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Congrats guys, loving the new theme O/ Mo Fatta!

Rest In Peace o/

LOL, most excellent!

This is going to be good, good luck gentlemen!

Well, this IS amusing. Congrats on peace!

[quote name='Mr Vicarious' timestamp='1340836035' post='2998781'] Courtesy of Arcane: [img]http://i.imgur.com/lVJvF.gif[/img] [/quote] lol, pretty good.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1340803835' post='2998319'] Stuff [/quote] And we would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling Smurfs! Anyway, glad to see this matter resolved

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1340684437' post='2996610'] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOK0Z-N-8Jo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOK0Z-N-8Jo[/url] [/quote] This was pretty awesome, so is the cat one :3

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1340409747' post='2993017'] I think if this apology from the OP had been THE apology, the matter would be settled. [/quote] This is true.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340229871' post='2990615'] You literally just said it would have been possible for LSF to make amends and Opti to remain in the alliance... [/quote] MAYBE if LSF was truly apologetic and did it's best to rectify the situation. Instead: [quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340220163' post='2990399'] [b]You want us to be sorry for what?[/b] A guy got high and had a bit of fun on IRC. Several alliances have seen their members do it in the past, some of them being actually in favor of this new war. I hope that you guys stay on top for a while for your members are keen on doing such shenanigans as well. [b]The LSF, as a whole, wasn't sorry.[/b] We felt it was business between Opti and IRON. We still presented an apology but decided to include a jab in it. [/quote] Yeah...

[quote name='Pacifist Ninja' timestamp='1340228481' post='2990557'] Actually, a huge issue is that IRON absolutely refused to negotiate down the terms at all, and in fact increased the terms in the middle of the negotiation (previously it was just an apology from the imitator, then it was on behalf of all LSF). [/quote] You don't negotiate down reps that are only symbolic to begin with. We upped the ante a bit when instead of working towards a peaceful solution, you continued with your shenanigans.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1340227172' post='2990519'] "recognize what he did, retain him as a member, make ammends for him" [/quote] Actually, that's a third option LSF could have taken

[quote name='Anarquista' timestamp='1340226920' post='2990513'] false dilemma [/quote] Because?

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340220163' post='2990399'] Yes, Opti acted badly. Yes, he should have apologized. He was keen on doing so (I could give logs but who cares, at this point). However, IRON wanted all of LSF to apologize for the actions of a less-than-24-hours member. Fine, we gave them an apology. Was it half-assed? Sure, we took a jab at them when we did it. If war is the new standard for what the enemy perceives to be half-assed apologies, I certainly expect that nobody will be giving any in the future. [/quote] No, no, no. You didn't get declared on because of the half-assed apology. You got declared on, because one of your members impersonated IRON government and attempted to trick our allies into declaring war, and then you, as an alliance, failed to comply with our conditions for settling the issue peacefully. As I said [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111638&view=findpost&p=2989897"]here[/url], we do not care if he was joking or if he was going to rectify the situation later (which i seriously doubt). Such an action will not be tolerated. [quote] You want us to be sorry for what? A guy got high and had a bit of fun on IRC. Several alliances have seen their members do it in the past, some of them being actually in favor of this new war. I hope that you guys stay on top for a while for your members are keen on doing such shenanigans as well. The LSF, as a whole, wasn't sorry. We felt it was business between Opti and IRON. We still presented an apology but decided to include a jab in it.[/quote] Like it or not, you, as an alliance are to a degree responsible for your members' actions. If a member of yours goes and does something really stupid, you will be faced with a decision: you can either stand by him (sanctioning his actions), or you can distance yourself from him. You took your pick, welcome to the consequences. [quote] However, the rest is bollocks. Our admin didn't unmask him in less than 24 hours? That's possible. Opti still left us, left our AA, left our private channel and applied to another AA. I didn't know our internal administration was of such importance to IRON that we had a 24 hours timetable to actually unmask the guy (as a sidenote, that's purely OOC because IC, he clearly left us).[/quote] I guess we'd have to take your word on this. Unfortunately after your actions in the past few days, we have little reason for that. [quote] As for the tech, we tried querying you today. To no avail. Again, I must say, I'm surprised at the short timetable, given that you didn't give us the links (who was supposed to receive the tech was never clear, you first joked that it should be forwarded to NoR). Didn't know that it was a "24 hours or bust" thing, excuse us for only sending you a query today.[/quote] Maybe if you negotiated in good faith, and wasn't hellbent on making the process as difficult for everyone involved as possible, you'd have gotten more than 24 hours. Our patience ran out sooner than you originally expected. [quote] Now, on to those who cheer like IRON is going to stomp us: we're already fully engaged. When we say this war means nothing to us is precisely because we already have all of our slots filled by Nordreich. IRON wants in simply to draw our allies out: fine. It won't happen. And no ammount of ridiculous pressure will make it happen. We're the Left. This isn't the first time we have to fight outnumbered and for long a period of time.[/quote] If we wanted to draw your allies out, we would have said "$%&@ it" and declared right off the bat. Instead we went out of our way to resolve this peacefully. [quote] As a sidenote, IRON, I hope that you'll do better than last war and find a way not to lose 26% of your membership. [/quote] I know it's hard to wrap your mind around this, but we're always happy when an opportunity comes to winnow the chaff. We have no use for deserters, inactives and cowards. when all is said and done, only the truly dedicated remain, and our core grows stronger once more.

Have a happy one TLR!

Shan summed our stance on the matter perfectly, I feel there is little I can add to that. I would just like to reiterate that if you seriously believe we were actually [i]offended[/i] by LSF's toddler antics, then you are in need of a reality check. What LSF does to get their kicks is absolutely no concern of ours. When it does become our concern, is when they decide it would be a good idea to trick our allies into actions that would harm them and, by extension, us. Whether LSF is doing this because they're drunk, joking, high or brain damaged is of no interest to us. Don't do it. Period.

[quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1339852453' post='2985757'] And this is where good propaganda officially dies here folks. [/quote] We're not down to battle reports yet...

Just something done in 2 minutes [img]http://s14.postimage.org/6kkk7tx41/Indian_Woman_Holding_Son.jpg[/img]

Happy birthday [s]fa[/s] friends!

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1339712332' post='2984056'] [img]http://i.imgur.com/MbjNy.png[/img] [/quote] lol'd at this

[quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1339709363' post='2983972'] Rota, you will miss all the present interesting times, laterz. [/quote] She's not leaving

[quote name='RedPhx' timestamp='1339707032' post='2983926'] How about just Mercs for hire war [/quote] Who are the mercs?

So basically you are calling everyone who thinks NoR is in the right here a fascist both IC and OOC? Wow.

[quote name='Auctor' timestamp='1339651485' post='2982993'] LSF has no government! [/quote] It really shows, doesn't it?

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