mouth shut right now since I was being so nice about not calling the cops, and he yells "yeah shut up!" at the guy.

One day this girl whips into a sidestreet in front of me, then comes wheeling right back out (she was trying to turn around in the middle of the road) in one fluid motion, so I smashed right into the side of her banana-yellow 1970-something shoebox-size Nissan with my 89 Cherokee. My headlight went through her driver-side window and I could've flashblinded her if I had turned on my lights--that's how close. I get out, she climbs out the passenger side, I ask her if she's ok and she says "I'm fine HOW FAST WERE YOU GOING?!!!!!!" and gets this nasty look on her face. I started laughing and told her for all I cared I was going mach 5, the accident was her fault. She tried to argue with the cop when he got there, he told her to shut her stupid mouth.

The other 3 or 4 were more mundane.

[Death, Death and More Death....And a Party]

Don't feel bad for me. Death doesn't bother me at all, whether it's someone else's or the prospect of my own.

Hmmm....I think you've inspired my next blog post.

Wherein Kingzog effects a murder-suicide, and is not bothered.

[Across the reaches of time]

Anybody know whatever happened to Junka?

[Question for Ex-Vox People: Why'd you sign up?]

Yeah, file "let's let Dopp in here" under Things We Knew Better Than To Do.

[21:55] <Doppelganger> I'm not logging

L.O.L.

[Question for Ex-Vox People: Why'd you sign up?]

Blast from the past.

I deleted along with Doitzel, Starfox and others on Manic Monday. I had been kicked out of TOP and they wanted 1,600 tech before I could join another alliance, I had spent a year as a Hidden GOONS but GOONS had just disbanded, so all things considered I said "screw it" and quit.

Of course, an awesome war started like a week later.

So, I created a nation so that I could have posting abilities and throw a fit all over the forums during the war. But then Starfox tells me he's reforming Vox Populi (Vox had previously been a standard alliance which was disbanded by Slayer99) and that a bunch of megatrolls were going to use it as a vehicle to rip on anything and everything. I was definitely down for that, so, I joined.

A lot of people think that we were this super-organized group that had been plotting for weeks or months. Some people went so far as to claim that the Manic Monday quits were even part of the plan. Furthest thing from the truth, and I think that's one reason it is so special and singular in history.

Went digging, here's the first several hours of Vox Populi for those who are interested. It's basically a bunch of people being more excited than anyone will ever be again. (I had to strip out a lot of emoticons because of emote limitations.)

Session Start: Wed Aug 13 21:22:36 2008

Session Ident: #vox_private

[21:22] * Now talking in #vox_private

[21:22] * Topic is '<Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read? | As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free!'

[21:22] * Set by Doitzel on Wed Aug 13 04:57:54

[21:22] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> o/

[21:22] <Starfox[Vox]> Then post later

[21:22] <Moridin> welcome Schattenmann

[21:22] <Starfox[Vox]> Hey Schatt

[21:22] <Schattenmann>

[21:22] <MegaAros[Vox]> Alright!

[21:22] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Hello Schattenman

[21:22] <Starfox[Vox]> You want in?

[21:23] <Starfox[Vox]> We're about to announce

[21:23] <MegaAros[Vox]> You'd better want in.

[21:23] * Moridin sets mode: +ooo Cheyenne[Vox] Kassad Schattenmann

[21:23] <Rebel_Virginia> Hey Schattenmann

[21:23] <Schattenmann> Hey RV

[21:23] <Schattenmann> Yeah sure

[21:23] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Also, Doitzel, you aren't allowed to ever mention how I stay around after qutting ever again.

[21:23] <Cheyenne[Vox]> lol

[21:23] <Starfox[Vox]> Yeah I cant either

[21:23] <Moridin> lol

[21:23] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:24] <Rebel_Virginia> lol

[21:24] <Starfox[Vox]> I would be gone were it not for this war

[21:24] <Schattenmann> Yeah Doitzel way to lead me on you ponce

[21:24] <Moridin> I never mentioned it, but I sure as hell thought it

[21:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> I did too.

[21:24] <Starfox[Vox]> Pick a target

[21:24] <Starfox[Vox]> GGA

[21:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> Woo!

[21:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> I got mine!

[21:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> XD

[21:25] <Moridin> Might it not be better to actually strike at update?

[21:25] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I already am at war with one!

[21:25] <Moridin> We can declare now

[21:25] <Doitzel> >_>

[21:25] <Starfox[Vox]> Doesn't matter

[21:25] <Kassad> Well, everyone. Here's to unplugging the dams clogging people's minds.

[21:25] <Starfox[Vox]> We're hitting noobs

[21:25] <Moridin> we can also see if they attack us before update

[21:25] <Starfox[Vox]> Indeed, Kassad

[21:25] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Yeah, this'll be mindblowing.

[21:25] <Rebel_Virginia> Indeed.

[21:25] <Moridin> oh, you guys are

[21:25] <Moridin> that's right

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> Right, those noobs have idea what's going on.

[21:25] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Doitzel, Starfox and RV are opposing NPO.

[21:25] <Cheyenne[Vox]> OMG!

[21:25] <Cheyenne[Vox]> lol

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:25] <Kassad> And me. And I'm still NPO. xD

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> I am too!

[21:25] <Rebel_Virginia> You know what the consequences of this will be, right everyone?

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> Don't forget me...

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> guys...

[21:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:26] <MegaAros[Vox]> Oh yea.

[21:26] <Rebel_Virginia> Good.

[21:26] <Rebel_Virginia> You Cheyenne[Vox]?

[21:26] <Schattenmann> <Rebel_Virginia> You know what the consequences of this will be, right everyone? <---Uh, that I delete again as soon as the war is over?

[21:26] <MegaAros[Vox]> I plan to just fransjosef at the end of all of this.

[21:26] <Kassad> The infrastructure they damage will be nothing like the alliance they've destroyed.

[21:26] <Starfox[Vox]> Perma Zi

[21:26] <MegaAros[Vox]> True that.

[21:26] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I plan to [redacted due to rules].

[21:26] <Cheyenne[Vox]> What about me?

[21:26] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Until [redacted due to rules] opens.

[21:26] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:26] <Moridin> lol

[21:26] <Jonathan_Brookbank> And then quit.

[21:26] <Schattenmann> ^

[21:26] <Rebel_Virginia> LOL

[21:26] <Moridin> get those 9 line sigs!

[21:26] <Rebel_Virginia> lol bakunin

[21:26] <Kassad> Dude, !@#$%* will be awesome.

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Needs moar less sig.

[21:27] <Schattenmann> LOL Bakunin

[21:27] <Doitzel> what, I'll get pemra-ZI'd?!

[21:27] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:27] <Rebel_Virginia> Well then, let's do this.

[21:27] <Doitzel> well I'm out

[21:27] <Doitzel> screw that!

[21:27] <Rebel_Virginia> lol

[21:27] <Moridin> What about Bakunin?

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> If I was worried about my pixels, I wouldn't be at war right now.

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Especially considering I'm worse at war than MCXA.

[21:27] <Starfox[Vox]> Chey

[21:27] <MegaAros[Vox]> Here, here.

[21:27] <Starfox[Vox]> Get a V avatar

[21:27] <Starfox[Vox]> You as well, Schatt

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> ?

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> >_>

[21:27] <Kassad> Oh, you're doing V avatars?

[21:27] <Jonathan_Brookbank> What's your current avatar?

[21:27] <Cheyenne[Vox]> JR is not amused.

[21:27] <MegaAros[Vox]> Yea.

[21:27] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I'll add a V to it

[21:28] <Schattenmann> <Moridin> What about Bakunin? 9-line sig

[21:28] <Kassad> I have the cover of Atlas Shrugged set. >_>

[21:28] <Moridin> ah

[21:28] <Moridin> lol

[21:28] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Gimme a sec to get V

[21:28] <Doitzel> I have Oscar Wilde

[21:28] <Kassad> The official Rebel Randroid.

[21:28] <Doitzel> >_>

[21:28] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Just give me your current and I will add the V, Cheyenne[Vox].

[21:28] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Actually

[21:28] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Sweet

[21:29] <Cheyenne[Vox]> http://www.music-videos.duncans.tv/images/Johnny-Cash-Hurt.jpg

[21:29] * Rebel_Virginia is now known as Rebel_Virginia[Vox]

[21:29] * Schattenmann is now known as SchattenEssen

[21:29] * Cheyenne[Vox] is now known as Cheyenne

[21:29] <SchattenEssen> When are you announcing?

[21:29] <Kassad> I hope you guys are okay with me being here, even though I'm technically not making my stand just yet, I expect to do so very soon. I want to make an impact in the Order.

[21:29] * Cheyenne is now known as Cheyenne[Vox]

[21:29] <Moridin> fair enough

[21:29] <MegaAros[Vox]> Good enough.

[21:29] <Starfox[Vox]> Soon, Schatt

[21:29] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Kassad

[21:29] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I understand.

[21:29] <Moridin> I'll put the tag on once announcement goes out..

[21:29] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Make as much of an impact as you can.

[21:30] <Kassad> I'll try. One of those times I just wish Franco were here.

[21:30] <Jonathan_Brookbank> http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o39/Jonathan_Brookbank/VChey.png

[21:31] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Anyone else need one?

[21:31] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Or want a copy of that sig?

[21:31] <Starfox[Vox]> I'm posting it

[21:31] <Starfox[Vox]> Ready?

[21:31] <MegaAros[Vox]> Ready!

[21:31] <Star> nooo

[21:31] <Star> lol

[21:31] <Moridin> Ready

[21:31] <Kassad> Star, god damnit. lol

[21:31] <Star> 2 mins.

[21:31] <Moridin> you can declare later Star

[21:31] <Starfox[Vox]> damn star

[21:31] <Star> 2 mins. <<<

[21:32] <Moridin> bah

[21:32] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:32] <Cheyenne[Vox]> POST NOW.

[21:33] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Aye.

[21:33] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> So, SchattenEssen

[21:33] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> You in?

[21:33] <Moridin> He's eating

[21:33] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:33] <Starfox[Vox]> He is

[21:33] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Cool.

[21:33] <Starfox[Vox]> any small nations need soldiers?

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]> M

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]> ME

[21:33] <Star> ready

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I think I have 0.

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]> OR something like that.

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]>

[21:33] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:33] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Announce

[21:34] <MegaAros[Vox]> Alright, lets do this!

[21:34] <Starfox[Vox]> ok

[21:34] <Starfox[Vox]> lemme send 2k

[21:34] <Kassad> LEEEROYYY. JENKIINNNNSS.

[21:34] <Cheyenne[Vox]> For what it's worth, I'll just lose them again.

[21:34] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I fail at war, and all ingame CN goings on.

[21:34] <Star> lol, I am awesome at war

[21:34] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:34] <Starfox[Vox]> meh

[21:34] <Star> but not at like 5 NS.

[21:34] <Doitzel> I'm horrible at war

[21:34] <MegaAros[Vox]>

[21:34] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I'm pretty good at war.

[21:34] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I think I once got to 6k

[21:34] <MegaAros[Vox]> I'm good.

[21:34] <Starfox[Vox]> sent chey

[21:34] <Doitzel> DEFCON4 DOITZEL

[21:34] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Between now and may 06

[21:34] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Thanks

[21:34] <Starfox[Vox]> accept so i can rebuy

[21:34] <Star> wait wait - everyone got stuff typed up?

[21:35] <Star> what they are going to say?

[21:35] <Doitzel> I have nothing

[21:35] <Doitzel> lol

[21:35] <Kassad> Moo just came back from away. Do it now, he'll want to see this.

[21:35] <Starfox[Vox]> heh

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> I have nothing.

[21:35] <Star> I am just going to hail mindlessly

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:35] <Star> wait wait

[21:35] <Cheyenne[Vox]> approved

[21:35] <Star> everyone quote bob sanders

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> That was my plan.

[21:35] <Star> everyone quote bob sanders <<<

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> LOL

[21:35] <Star> who has nothing

[21:35] <Kassad> I have like, four Ayn Rand quotes in my rant.

[21:35] <Star> if you got something to say, just say that

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> Nice.

[21:35] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I'll write mine later.

[21:35] <Kassad> And a line from a Gorillaz song.

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:35] <MegaAros[Vox]> I do enjoy the Gorillaz.

[21:36] <Kassad> Their D-Sides album is amazing.

[21:36] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Sorry about not talking. Still reading through all of this...

[21:36] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Packing still

[21:36] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> kinda

[21:36] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I might *gasp* quote Honny Cash.

[21:36] <Starfox[Vox]> Ok

[21:36] <Cheyenne[Vox]> *Johnny

[21:36] <Starfox[Vox]> I'm posting

[21:36] <Cheyenne[Vox]> LINK

[21:36] <Kassad> Link when done.

[21:36] <MegaAros[Vox]> Indeed.

[21:36] <Moridin> I'm hitting F5 repeatedly

[21:36] <Starfox[Vox]> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=30981

[21:37] <Star> posted

[21:37] <Kassad> lol at V quotes.

[21:37] * Moridin is now known as Moridin[Vox]

[21:37] <Cheyenne[Vox]> SECOND!

[21:37] <Moridin[Vox]> fourth!

[21:37] <Star> image shack is !@#$

[21:37] <Star> need to reupload my sig

[21:37] <MegaAros[Vox]> Made it!

[21:37] <MegaAros[Vox]> Woo!

[21:38] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Cheyenne[Vox], better change yours before you get reported.

[21:38] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:38] <Doitzel> omg thank you RV

[21:38] <Doitzel> I needed that trade

[21:39] <Star> RV got trades?

[21:39] <Star> I need trades..

[21:39] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:39] <Star> also uploaded damn sig to my own server

[21:40] <Starfox[Vox]> Many of your soldiers lives were lost in this battle, even more than your enemy, but at the end of the battle your army was victorious. In your victory your forces captured 1.843 miles of land from scotlandiom. They also destroyed 20.032 infrastructure within scotlandiom. There was no technology stolen in this battle. The value of your equipment abandoned in the battle was $0.00. Your forces looted $253,414.11 from the nati

[21:40] <Starfox[Vox]> Government Type:

[21:40] <Starfox[Vox]> [Anarchy]

[21:40] <Starfox[Vox]> - Anarchy

[21:40] <Star> lol people are hailing us

[21:40] <Jonathan_Brookbank> away_srqt[PG13], what happened to PG13?

[21:40] <Starfox[Vox]> i win

[21:40] <Star> lol people are hailing us <<

[21:41] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:42] * Cheyenne[Vox] is now known as Cheyenne

[21:42] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> lol at Androflmeda tell us we'll get owned.

[21:42] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:42] <MegaAros[Vox]> I saw that too.

[21:42] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Star

[21:42] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I got lumber sugar/

[21:42] * Cheyenne is now known as Cheyenne[Vox]

[21:42] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I'll take anything.

[21:42] <Star> awesome, will offer in a sec. i got cattle and pig

[21:42] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> So, anybody, should I maybe try to get FAN to help $%&@ up their lower ranks with us?

[21:42] <Star> I could find good trades but I am lazy

[21:43] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Cheyenne[Vox]> Dear Mr. Grey, Statesman28, and honourable members of Andromeda and their respective (if not respected) allies:

[21:43] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Cheyenne[Vox]> Go $%&@ yourselves.

[21:43] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Cheyenne[Vox]> Good night.

[21:43] <Moridin[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> lol at Androflmeda tell us we'll get owned. /// I responded

[21:43] <Doitzel> lol

[21:43] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:43] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> lol

[21:43] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Nice one Mori.

[21:44] <Starfox[Vox]> We may have grown apart since the cancellation of our treaty, but not publicly insulting us would be appreciated. Thanks.

[21:44] <Starfox[Vox]> lmao

[21:44] <Star> lol

[21:44] <Cheyenne[Vox]> * You were kicked from #Andromeda by statesman28 (you're a !@#$)

[21:44] <Starfox[Vox]> <Steodonn> Any Vox nations want 3mil my last aid slot. I have this epic warchest yet I can only hold so many troops

[21:44] <Kassad> LOL

[21:44] <Moridin[Vox]> <Steodonn> Any Vox nations want 3mil my last aid slot. I have this epic warchest yet I can only hold so many troops

[21:44] <SchattenEssen> Meeeeee

[21:45] <Kassad> Doitzel?

[21:45] <Star> I'll take it..

[21:45] <Star> lol

[21:45] <Star> but Schatten said it first

[21:45] <Kassad> Does anyone object to the presence of Doppelganger?

[21:45] <Doitzel> wha?

[21:45] <Doitzel> Dopp is ma homie

[21:45] <Moridin[Vox]> Doppel's awesome

[21:45] <Kassad> Invite him in.

[21:45] <MegaAros[Vox]> That works.

[21:45] <Star> I don't know...

[21:45] <Star> He's NPO to the last.

[21:45] <MegaAros[Vox]> He was quick to go back to them.

[21:45] <Starfox[Vox]> <banned member> HAIL! o/

[21:45] <Starfox[Vox]> <banned member> you can add banned member to the list

[21:45] <Starfox[Vox]> <banned member>

[21:45] <Doitzel> no he's not, trust me

[21:45] <Doitzel> lol

[21:45] <Star> ya right lol

[21:46] <Kassad> I promise you, he is not.

[21:46] <Starfox[Vox]> Dopp is fine by me

[21:46] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Doppel is Moo loyalist lol

[21:46] <Starfox[Vox]> If he's fine by you

[21:46] <Kassad> Me and him have been !@#$@#$ with NPO government for a month now.

[21:46] <Kassad> No, he isn't.

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <&statesman28> im the real badass part of andromeda

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Andromeda has a badass part?

[21:46] <Star> Ok, if you want to, it's cool.

[21:46] * Cheyenne[Vox] was using sarcasm. Opposite of what's true for comedic effect.

[21:46] <SchattenEssen> What about KingZog, he's bored

[21:46] <Star> Not like anything secret goes on here

[21:46] <Kassad> I promise you. We've been saying what an insult he is to Francoism in the last two months.

[21:46] <Kassad> Doitzel, invite him in.

[21:46] * SchattenEssen is now known as Schattenmann[Vox]

[21:46] * Star is now known as Star[Vox]

[21:46] <MegaAros[Vox]> I trust him I suppose.

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Michael_Scott> Whats your IRC chan? XD

[21:46] -frozen.coldfront.net:@#vox_private- Doitzel invited Doppelganger into the channel.

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> #vox_populi

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Michael_Scott> FYI, Im joining you monday

[21:46] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Awesome.

[21:47] <Starfox[Vox]> oh, cool

[21:47] <Starfox[Vox]> This is what I hoped

[21:47] * Doppelganger has joined #vox_private

[21:47] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> King Zog was telling me about how he was going to sell infra and tear their middle ranks apart.

[21:47] <Star[Vox]> k, for those of us retarded, who is Michael Scott?

[21:47] <Starfox[Vox]> Hello Doppel.

[21:47] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Some guy.

[21:47] <Doppelganger> Sup

[21:47] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Hey Dopp.

[21:47] <Starfox[Vox]> Michael Scott? Co-Pres of Guns of Glory during GW3

[21:47] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Michael is an ex-CIS duder

[21:48] <MegaAros[Vox]> Sup Dopple.

[21:48] <Doppelganger> lol, thats Sanders quote

[21:48] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Pheo> Your all true pillars of the community.

[21:48] <Doppelganger> sup

[21:48] <Star[Vox]> trade offered btw RV

[21:48] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Michael Scott is Mum2005

[21:48] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Apparently now I'm a pillar.

[21:48] <Star[Vox]> ah, Mum2005

[21:48] <Jonathan_Brookbank> He's rolling with us as soon as he gets back from vacation.

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <BudLight[LX]> Hey RV

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <BudLight[LX]> You have a minute?

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Sure.

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <BudLight[LX]> I'm trying to secure permission to leave my alliance.

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <BudLight[LX]> Would I be allowed to join the ranks of Vox Populi?

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> You need permission?

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Yes.

[21:48] <Doitzel> I'm giving a FAN nation uranium to nuke NPO

[21:48] <Doitzel> lol

[21:48] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Anyone oject to this avatar? http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff246/cndump/staticGOONS.gif

[21:48] <Cheyenne[Vox]> BudLight idolizes basically everyone in Vox

[21:48] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> lol Doitzel

[21:48] <Starfox[Vox]> Yeah he wanted to fight

[21:48] <Star[Vox]> if I had epilepsy, I might

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[21:49] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Star[Vox]

[21:49] <Starfox[Vox]> Nope it's fine Schatt

[21:49] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:49] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I mean Starfox[Vox]

[21:49] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Lavo wants to talk to you.

[21:49] <Kassad> lol Doitzel.

[21:49] <Starfox[Vox]> Hello Lavo

[21:49] <MegaAros[Vox]> Lavo eh?

[21:49] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[21:49] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> still reading

[21:49] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> but I posted

[21:50] * Moridin[Vox] sets mode: +oo Doppelganger Lavo

[21:50] <MegaAros[Vox]> God we are awesome.

[21:50] <Doitzel> we are so epic it's ridiculous

[21:50] <Doitzel> lol

[21:50] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Tell Lavo to go $%&@ himself.

[21:50] <Cheyenne[Vox]> >_>

[21:50] <Doppelganger> Lavo?

[21:50] <Lavo> Shut it Chey

[21:50] <Lavo> Not Vox, here for SF

[21:50] <Star[Vox]> query him, Lavo.

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Yay

[21:51] <MegaAros[Vox]> Right.

[21:51] <Jonathan_Brookbank> lmao at whoever the $%&@ Lord Valleo is

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I finished reading the last 3 hours of conversation

[21:51] <Star[Vox]> NPOer

[21:51] <Star[Vox]> I think

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Hail Vox

[21:51] <Star[Vox]> I am not reading the thread yet lol

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> We rock

[21:51] <Star[Vox]> too busy trying to find a target

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> viva revolution

[21:51] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> and such

[21:51] <Lavo> I already am Star.

[21:51] <MegaAros[Vox]> Woo!

[21:52] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I need a target

[21:52] <Lavo> Also Doppel, aren't you NPO? O_o

[21:52] <Star[Vox]> k, why join this channel if you're not vox?

[21:52] <Cheyenne[Vox]> http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x126/tylerldavies/Untitled-13.png

[21:52] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> They want us

[21:52] <Lavo> Cause this is the only place SF is in

[21:52] <Lavo> blame RV

[21:52] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:52] <Doppelganger> Yeah, I am

[21:52] <MegaAros[Vox]> Then why are you here?

[21:52] <MegaAros[Vox]> Spy?!

[21:52] <MegaAros[Vox]> Oh noes

[21:52] <MegaAros[Vox]> All our planning

[21:52] <Doppelganger> but, a little unhappy with its current situation

[21:52] <Doppelganger> I'll say

[21:53] <Star[Vox]> DAYS!!

[21:53] <Star[Vox]> hell, years

[21:53] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:53] <Lavo> Not surprised

[21:53] <Star[Vox]> years of planning

[21:53] * Jonathan_Brookbank is now known as Jonathan_Brookbank|VOX

[21:53] <Jonathan_Brookbank|VOX> Whoops

[21:53] <Jonathan_Brookbank|VOX> Need to link this first

[21:53] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> All that planning...

[21:53] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Gone

[21:53] * Jonathan_Brookbank|VOX is now known as Jonathan_Brookbank

[21:53] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> How do I link a nick again?

[21:53] <MegaAros[Vox]> Just dammit.

[21:53] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I need to do it too

[21:53] * Chickenzilla{Vox} is now known as Chickenzilla{NpO}

[21:54] <Cheyenne[Vox]> ./ns link nick

[21:54] <Lavo> ./ns link *Nick8

[21:54] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> SO Doppelganger

[21:54] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> What brings you here?

[21:54] * Chickenzilla{NpO} is now known as Chickenzilla{Vox}

[21:54] * Jonathan_Brookbank is now known as Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox

[21:54] <Doppelganger> curiosity

[21:55] <Doppelganger> I think you know my stance on all this

[21:55] <Star[Vox]> hi Umbrae

[21:55] <Star[Vox]> just in case.

[21:55] <Doppelganger> wut

[21:55] <Doppelganger> lol

[21:55] <Doppelganger> no

[21:55] <Doppelganger> I'm not an Umrae fan

[21:55] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:55] <Moridin[Vox]> <Kahn> btw Vox better not hit low NS Valhalla members so help me God I will go after you instead

[21:55] <Moridin[Vox]> <Kahn> Their last page has SSX written all over it

[21:55] <Star[Vox]> give logs to anyone in NPO, they end up in his hands so I am always safe by just saying hi Umbrae

[21:55] <Doppelganger> I'm not logging

[21:55] <Lavo> lolmoridin

[21:56] <Star[Vox]> cool Dopp

[21:56] <Lavo> Their last page has my dudes written all over them

[21:56] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Dopp is a cool guy.

[21:56] <MegaAros[Vox]> Good.

[21:56] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Believe me.

[21:56] <Cheyenne[Vox]> http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x126/tylerldavies/vladimir.jpg

[21:56] <Lavo> I mean lolkahn

[21:56] <Lavo> XD

[21:56] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:56] <Doppelganger> Doitzel, I hope that FAN nation tends to hit an Officer, at least

[21:56] <Starfox[Vox]> Me and Dopp used to always fight lol

[21:56] <Star[Vox]> my sig is more epic than all of your sigs

[21:56] <Cheyenne[Vox]> No, mine.

[21:56] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7913/highcommandswarguidenewwv2.jpg

[21:56] <Doppelganger> dont think a BR member deserves a nuke, frankly

[21:56] <Kassad> I hope you all trust me in my statement that Doppelganger is a loyal advocate of Francoist thought. He is no supporter of Moo, Umbrae or anyone currently oppressing the Order.

[21:56] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> NPO war guide.

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I believe I should have access to it.

[21:57] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> What about Koona?

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I wrote it after all.

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Koona

[21:57] <MegaAros[Vox]> That's good.

[21:57] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Do you hate him too?

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> $%&@ him.

[21:57] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7913/highcommandswarguidenewwv2.jpg

[21:57] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Post the NPO war guide

[21:57] <Kassad> $%&@ Koona.

[21:57] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> make it public

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Use this guide to fight for what is right.

[21:57] <MegaAros[Vox]> lolKoona.

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Starfox[Vox]

[21:57] <Doppelganger> Koona is a good guy OOC, we differ on IC !@#$ though it seems

[21:57] <Kassad> Ooh, RVs got a spai!

[21:57] <Lavo> awesome RV

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Should I make the guide public.

[21:57] <Lavo> thanks

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Kassad

[21:57] <Star[Vox]> that guide is good, I learned some from it when I joined originally

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Yes I do.

[21:57] <Starfox[Vox]> If you want

[21:57] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I think I will.

[21:57] <Kassad> Good. I'm glad to hear it, honestly.

[21:57] <Lavo> though, getting you under 20% soldiers doesnt anarchy now

[21:58] <Cheyenne[Vox]> RV: Please tell me you didn't write the NPO guide that teaches them all to think they own the world.

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Lavo

[21:58] <Lavo> people*

[21:58] <Kassad> Rape them for everything they're worth. Franco would be ashamed of us.

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> It is a little out of date.

[21:58] <MegaAros[Vox]> Meh.

[21:58] <Lavo> True

[21:58] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> post it anyway

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I blame Umbrae for editing it.

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> But it is still mostly in tact.

[21:58] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Doppelganger

[21:58] <Kassad> It was edited, but I believe it's mostly the same.

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I agree.

[21:58] <Doppelganger> RV

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Koona ain't bad OOC.

[21:58] <Moridin[Vox]> Ooh

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Most of them aren't.

[21:58] <Moridin[Vox]> Dilber posted in the thread

[21:58] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> But IC, you're right.

[21:58] <Kassad> Koona is horrible IC.

[21:59] <Kassad> He's an elitist pig when you question anything.

[21:59] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:59] <Doppelganger> I still think you're a i am lame, Starfox

[21:59] <Doppelganger> ;-)

[21:59] <MegaAros[Vox]> XD

[21:59] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Doitzel, I've just had a thought.

[21:59] <Kassad> But... I thot ArrVee and Doitzll were trtors?

[21:59] <Moridin[Vox]> Food time

[21:59] <Moridin[Vox]> back in a bot

[21:59] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[21:59] <Cheyenne[Vox]> If I'm YOUR prophet, then shouldn't I be predicting this stuff, not you?

[21:59] <Moridin[Vox]> bit

[21:59] <MegaAros[Vox]> Food!

[21:59] <MegaAros[Vox]> At a time like this!

[22:00] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> This is the best alliance to ever exist

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> Did the forums get really laggy for anyone else?

[22:00] <Doitzel> who knows

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> Yes it is.

[22:00] <Doppelganger> anyone know what that NR post meant?

[22:00] <Doppelganger> I was like, uh.....

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> His essay?

[22:00] <Doppelganger> yeah

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> It's like we have to sacrifice to win, or something.

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> Ignore it.

[22:00] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:00] <Doppelganger> I mean, I think the jist was "npo sux" but I dunno

[22:00] <Star[Vox]> seasonsoflove is so nice.

[22:00] <Lavo> RV would agree that the order for attacks should be: CMs, Aircraft, Ground Attacks?

[22:00] <Star[Vox]> in that particular post, anyway.

[22:00] <Kassad> Seasons is a $%&@er.

[22:01] <Doppelganger> I hate that guy

[22:01] <MegaAros[Vox]> Yea, it was NPO sux.

[22:01] <Lavo> Mainly due to the anarchy stuff

[22:01] <Star[Vox]> Lavo - no

[22:01] <MegaAros[Vox]> That too

[22:01] <Kassad> He spouts the party line out his piss hole.

[22:01] <Star[Vox]> it depends on if your target is in anarchy or not

[22:01] <Doppelganger> $@! kissing social climber like 75% of the BR

[22:01] <Lavo> Star, I mean if your target is not in anarchy

[22:01] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:02] <Doitzel> should I let sponge in here? lol

[22:02] <Kassad> Sponge just served Vengashii.

[22:02] <Doitzel> omg ooc attax

[22:02] <Kassad> Just !@#$@#$ owned him.

[22:02] <Doitzel> I know

[22:02] <Schattenmann[Vox]> link?

[22:02] <Schattenmann[Vox]> chan?

[22:02] <Star[Vox]> Lavo - then no. reverse order is correct

[22:02] <Doitzel> in our thread

[22:02] <Star[Vox]> wait

[22:02] <Star[Vox]> if target is not in anarchy

[22:02] <Star[Vox]> and you want to get him, that's the correct order

[22:02] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:02] <Kassad> Top of page 4.

[22:02] <MegaAros[Vox]> Sponge eh?

[22:02] <Star[Vox]> if you want to anarchy, ground attacks first

[22:03] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <statesman28> is by far schat

[22:03] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <statesman28> by far

[22:03] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Pheo> Lol

[22:03] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Cheyenne[Vox]> I don't think Ephie will like that.

[22:03] <Cheyenne[Vox]> <Cheyenne[Vox]> You completely forgot your leader!

[22:03] <Kassad> Veng making fun of you for the V stuff and putting the V on pics. Forgot that Umbrae did that to Sponge's avatar.

[22:03] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> lmfao

[22:03] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[22:03] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> It's cool.

[22:03] <Lavo> Im confused Star

[22:03] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> He can hate all he wants.

[22:03] <Lavo> >_>

[22:03] <Star[Vox]> if you don't want to anarchy, ground attacks first

[22:03] <Star[Vox]> fixed

[22:03] <Star[Vox]> sorry

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Get me a target

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Star

[22:04] <Star[Vox]> I haven't found my own yet

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> want to join my fire team?

[22:04] -subzero.coldfront.net:@#vox_private- Doitzel invited electron_sponge into the channel.

[22:04] <Star[Vox]> too busy reading thread

[22:04] * electron_sponge has joined #vox_private

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> o/

[22:04] * Star[Vox] sets mode: +o electron_sponge

[22:04] <Doitzel> hai baby

[22:04] <MegaAros[Vox]> Sponge

[22:04] -> [electron_sponge] PING

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I'm reading it too

[22:04] <MegaAros[Vox]> Here he is.

[22:04] <Doppelganger> LOL wut

[22:04] <Schattenmann[Vox]> HEy pal

[22:04] <electron_sponge> <Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read?

[22:04] <Doitzel> LOL

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> <Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read?

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> It doesn't get old

[22:04] <Lavo> kk, thanks star

[22:04] <Chickenzilla{Vox}>

[22:04] <Kassad> Doitzel owns Dilber... oh God. It's so beautiful.

[22:04] <electron_sponge> it's really doesn't

[22:04] <MegaAros[Vox]> <Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read?

[22:04] <MegaAros[Vox]> Nope, still fresh.

[22:05] <electron_sponge> Dilber is not especially clever

[22:05] <electron_sponge> he is pretty easy to pwn actually

[22:05] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Hey Sponge.

[22:05] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7913/highcommandswarguidenewwv2.jpg

[22:05] <electron_sponge> sup everyone

[22:05] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Use it for good.

[22:05] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Dilber relies solely on your fear of him, if you're not afraid to reply to his posts, he can't really do anything

[22:05] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Yes, I have a spy in the NPO.

[22:05] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol, I had never noticed that.

[22:05] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:05] <Star[Vox]> there are no clever IOs in NPO

[22:05] <Kassad> Supa Spai.

[22:05] <Star[Vox]> at least in terms of wit

[22:05] <electron_sponge> Bakunin is sharp.

[22:06] <electron_sponge> he's the dangerous one

[22:06] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Hey, it's Sponge.

[22:06] <Star[Vox]> I've never argued with him in public actually - so dunno

[22:06] <Kassad> Hey! Sponge is here!

[22:06] <Starfox[Vox]> Hello Sponge

[22:06] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> I've argued with all of them at once.

[22:06] <electron_sponge> also hello

[22:06] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Which is why I got booted.

[22:06] <Kassad> You have no idea who I am!

[22:06] <MegaAros[Vox]> You people need to notice things faster.

[22:06] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:06] <Star[Vox]> JB - so did I after I left NPO

[22:06] <electron_sponge> I have argued with the whole lot of them

[22:06] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Sponge.

[22:06] <Star[Vox]> but it was short and I got booted too

[22:06] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> That's what first made Random and I friends.

[22:06] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I aviod argueing with Bakunin

[22:06] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> He is way too quick

[22:06] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> I'm going to PM you a chat i had with a friend.

[22:06] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Send it to Grub.

[22:07] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> It's meant for him.

[22:07] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> He queried me to say he appreciated me having the balls to stand up to them.

[22:07] <Star[Vox]> hmm, I am going to have to try Bakunin

[22:07] <Star[Vox]> I had like a 5 hour query with him, but it wasn't arguing

[22:07] <MegaAros[Vox]> Interesting.

[22:07] <electron_sponge> heh, one of those "what are you wearing" queries?

[22:07] <electron_sponge> kekeke

[22:07] <Star[Vox]> lol

[22:07] <Star[Vox]> neh, we were talking about perma-ZI

[22:07] <Kassad> Bakunin is an Anarcho-Communist, thus he can't be too cunning.

[22:08] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:08] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[22:08] <MegaAros[Vox]> I resent that.

[22:08] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> should we get forums?

[22:08] <Cheyenne[Vox]> The Andromeda MoFA wants to be an honourary member, Y/N?

[22:08] <Cheyenne[Vox]> He's a pretty cool guy.

[22:08] <Star[Vox]> hell no

[22:08] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> no

[22:08] <Star[Vox]> hell no

[22:08] <MegaAros[Vox]> N

[22:08] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> they insulted us

[22:08] <Kassad> LOL

[22:08] <MegaAros[Vox]> He joined Grey.

[22:08] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> they ruined our friendship

[22:08] <Doitzel> oh my god it's like !@#$ting on Dilber's face

[22:08] <Doitzel> I love it

[22:08] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:08] <electron_sponge> lol

[22:08] <Starfox[Vox]> andromeda in our membership?

[22:08] <Star[Vox]> also my sig + avatar combo is better than your sig + avatar combo

[22:08] <Starfox[Vox]> ahhhhhhhhahahahaha

[22:09] <Cheyenne[Vox]> I think we should do it simply for the lulz.

[22:09] <Doitzel> RV give me SOPs in #vox_populi

[22:09] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:10] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> This game is so much more fun when you just don't care anymore

[22:10] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Done Doitzel

[22:10] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Chickenzilla{Vox}

[22:10] <Rebel_Virginia[Vox]> Aye.

[22:10] <Cheyenne[Vox]> RV: Can we keep him? Pleeeease?

[22:10] <MegaAros[Vox]> This game is great when you don't care.

[22:10] <MegaAros[Vox]> God.

[22:10] <MegaAros[Vox]> o/ Not caring!

[22:11] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> o/

[22:11] <Starfox[Vox]> SGA-Ford wants to join

[22:11] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:11] <Star[Vox]> no.

[22:12] <Star[Vox]> he's not a very bright one

[22:12] <MegaAros[Vox]> The guy who wanted to reform IAA, and then said it was a joke?

[22:12] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:12] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Our PR will be shot :/

[22:12] <Starfox[Vox]> lol yeah

[22:12] <Starfox[Vox]> true

[22:12] <MegaAros[Vox]> Yep

[22:12] <Cheyenne[Vox]> As opposed to now, when all the big alliances love us.

[22:13] <Star[Vox]> lol.

[22:13] <Star[Vox]> a lot of people love us

[22:13] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> We should get forums

[22:13] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[22:13] <Star[Vox]> the group of people is epic

[22:13] <MegaAros[Vox]> Indeed.

[22:13] <Cheyenne[Vox]> We should get a fan club.

[22:13] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> All known trouble makers and rabble rousers

[22:13] <Cheyenne[Vox]> NPO has GGA, we need one too.

[22:13] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:14] <away_srqt[PG13]> sup bpys

[22:14] <away_srqt[PG13]> *boys

[22:14] <MegaAros[Vox]> Sup.

[22:14] <Star[Vox]> watch your nations guys

[22:14] <MegaAros[Vox]> Go king, go go go.

[22:15] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> away_srqt[PG13], why is PG13 not in this war

[22:15] * Schattenmann[Vox] is now known as Schattenmann

[22:15] <Moridin[Vox]> I spy a Sponge in the channel

[22:15] <Star[Vox]> because TORN sucks

[22:15] <Star[Vox]> and PG13 is a protectorate of TORN

[22:15] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Protectorates are !@#$@#$ ODP for the protected alliance.

[22:15] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> I already had this convo with RAD

[22:15] * Schattenmann is now known as Schattenmann[Vox]

[22:16] <MegaAros[Vox]> Poor RAD.

[22:16] <MegaAros[Vox]> Ah well.

[22:17] <Kassad> Seeing Sponge reminds me that I need to get pissed at Adult Swim for not showing Sealab anymore.

[22:17] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:17] <Kassad> I'm tired of Squidbillies. I want more Aqua Teen/Metalocalypse/Sealab.

[22:17] -subzero.coldfront.net:@#vox_private- Doitzel invited kingzog into the channel.

[22:18] * Lavo has left #vox_private

[22:18] * kingzog has joined #vox_private

[22:18] <MegaAros[Vox]> Kingzog?

[22:18] <MegaAros[Vox]> In my IRC?

[22:18] <kingzog> Shhh.

[22:18] <Kassad> Invite Umbrae into the channel. xD

[22:18] <kingzog> It's not what you think.

[22:18] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:18] <away_srqt[PG13]> Wat to announce my name before I resign as leader of an alliance XD

[22:18] <away_srqt[PG13]> 8way

[22:18] <away_srqt[PG13]> **

[22:19] * Kassad sets mode: +o kingzog

[22:19] <Moridin[Vox]> lol

[22:19] <Moridin[Vox]> Srqt, does the PG13 charter say anythintg about not joining other alliances?

[22:19] <Moridin[Vox]> *anything

[22:19] <MegaAros[Vox]> LOL

[22:20] <kingzog> Not a bad question. Most Charters don't....

[22:20] <MegaAros[Vox]> That would be a funny loophole.

[22:20] <kingzog> Many, anyways....

[22:20] * Rebel_Virginia[Vox] has quit IRC (Ping timeout)

[22:20] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Hey kingzog.

[22:20] <kingzog> Evening, JB.

[22:20] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Been a while since we were in the same alliance.

[22:20] <away_srqt[PG13]> lol Moridin[Vox] technically the charter says what I want it to say

[22:20] <Moridin[Vox]> Well there you go

[22:20] <kingzog> I bring you all greetings from TheraFlu Country.

[22:20] <Moridin[Vox]> What's the conflict?

[22:20] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:20] <away_srqt[PG13]> there is nothing that limits me from ammending it

[22:21] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Are we attacking soon?

[22:21] <Moridin[Vox]> Fire when ready, Chicken

[22:21] <Cheyenne[Vox]> We've been attacking for a while now.

[22:21] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I hit valhalla last night

[22:21] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> NPO attacked me

[22:21] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> DoW them

[22:21] <Star[Vox]> Government Type:

[22:21] <Star[Vox]> [Anarchy]

[22:21] <Star[Vox]> - Anarchy

[22:21] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> !!!

[22:21] <Star[Vox]> lol, I love noobs

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> Can't wait to be down in those strength ranges

[22:22] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> If anyone itc anarchies a GGA nation, query me the link of it.

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> My wonders might shoot up my bills a bit though

[22:22] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> And I'll PM them as soon as I make my nation.

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> And I hate to get rid of them

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> Also

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> If anyone needs aid

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> they need only ask

[22:22] <Moridin[Vox]> I have a 150 mil warchest currently

[22:22] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> <Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read?

[22:22] <kingzog> heh

[22:23] <kingzog> Oh dear....when will that get old?

[22:23] <kingzog> Hopefully not for a while.

[22:23] <Star[Vox]> should I kill another noob?

[22:23] <Kassad> Best CN meme ever.

[22:23] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> We are pro NpO yes?

[22:23] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Not as long as my V sigs are going around

[22:23] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Of course.

[22:23] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Kill GGA

[22:23] <electron_sponge> I am anti NpO

[22:23] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> And then query me names of your anarchied targets.

[22:23] <kingzog> Understandable.

[22:23] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> So I can PM them to get them out of the war.

[22:23] <electron_sponge> lol

[22:23] <electron_sponge> I was just kidding

[22:23] <Kassad> Sponge is teh super traitor.

[22:23] <electron_sponge> I could never go against mah bebbies

[22:23] <Star[Vox]> got to find someone with at least a chance of being active

[22:23] <Kassad> Sponge hates the Order.

[22:23] * kingzog puts Sponge in the 'Neutral' category

[22:23] <away_srqt[PG13]> I eally wish you guys waited like an hour

[22:24] <away_srqt[PG13]> I have so many queries

[22:24] <away_srqt[PG13]> lol

[22:24] <Moridin[Vox]> lol

[22:24] <kingzog> Tell them it's a tragic mistake.

[22:24] <Moridin[Vox]> ^

[22:24] <electron_sponge> if this was an RPG my alignment would be chaotic neutral

[22:24] <Moridin[Vox]> or amend the charter

[22:24] <Moridin[Vox]> either way

[22:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> Yo Jonathan_Brookbank - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=227157

[22:24] <MegaAros[Vox]> One of mine.

[22:24] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Query, or I'll lose it.

[22:24] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> yay

[22:24] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> I attacked one

[22:24] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> I don't have a nation until update.

[22:25] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Sponge

[22:25] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> in case you didn't know

[22:25] <MegaAros[Vox]> Woo!

[22:25] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> thaks for defending me

[22:25] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> If I didn't do that already

[22:25] <kingzog> Oh just kiss him already.

[22:25] <Starfox[Vox]> We're getting alot of support

[22:25] * Chickenzilla{Vox} huggles SF

[22:25] <Star[Vox]> http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=250877&Extended=0 < think I'll pwn this guy at update

[22:25] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> I still wish Sponge would have been Emperor instead of $@! when The Dominion was around.

[22:25] <Star[Vox]> had the audacity to declare on 3 nations

[22:25] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> So that The Dominion would still be around.

[22:25] <Star[Vox]> wait no

[22:25] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> That'd be a chunk out of MA on this side.

[22:25] <Star[Vox]> he's attacking none.

[22:26] <Star[Vox]> damn

[22:26] <Star[Vox]> ghost

[22:26] <Starfox[Vox]> <someguywholeadsanalliance> atarax, sta, bleu are all getting hit before they declare anything

[22:26] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Big surprise

[22:27] <Star[Vox]> found a target, going to get him at update

[22:27] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Gremlins is attacking NpO, NPO is attacking MK

[22:27] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol

[22:27] <MegaAros[Vox]> Great.

[22:27] <Star[Vox]> NPO is attacking MK < called that lol

[22:27] * away_srqt[PG13] is now known as king_Srqt[Vox]

[22:27] <Kassad> I need to know when Pacifica declares so I can get really high.

[22:27] <Kassad> And laugh it up.

[22:27] <Starfox[Vox]> sorry you were away, srqt

[22:27] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> lol

[22:27] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> so

[22:27] <king_Srqt[Vox]> its ok

[22:27] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> anyone weak need targets?

[22:27] <Schattenmann[Vox]> When is OBR declaring - they've got a GR MDP

[22:27] <Doitzel>

[22:27] <Doitzel> Your nation is too new to declare war at this time. Your soldiers need time to train and your economy needs time to adjust to your new government. You may officially begin declaring war on 8/14/2008.

[22:27] <Doitzel> shut

[22:27] <king_Srqt[Vox]> just required more explaining that I expected

[22:27] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Check my nation

[22:27] <Doitzel> !@#$

[22:27] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> get the people I am fighting

[22:28] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Starfox

[22:28] <Chickenzilla{Vox}> Is that confirmed?

[22:29] <Star[Vox]> Doitz - lol

[22:29] <MegaAros[Vox]> I thought the GR treaty with OBR was an ODP.

[22:29] <Star[Vox]> it's ok, that's tomorrow

[22:29] <MegaAros[Vox]> Plus, doesn't the Writ act as a NAP?

[22:30] <Starfox[Vox]> it's from a trusted source

[22:30] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Doitzel, did you just create?

[22:30] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> If so, $%&@.

[22:30] <Jonathan_Brookbank|Vox> Because I will have to wait too

[22:30] <Star[Vox]> oh poop

[22:30] <Star[Vox]> 2 fighters doesn't work with level 1 LOL

[22:30] <Star[Vox]> err, 2 bombers

[22:31] * Disconnected

Session Close: Wed Aug 13 22:31:01 2008

Session Start: Wed Aug 13 23:57:11 2008

Session Ident: #vox_private

[23:57] * Now talking in #vox_private

[23:57] * Topic is '<Bob_Sanders> did you Polar really too stupid to read? | As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free!'

[23:57] * Set by Doitzel on Wed Aug 13 04:57:54

[23:57] * MegaAros[Vox] sets mode: +o Schattenmann[Vox]

[23:57] <Schills> Schattenmann!

[23:57] <Schills> Hiya.

[23:57] <Schattenmann[Vox]> hey

[23:57] <Nintenderek[vox]> Hello

[23:57] <Cheyenne[Vox]> And good old Walfy's applying!

[23:57] <Schills> Your nuclear attack against Heath was a success. Heath lost 37175 defending soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 46.049 miles of land, 57.51 technology, 172.53 infrastructure, and 75% of their aircraft and nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses Heath will experience many days of economic devastation in their nation.

[23:57] <MegaAros[Vox]> o/

[23:57] <Schattenmann[Vox]> Walford?

[23:58] <Kassad> Keep forums private for now.

[23:58] <MegaAros[Vox]> lol he registered.

[23:58] <MegaAros[Vox]> How did he know about them?

[23:58] <Cheyenne[Vox]> Why do we need to keep them private?

[23:58] <Kassad> I meant to ask if we needed to.

[23:58] <Kassad> Replace . with ?

[23:59] <Schills> I'm the biggest nation

[23:59] <Schills>

[23:59] <Cheyenne[Vox]> The forums can go public now, I think.

[23:59] <Cheyenne[Vox]> We have a special mask for members.

Session Close: Thu Aug 14 00:00:00 2008

[Hey there, R&R.]

Forgot to add, call out is ridicuolous anyway, because R&R was allowing IRON nations to ghost them en masse. That's what R&R is doing.

[Hey there, R&R.]

Your "argument" is "hurfdurf I'm in ur wiki interpretin' ur treeteez" You get a response in kind: "hurfdurf, whatcha gonna do about it?" Have you started interpreting the Codex for tomorrow's blog? Gremlins and IRON have been at war for weeks; you know that if they were going to do something about it, it's already been done, or that they're just not going to do something about it. IRON played chicken and ran their hotrod into a brick wall like a bunch of hootin'-hollerin' rednecks on a Saturday night in June. You had your pick of like 400 threads to lay this one down, but, ah! magic! there's nothing to stop you from "repeat blogs."

And, grow up and get over the ad hominem silver bullet (you wish). It doesn't work, especially when it doesn't apply. Your reply was dumb, it overlooked the simple, so-easy-a-toddler-can-do-it format of my reply. Sorry you missed out.

[Hey there, R&R.]

Schattenmann spoke, and lo! it was.

So which AA was I supposed to use in my cute retort, something other than the author's? Let's all put our logic hats on--what, you don't have one? Ok, you can borrow mine.

[Hey there, R&R.]

Hey, there, Invicta:

R&R isn't doing what you want them to do. Going to do something about it?

[A 100% OOC Blast From the Past]

My dad's a mechanical engineer (mostly dealign with Phillip Morris plant layouts in the 70s/80s), and he loves to tell the story of how the US gov got all excited about Chinese prospects, brought all these teams over from China, and how the Chinese went all over all these plants and factories etc with their cameras, got back to China, developed their film, and said "no thanks, we've got what we need."

[An Old Story From Seminary Days]

Speaking of Rabbis, I will say one of the most sad things I ever heard was my Jewish neighbor sort of falteringly say "well, God is . . . just community."

[An Old Story From Seminary Days]

To my great disappointment, I'm among the increasingly unrelgious Americans. I believe it, I know it (more than I believe it, le sigh), I really do my damnedest to live it. I think it boils down to two things: too intelligent, too broken. A couple CNers have been unfortunate enough to catch me diarrhea-mouthed, but stuff has happened in early and recent life to make it too hard.

At the end of the day, though, it's easier than I'm making it. I overthink everything.. Ditto on the "really?" prayers, but mine are more "seriously? fffffffffffffff"

It's so hard to understand all of it but-- goddamnit Zog for making a drunk guy cry.

[This Has Made My Day]

I'm a pretty sad duder bc no one ever used the Vox flag.

[Log Dump, ohhhh yeah]

When I found out that Sponge and DM live in the same area while Sponge was in Vox, I begged him to go take a picture of himself on her front lawn. It would've been the best Vox unconventional tactic ever.

[Log Dump, ohhhh yeah]

"Easter Accords? This sounds really interesting, better get on top of that. I love pictures of chicks, ducklings, and bunnies!"

[Log Dump, ohhhh yeah]

What? Smack talk and i wasnt invited? Im hurt

Also, i can attest to Schattenmann being out of the loop.

With a name like "Easter Accords" can you blame a person for skipping it?

[Log Dump, ohhhh yeah]

I found this exchange particularly humorous since I went from CN supersleuth to "wait, the war ended?"

[Log Dump, ohhhh yeah]

DarkMistress is gone; it's not like anything matters anymore,

[So, Rushsykes]

D: No Maelstrom!

[Schattenmann's Odyssey]

SpacingOutMan,

Well thought out reply but you basically repeated what I said, then applied the opposite conclusion.

I do disagree with the the very fact of your conclusive premise. Primary education is not to make students well-rounded. In elementary school, college isn't even a twinkle in the eye. Sometimes, middle school (junior high) is taken out of the equation and some school systems go from kindergarten to eight grade. The point of pre-high school is to give gradual background on a variety of subjects. The fact is that the amount of information you retain from elementary school is tremendously trimmed down as your get older.

Primary and Secondary schools are designed to produce well-rounded, literate workers/voters. Whether Primary means k-8, K-5, or K-6 and Secondary means 6-8/9-12, 6-12, 6-7/8-12 makes no difference.

You go on to state that high-schoolers take courses in a wide variety of subjects because they may pick a major (therefore field of labor) inside a month once they get to college [so we want them to have a broad experience before making that decision], but then say that college is the place to make well-rounded people. The two conflict. A high-school graduate has taken courses in a wide variety of subjects and is therefore well-rounded, only high-school graduates attend college, so a college student who takes the same courses he took in high school to be well-rounded is not made any more well-rounded. That's the problem.

You go on to argue that it's important for professionals (the production of which used to be the business of colleges) to be well-rounded, and that's why they should take courses outside their majors; for example, an art student taking econ because maybe one day that person will want to open a studio and then they'll need to understand economics); or a teacher taking economics because one day he might open a charter school and need to know how to run it. Again, as graduates of college we know these people are also graduates of high school and are therefore already well-rounded. The idea that a person should be required to take a large portion of courses which maybe someday there is a slight chance he will need or want to know is also absurd; if a person decides to switch fields, logic dictates that he go and be educated in that field, not that he be given a cursory survey of it in college, because--as you pointed out--the retention rate is low to begin with and then you add in the years between a possible field switch. The idea that I should be forced to learn a foreign language because one day I might run across someone who doesn't speak English is laughable; in that scenario, a non-English-speaker in America has not met his obligations, and an English-speaker in France who can't speak French has not met his obligations. Whether I might one day go to Spain and need to order lunch hasn't got anything to do with producing professionals. My school offers an Undertaker Certificate--would you argue that undertakers need to be "well-rounded" and take German because maybe one day they'll need to bury a tourist or maybe one day they'll visit Germany? No, that's stupid.

You say "I believe people should be required to take economics because that is an integral part to our society as a whole; the same goes for civics classes." Again, welcome to Primary and Secondary schools. Once upon a time, kids actually took "Civics" and yes, it's important for citizens to have a basic understanding, but as I said and as reality exists, the education system is set up for that to be handled in the school everyone goes to (primary and secondary) not the school few people go to (college). The relocation of civics and economics to post-secondary school flies in the very face of the education system by concentrating that knowledge in a minority of people, whereas they are democratizing factors that are meant to be taught to the majority.

No. It's simple business. If all the History majors have to take Spanish they subsidize the Spanish dept; and if all the Art majors have to take Economics they subsidize the Business dept; and if all the Business majors have to take Politics they subsidize the History dept.

As far as your breakdown of the sampling of requirements, it's mostly hyperextensions of your stance. As I said, yes, economics shapes history, but I can teach and understand that without taking a course in microeconomics where I'm learning how to calculate profit not how economies effect people. I covered English: we all take English from day 1 of Kindergarten; a person that can't write an essay by the time they've been in school for 13 years needs more than an ENG 101 course, they need a lobotomy. Art history for a history student is fluff--the major movements of art are covered in history classes--this isn't academic, we've all been through school so you know that when you were in 10th grade and studied Western Civ you talked about the Renaissance. The idea that a history student should look favorably on any class as a "GPA booster" is idiotic; if my GPA is fine, I don't need it at all, if it's bad, then I can take it if I want/need to.

The Gentleman's C thing is exactly in line with what I'm saying. To quote you "People would take a wide range of classes outside of their major to broaden their horizons" because they wanted to. There are 50-yr-olds in some of my classes, they're there because they're interested, and that's hugely different than certification in one field being withheld because you didn't study an unrelated field.

[Schattenmann's Odyssey]

When I went and registered for classes again in January the counselor told me I was fmiliar and I told her I ought to be, she'd been registering me for 3 years 4 years ago. So she says well it's great you're back, and I said actually I was dreading every minute of the next 3 years because [everything above] and she says, "Well I really hate that you can't enjoy something you're going to be doing for so long again. Unfortunately it's just not set up to handle accomplished people like you." Oh my God! I could have slammed my head against the corner of her desk to prove a point at that moment. At least she was the only person in the last 8 years that didn't say "Well we want well-rounded students."