Master-Debater

This looks good. When things arent there, they just arent there. Gl IRON.

I was wondering when someone might say this. Feel like elaborating?

OK this is pretty awesome. All hail the awesomeness that is Haruhi. Good luck

Now this is how you do things. Im glad that we could get this finished and worked out. You guys are great friends. p/

This is actually pretty sad to see. We had a rough patch with you to start with but past the whole lolsileath thing you guys were a good group. I had hoped you would stick around and grow a bit, but these things happen. Hopefully you can all end up in a good home now.

Ive been the protectorate of a few alliances, comes with the terratory of forming new alliances every year . NAAC was the best IMO. THey were great and went out of their way to help you. THis was AirMe NAAC mind you, way back in the day. Sparta is the best current protector. They help with just about everything you could ever want and are more than willing to help your newbies learn how to play. MCXA wasnt that great. This was hegemony MCXA though and well before the current leadership stepped up to the plate. They seemed to want a puppet more than an ally. This probably has changed by now but Im just saying what I remember of them.

Read the edit Also Probably should be Possibly. Its early for me But yes your scenario is also a possibility. If that was behind their motives it is also possible that they did it so down the road they can say they went out with a fight instead of a puff of smoke. It could have been used as a way to try to save face instead of just be obliterated. Though I have a hard time believing that they would do this. If they figured they were going to die then IMO they would have stayed low for a while and regain allies then make a comeback, not throw their alliance into an unwinnable war. Like I said in my other post to, the war was much closer at the start than people realize. It was only when Karma started to gain alliances that it turned into an unwinnable war for NPO.

This is debatable by many. Yes, there were quite a few alliances already planning the war against the hegemony, and NPO in particular, but there also were a lot of alliances on the fence. Sparta is probably the best known example of an alliance who was planning for the onset of the war and trying to shore up their base of support and gain new allies. Everyone could tell what was coming but it seemed like no one was willing to act on it. It took until OV got a bullet to the head for people to be shocked enough to react to what was going on. To me it seemed like so many were shell shocked to see opposition to NPO and the Hegemony after so long of there being none. NPO possibly was in that same basket of people surprised by the amount of opposition. It had started with VOX but slowly grew to a point where sanctioned alliances, as well as quite a few non sanctioned but respected alliances, were openly critical of NPO, something that hadn’t been seen in a long time. NPO quite possibly have believed that it would only be those alliances fighting, not realizing the huge wave of hate that had built up over time. It also is quite possible that they were believing their own propaganda that said they couldn’t lose and had never lost a war. This could have caused them to charge in thinking they were invincible. Edit: Probably=/= Possibly (Need caffine to think >.>)

Congrats OO. Im sure you guys will do just fine getting to 500K

I know one of the sticking points for some people was “it’s not our fight”. There were people who were saying that OV getting hit had nothing to do with alliance X so why should we fight? It’s a stupid line IMO because once your allies and friends get attacked you need to defend them. Another major argument was so many people I talked to wanted a piece of NPO but couldn’t get it. People spent more time worrying about getting a shot at NPO rather than just getting ready to hit the alliance who became available first. People were looking to find a way to chain treaties to get at the NPO. That hate of NPO was so strong that it actually endangered the war effort for Karma. There were actually quite a few alliances on the fence at the time that the war started. If NPO had handled it differently instead of the “typical NPO way”, as so many say they did, then they quite possibly could have isolated and destroyed the alliances fighting at the outbreak. When TORN wound up posting that NPO left them hanging and word spread around some back channels that pushed many of the mid range alliances over the edge to fight on the KARMA side. At the start of the war things were much better for NPO than I think even they realized. Even once the war began KARMA was very torn as well. Because so many people wanted at NPO the discussion constantly was about what to have NPO surrender with. After a point it became obvious to many that NPO would lose so the focus turned from fighting individual fronts to how should NPO surrender. That was always a major sticking point for some because some alliances fighting with Karma still liked NPO or had treaties with them. Make no mistake; Karma was by no means a unified bloc of alliances. It was constantly in danger of falling apart until the final minute when the surrenders started and were able to leave the war or chose to continue to fight.

The cult is a wise one as always. p/ the cult

Classy show. Good luck to OO and CG through this.

Now this is how you offer support.

Im glad to see this. Invicta you have some great big honor over there. p/

Good luck CG. p/ CG

Oh this makes things just so much better. Thank you PC, thank you so much.

By any chance are you a former leader of GGA? I’m really curious why you would stand by this act of war without stepping back for a second and saying “hmm, maybe IS didn’t do something so great and shouldn’t be given a free pass.” There was no honor and nothing to gain from this action IS committed. How far are you willing to go to give them your support in this?

So RAD supports an agressive war with no valid CB other than wanting tech?

Wow IS great showing. I can tell why so many people respect you and look to you to lead the way.......or something like that.

I always think black cant get any cooler......and then once again I am proven wrong. Oh well, glad to be wrong when it comes to Black. p/ NOIR p/ Black

Congrats OSA. You guys are a very quality alliance that I'm glad to be able to work with. Heres to an even longer existance p/

No trumped up CB? No faked logs? No sudden realization of a PZI? No discovering of a spy? What the hell are you doing VE?! This is clearly not the way to declare a war! This goes against everything that we have been shown and learned over the past year. Anyways, This looks like a pretty clear CB to me. Enjoy VE.

Sad that you lost a good member. ION will continue to be a great alliance though. Good luck without him p/

Hopefully Sorum and tF don’t go back on their word again. Congratulations to FAIL for another victorious war.

Sorum himself admitted to it being because he has something against RV.